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Tuesday, April 16, 2024

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the movie set weapons handler who loaded a gun for actor Alec Baldwin before it fired and killed a cinematographer has been sentenced to 18 months in prison.

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Should have been 0 months. Playing with guns has well known consequences and everybody on set participated willingly.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-16 08:19 AM | Reply

"During the trial, prosecutors presented evidence that Gutierrez-Reed had brought a box of live bullets to the New Mexico film set from her California home. They said these live rounds slowly spread throughout the set over the course of 12 days."

Not sure why would she have done that. Unless it truly was an accident, which I find hard to believe since her title was "armorer". You would think she should have been highly trained with firearms and would have taken precautions at every turn to make sure that this didn't happen. I would say this is a horrible accident, but it wasn't. It was a preventable tragedy.

#2 | Posted by byrdman at 2024-04-16 04:17 PM | Reply

Highly trained? You can get a Society of American Fight Directors Theatrical Firearms Safety Certification in 2 days. $400 to tell somebody "Treat every gun like it's loaded and real", their #1 rule.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-16 04:47 PM | Reply

"Should have been 0 months. Playing with guns has well known consequences and everybody on set participated willingly.1 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

What? You have not a clue as to what you write. I work in film on set and as a lighting technician I have absolutely nothing to do with the firearms on the gig. Nor, does the makeup girl or grips or...

#4 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-04-17 12:07 AM | Reply

Not sure why would she have done that.
- byedman

The "manufacturer" ------ up.

She didn't verify.

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-17 12:31 AM | Reply

Playing with guns has well known consequences

It does. Like people playing with guns on a skeet range. Like playing with guns at a pistol range. Like playing with guns in your living room.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-17 01:15 AM | Reply

"Should have been 0 months. Playing with guns has well known consequences and everybody on set participated willingly."

I've heard some serious -----------, but this takes the cake.

Film sets are magnitudes safer than, say, oh, the top 100 areas where guns are used daily. Remember the last time someone died from gunfire on a movie set? DECADES AGO, despite the fact guns are fired on sets every day of every month of every year.

This tragedy happened because not one, but two safeguards FAILED. Both pleaded or were found guilty.

For a REAL comparison: what percentage of gun mishaps in America would happen if they had to pass through TWO safety experts before each firing?

YES, it's effing idiotic the person on the set pulling the trigger isn't the last word, but it's WORLD's better than letting Joe Rando-Extra make the safety call.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-17 01:55 AM | Reply

" 7 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-17 01:55 AM | REPLY"

I've been surprised by this whole thing. I always thought Hollywood had totally safe and real looking fake guns.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-17 03:03 AM | Reply

Not sure why would she have done that.

I thought the crew was playing with the gun after hours.

Not very professional to do.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-17 07:15 AM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-17 01:55 AM | FLAG:

It's funny that it bothers you so much. All you're doing is justifying playing with guns because it's safer than Chiraq.

You're better at marketing firearms than the NRA.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 10:05 AM | Reply

For a REAL comparison

#7 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-17 01:55 AM | FLAG:

It's more like my local gun ranges. Less supervision and still somehow less fatalities than Alec Baldwin has caused.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 10:08 AM | Reply

"All you're doing is justifying playing with guns because it's safer than Chiraq."

Guns don't keep Chicago safe?
That's why Deplorables support the Second Amendment.
They like it when blacks kill each other in Chicago.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-17 10:10 AM | Reply

The lack of common sense on the protocols is still astounding. You really have to sit behind the camera? In 2025 you don't have a little screen you can watch? That's how you get shot in the face if somebody makes a mistake. You can't use an actual prop instead of a real firearm? It's not protocol for experts to remove the firing pins? Seriously, who certifies these people? I've asked that numerous times, where's the course you take to become an armorer?

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 10:10 AM | Reply

Guns don't keep Chicago safe?

#12 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-04-17 10:10 AM | FLAG:

It's all relative. It's safe until the ops come around and you have to defend your drug distribution territory. The trap doesn't secure itself, that takes tools.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 10:12 AM | Reply

" It's more like my local gun ranges. Less supervision and still somehow less fatalities"

Well sure, if you just count one local gun Range. Now take them all, all across the world.

More accidents on average than a movie set, or less?

Movies haven't had one for decades. You can't say the same for a local gun range, except maybe yours.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-17 11:44 AM | Reply

Movies have them all the time, just rarely fatal. John Wick burnt so many extras with gunpowder it's kind of hilarious.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 01:04 PM | Reply

Tom Sizemore simply missed the extra. On a movie where they never needed real ammo. Poor extra dodged a .30-06.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 01:04 PM | Reply

but if i add up all the shots fired at all of the local ranges.. really safe, definitely toe to toe with movie production on injuries and fatalities, probably much better on the injuries/deaths per shot count, but with a completely different type of protocol that shares the same first rule as the Theater crowd.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 01:11 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-04-17 11:44 AM | FLAG:

Seriously, who certifies these people? I've asked that numerous times, where's the course you take to become an armorer?

#13 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2024-04-17 10:10 AM | FLAG:

Still waiting on that one. Who certifies the armorers? How do you know they're an expert? What's the test?

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-17 01:12 PM | Reply

Sit,

"You can get a Society of American Fight Directors Theatrical Firearms Safety Certification in 2 days"

Maybe her job description should have included "scapegoat".

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-17 08:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nah, no way. If you proclaim yourself the expert, and everybody agrees and plays with you, that's not a scapegoat. That's just a bunch of people not checking the receipts.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-18 08:12 AM | Reply

The main azzklown alice ballswine should be the one in jail. Free the babe.

#22 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2024-04-18 08:30 AM | Reply

Sit,

"If you proclaim yourself the expert"

Sounds like the system put the bar so low qualifying as "expert" was too easy.

I don't think they really cared about having true experts in gun handling on set.

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-04-18 11:21 AM | Reply

Sounds like the system put the bar so low qualifying as "expert" was too easy.

Her "expert" qualification was that her dad was an expert.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-18 11:24 AM | Reply

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