Confirmed: ICE Is Arresting US Citizens - and Lying About It

Friday, November 07, 2025

A government that flouts the Fourth Amendment and then lies about it to courts and the people has crossed a moral and legal frontier.

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Ice agents crashing into US citizens then forcibly detaining them. They don't know how to hold guns. They clearly don't have any training. They obviously aren't following the laws. This is embarrassing for our country and dangerous for our citizens.

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More from the cited article ...

... A recent report from ProPublica documents the detentions of some 170 American citizens by Immigration and Customs Enforcement during its anti-immigration operations. But the implications of the report go considerably further, suggesting an agency completely out of control and flouting the Fourth Amendment at every turn.

The report is a harrowing demonstration of ICE overreach. It puts the lie to the declaration of the Department of Homeland Security spokesperson that "we don't arrest U.S. citizens for immigration enforcement." The facts on the ground tell a very different tale.

ProPublica's report chronicled a series of ICE arrests that would be hard to believe if they weren't backed by official complaints and eyewitnesses. ...

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-06 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... Reporting Highlights

Caught in a Wholesale Sweep: Trump's Memphis Safe Task Force promised to focus on violent criminals, but after being stopped for no apparent reason, some Memphians say they don't feel safe.

Pretextual Stops Return: Last year, the DOJ criticized Memphis police for using minor infractions as a pretext to search people for serious crimes. Under Trump's crackdown, it's happening again.

Intimidation and Harassment: A month of Trump's police task force operations in Memphis yielded over 1,700 arrests -- and resident concerns that they are being racially profiled and harassed. ...

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-06 02:30 PM | Reply

...nobody could have anticipated...

#3 | Posted by Wardog at 2025-11-06 02:54 PM | Reply

Nothing coming from this administration can be trusted or believed.

Nothing.

Unless or until verified by at least two RELIABLE sources.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-06 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-06 03:04 PM | Reply

"Ice agents crashing into US citizens then forcibly detaining them.

They don't know how to hold guns. They clearly don't have any training. They obviously aren't following the laws."

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#6 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-07 09:51 PM | Reply

@#6 ... "Ice agents crashing into US citizens then forcibly detaining them.

They don't know how to hold guns. They clearly don't have any training. They obviously aren't following the laws." ...

If that is correct, does it even matter to Pres Trump?

I mean, he likely thinks (OK, I use that word loosely, give me a break here) that those extreme tactics are part of what he wants. And that looks to be the intimidation into silence of those who do not agree with him.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-07 10:12 PM | Reply

When agents encounter strangers, the Fourth Amendment imposes three core limitations:

1. If, and only if, agents have particularized suspicion that a person may be guilty of a crime, they can stop the person (make a "Terry stop") and pose a brief series of questions to dispel or confirm their suspicions. This is the basic dividing line that border czar Tom Homan and others in the administration say the agents are following in nearly every case.

2. If, and only if, agents have developed probable cause that a person is guilty of a crime, they can arrest them -- restrain their physical movements. That includes, of course, Americans or anyone else who assaults law enforcement.

3. At all times, including during arrests, agents may not employ force that is unreasonable under the circumstances.

Now that we are in the age of body worn video cameras, not only should uniformed LEOs be required to wear them, they should state their rationale for the stop (i.e. particularized suspicion and probable cause) PRIOR TO the stop. This would limit unlawful stops and encourage truthiness when filing post action reports.

#8 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-11-08 06:55 AM | Reply