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Thursday, April 04, 2024

Former White House officials disagreed with Donald Trump's explanation of how he came to acquire thousands of pages of presidential records, the latest filing by Special Counsel Jack Smith said.

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... Those officials include a former national security adviser and former White House attorneys and chiefs of staff --none of whom said they had any recollection of Trump designating presidential records as personal.

Trump's claim that he designated presidential files as personal before leaving the White House is a fundamental part of his defense in the classified documents case he faces in Florida.

Smith wrote in the filing: "During its exhaustive investigation, the Government interviewed Trump's own PRA [Presidential Records Act] representatives and numerous high-ranking officials from the White House -- Chiefs of Staff, White House Counsel and senior members of the White House Counsel's Office, a National Security Advisor, and senior members of National Security Council.

"Not a single one had heard Trump say that he was designating records as personal or that, at the time he caused the transfer of boxes to Mar-a-Lago, he believed that his removal of records amounted to designating them as personal under the PRA. To the contrary, every witness who was asked this question had never heard such a thing." ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-03 02:16 PM | Reply

no No NO...you don't understand the workings of the very stable jenius....

He declared them personal in HIS MIND.

Bigly.

You ordinary people wouldn't understand.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-03 02:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#2 ... declared them personal in HIS MIND. ...

Thanks for that reminder, I had forgotten that part of fmr Pres Trump's defense.

Former top Pence aide: Trump claim that presidents can declassify docs by thinking about it absurd' (September 2022)
thehill.com

... Former top Pence aide Marc Short on Friday rejected a recent claim from former President Trump that presidents can declassify documents by thinking about it, calling the notion "absurd."

"That's absurd, obviously," Short told CBS News. "I think it would make it very difficult for the intelligence community to have a classification system if that was the case."

Short, who served as chief of staff to former Vice President Pence, added that he and the former vice president did not operate on that standard.

Trump told Fox News host Sean Hannity on Wednesday that presidents can declassify materials simply by "thinking about it."

"There doesn't have to be a process, as I understand it," Trump said. "If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying, It's declassified.' Even by thinking about it." ...


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-03 02:40 PM | Reply

"That's absurd, obviously," Short told CBS News. "I think it would make it very difficult for the intelligence community to have a classification system if that was the case."

Again, limp wrist Mikey Pence doesn't understand true jenius.

Mere mortals are lacking in their creative thought and bothered by things like facts, truth and details.

The very stable jenius is not constrained by such mundane annoyances.

I made them personal in my mind and my mind is the only one that matters.

The rest of the dullards wouldn't understand.

Sincerely

Donald Jenius Rapist.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-03 02:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Another view ...

Prosecutors in Trump's Classified Documents Case Sharply Rebuke Judge's Unusual and 'Flawed' Order
www.military.com

... Federal prosecutors chided the judge presiding over former President Donald Trump's classified documents case in Florida, warning her off potential jury instructions that they said rest on a "fundamentally flawed legal premise."

In an unusual order, U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon had asked prosecutors and defense lawyers to file proposed jury instructions for most of the charges even though it remains unclear when the case might reach trial. She asked the lawyers to respond to competing interpretations of the law that appeared to accept the Republican ex-president's argument that he was entitled under a statute known as the Presidential Records Act to retain the sensitive documents he is now charged with possessing.

The order surprised legal experts and alarmed special counsel Jack Smith's team, which said in a filing late Tuesday that that 1978 law " which requires presidents to return presidential records to the government upon leaving office but permits them to retain purely personal ones " has no relevance in a case concerning highly classified documents.

Those records, prosecutors said, were clearly not personal and there is no evidence Trump ever designated them as such. They said that the suggestion he did so was "invented" only after it became public that he had taken with him to his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, after his presidency boxes of records from the White House and that none of the witnesses they interviewed in the investigation support his argument.

"Not a single one had heard Trump say that he was designating records as personal or that, at the time he caused the transfer of boxes to Mar-a-Lago, he believed that his removal of records amounted to designating them as personal under the PRA," prosecutors wrote. "To the contrary, every witness who was asked this question had never heard such a thing."

Smith's team said that if the judge insists on citing the presidential records law in her jury instructions, she should let the lawyers know as soon as possible so they can appeal.

The filing reflects continued exasperation by prosecutors at Cannon's handling of the case. ...


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-03 03:02 PM | Reply

Update...

Judge Denies Trump's Bid to Claim Secret Documents Were Personal
www.bnnbloomberg.ca

... A federal judge denied Donald Trump's bid to get criminal charges dropped by claiming top secret records found at his Florida home were personal, keeping the criminal case on track and dealing a blow to the former president.

US District Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday refused to dismiss the charges on grounds that Trump's possession of classified materials was covered by the Presidential Records Act, after the special counsel prosecuting the case demanded the judge explain her views on the matter before trial.

Cannon's order appeared to agree with Special Counsel Jack Smith that the charges against Trump " alleging he took highly sensitive documents from the White House after losing the 2020 election " are based on violations of the 1917 Espionage Act.

Smith on Tuesday vented frustration with the judge, after she asked both sides for jury instructions before setting a trial date, saying her understanding of key legal issues appeared to be "fundamentally flawed."

However, Cannon suggested in her order that the argument for relying on the Presidential Records Act may still be a possibility when it comes to writing up instructions for the jury to consider. The judge refused Smith's request that she explicitly say the Presidential Records Act won't come up in her instructions to the jury.

The move represents a significant development in the case because up until this point it has been unclear if Cannon might side with Trump and rule that he was allowed to declare the documents personal under the 1978 law and take them with him to Mar-a-Lago after he left the White House. ...


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not a good week for fmr Pres Trump...

Trump's trio of court losses
www.axios.com

... Three judges this week rejected attempts by former President Trump to toss out or further delay his criminal cases, delivering a blow to the GOP frontrunner barreling closer toward his first criminal trial. ...


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 05:55 PM | Reply

Seems like Loose Cannon has sought out assistance as to how she can subvert this case in favor of the-------------. She's not smart enough to be coming up with this trash herself. She might even be getting direction from Dotard's lawyers on the down-low. You would think she would READ and be familiar with the Presidential Records Act if it's going to be used as a novel defense in a first-of-its-kind case. Instead, she's asked the two sides to do her research, from which she will choose the one she likes better, not the one that follows the damned law.

#8 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-04-04 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#8 ... Seems like Loose Cannon has sought out assistance as to how she can subvert this case in favor of the-------------. She's not smart enough to be coming up with this trash herself. ...

~From what I heard on the various discussion shows~ ... it's complicated.

But before I start, I will say (once again) I am not a lawyer. This legal stuff is foreign to me. I have an electrical engineering degree. Maxwell's equations ( https://www.maxwells-equations.com ) are (or were) my thing. I can explain (and I have here on this most august site) why the door seal on a microwave over is a wave guide beyond cutoff.

That aside, now where was I...

My opinion...

SC Smith's filing was brutally frank. He basically gave Judge Cannon an ultimatum --- rule now or I'm taking this to the Appeals Court, and you know how well you do in the Appeals Court.

Judge Cannon backed down. On this particular item, albeit a very significant item.

That Judge Cannon backed down so quickly tells me that she knows she is playing Trump's puppet in this case and the the Appeals Court would not rule in her favor.

Again, my lay-person opinion on this matter.


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#9

microwave over

- should be -

microwave oven

(I can understand Maxwell's equations, but your basic keyboard still seems to stymie me. :)     )

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 07:26 PM | Reply

LAMP

A simple answer is usually the best answer. Many of us, also not lawyers, have concluded that Judge Cannon is flying without a parachute. She, in fact, appears to be acting as a Trump defense attorney. Or, at least, at their direction. Defense attorneys are expected to be aggressive. Not so court Judges.

My hope is that Special Prosecutor Jack Smith uses the "third time is a charm" to have her removed from the case.

#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-04 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I bet he searched the globe for these witnesses.

How's it possible? To find more than one witness to speak bad about Trump.

Incredible

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-04 09:36 PM | Reply

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@#11 ... My hope is that Special Prosecutor Jack Smith uses the "third time is a charm" to have her removed from the case....

One commentary I heard is that after two or three slap-downs, an Appeals Court may then say that the Judge in question should not continue because of an inability to divorce themself from the prior opinions.

Wishful thinking, or a good analysis? I wish I knew.

That aside, I do note how Judge Cannon seems to have retreated, and significantly, from her prior positions.

Her previously proposed instructions to the jury were crazy...
storage.courtlistener.com (PDF)

... A president has sole authority under the PRA to categorize records as personal or presidential during his/her presidency. Neither a court nor a jury is permitted to make or review such a categorization decision. ...


It is no wonder why SC Smith responded as he did.


I mean, her instructions to the jury would have effectively dismissed the whole case.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-04 09:51 PM | Reply

If Trump appointed Cannon was walking this case any slower she'd be going backwards.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-05 12:44 AM | Reply

#13 | Posted by LampLighter

Reading deeper into the ruling, Smith rightly states that the issue of PRA wasn't even raised until Feb 2022 when Trump was no longer in office. Trump's whole argument is moot anyway. The Espionage Ace covers the topic in total.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-05 03:26 PM | Reply

Reality Winner spent years in prison for taking ONE document ...

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-05 04:37 PM | Reply

It's good to have Democrats in charge on occasion to demonstrate and remind the public just how crooked, sleazy, inefficient and corrupt such government operates. NY, NJ, Illinois, California, Oregon are typical and excellent reminders.

#17 | Posted by Robson at 2024-04-05 08:26 PM | Reply

What's good is having dozens of life-long Republicans and hand-picked Trump Aides who witnessed his crimes testifying against him in Court.

That way we know that these aren't Dems or the DoJ persecuting poor innocent Orange S-Stain.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-05 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#18 | POSTED BY CORKY

You make it sound soooooo simple

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-04-06 12:36 AM | Reply

@#18 ... What's good is having dozens of life-long Republicans and hand-picked Trump Aides who witnessed his crimes testifying against him in Court. ...

Oh, you noticed that also?

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-06 03:46 PM | Reply

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