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Several Californians sued Sutter Health and MemorialCare this week over allegations that an AI transcription tool was used to record them without their consent ...

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... According to the complaint, this system "captured and processed their confidential physician-patient communications. Plaintiffs did not receive clear notice that their medical conversations would be recorded by an artificial intelligence platform, transmitted outside the clinical setting, or processed through third-party systems."

The complaint adds that these recordings "contained individually identifiable medical information, including but not limited to medical histories, symptoms, diagnoses, medications, treatment discussions, and other sensitive health disclosures communicated during confidential medical consultations."

In recent years, Abridge's software and AI service have been rapidly deployed across major health care providers nationwide, including Kaiser Permanente, the Mayo Clinic, Duke Health, and many more.

When activated, the software captures, transcribes, and summarizes conversations between patients and doctors, and it turns them into clinical notes. (This reporter gave his consent for its use during multiple medical visits at Kaiser facilities in Northern California over the last two years.) ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-04-11 11:06 PM | Reply

@#1

I had a recent visit to my primary care physician. Among the ~mounds~ of things I had to agree to was a simple statement ... ~will you allow AI to record your conversations with the PCP so that the PCP does not have to spend time typing in your responses?~

Misleading, imo, I'd say, yes.

Now that I read this article, i have to wonder, how will my medical information be sold?

Will it make me more or less able to buy life insurance?

How will my health insurance rates rise?

And if I tell my PCP that I am a trans, will Pres Trump come after me?

etc ...


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-04-11 11:12 PM | Reply

No, but if you dress like a couch VD Prance will.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-04-12 02:01 AM | Reply

"will you allow AI to record your conversations with the PCP so that the PCP does not have to spend time typing in your responses?"

This has already been happening for at least twenty years. I worked at a company later purchased by Nuance (which I believe was in turn purchased by Apple) that used speech to text software to transcribe medical records. We didn't call it AI back then, but this is the same function.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-12 01:26 PM | Reply

Generally, I'm in favor of anything that promotes the Dr actually listening to me, rather than scribbling notes during the conversation or trying to remember the highlights after they've left the room. Mine has always asked as we start our encounter about the recording.

#5 | Posted by morris at 2026-04-12 08:52 PM | Reply

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#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-04-11 11:06 PM
~will you allow AI to record your conversations with the PCP so that the PCP does not have to spend time typing in your responses?~

It's a basic speech-to-text, which is now on almost every phone or most devices with microphone. It's been available for quite a while and used to produce transcripts in medical and other industries to save time and/or labor, and has nothing to do with AI. Almost everything that was done by "computer" just a few years ago is now done by "AI" - it's a new buzzword.

Now that I read this article, i have to wonder, how will my medical information be sold?

Same way it was "sold" before. Some of your records will be processed by computer software, with or without the help of "AI", for billing, insurance and, if needed, provide assistance in diagnosis, course of action, etc.

Will it make me more or less able to buy life insurance? How will my health insurance rates rise?

Depends on what you told your doctor.

And if I tell my PCP that I am a trans, will Pres Trump come after me?

Depends. If Trump sees you and likes your new looks, he'll scream "Surrender!", will "grab you by the p***y" and will try to "TAKE your 'oil'!"
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#6 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-04-12 09:28 PM | Reply

"It's a basic speech-to-text, which is now on almost every phone or most devices with microphone."

And it's still PHI and it's still subject to HIPAA.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-12 09:36 PM | Reply

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#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-12 01:26 PM
I worked at a company later purchased by Nuance (which I believe was in turn purchased by Apple) that used speech to text software to transcribe medical records. We didn't call it AI back then, but this is the same function.

Most popular STT program was developed by Dragon Systems, which was bought by infamous Lernout & Hauspie, which was then bought out of bankruptcy by Visioneer/Nuance (a name rebrand by ScanSoft after acquiring Nuance) part of which was later acquired by Microsoft.
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#8 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-04-12 09:58 PM | Reply

My doc has an, "Overfed, long-haired, leaping gnome" following him around behind a tall PC cart on wheels taking notes and looking at records.

I've never seen his face. He's like Cousin It with glasses, only taller.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2026-04-12 10:02 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
#8 | POSTED BY CUTIEPIE

Nuance was in Apple's Siri.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-04-12 10:38 PM | Reply


And it's still PHI and it's still subject to HIPAA.

#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Nuance exposed patient data... 50,000 or so.

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-04-12 10:40 PM | Reply

and has nothing to do with AI.

It could, as it AI can correct the "text processed" in the S2T, using a the model.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-04-12 10:41 PM | Reply

Almost everything that was done by "computer" just a few years ago is now done by "AI" - it's a new buzzword.

AI methods are doing "signal processing" for instance the back tap in iOS and Android, could/would be done via old fashioned signal processing, today its done by modeling the data and other metadata about the context.

So its a little more than a buzzword.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-04-12 10:44 PM | Reply

"Most popular STT program was developed by Dragon Systems"

And we used that at a different vertically integrated software shop.

Still doesn't change the fact that PHI is a legal reality.

Data breach
Between 2014 and 2017, Nuance exposed over 45,000 patient records.
en.wikipedia.org

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-12 11:13 PM | Reply

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#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-04-12 10:38 PM
Nuance was in Apple's Siri.

Yes, and Nuance software was licensed and embedded in many other phones and software packages. The company, Nuance Communications, was bought by Microsoft in 2022 for almost $20B, after some parts were spun off.

Nuance exposed patient data... 50,000 or so.

About 45,000 in 2018, it was due to a 3rd-party cloud data storage cyber breach. Nuance reported it to FBI contacted all patients, only 900 were possibly affected : "The DoJ found that the information was not used or sold for any purpose and that all the data had been recovered."

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It could, as it AI can correct the "text processed" in the S2T, using a the model.

Using "AI" model to "correct the text processed" is horribly expensive overkill, as it's been successfully done by software well known as a "spell-checker" for decades.

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AI methods are doing "signal processing" for instance the back tap in iOS and Android, could/would be done via old fashioned signal processing, today its done by modeling the data and other metadata about the context.

Again, very expensive processing overkill unless you absolutely, positively need extremely fast processing of huge amount of precise RT data... and the reason why it's being replaced by much faster much cheaper algorithmic discrete components.

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So its a little more than a buzzword.

Real-world AI applications exist, obviously. What most companies advertise and most people started to refer to as "AI" today is just a buzzword for what people previously called "computers" / "technology" / "software" / "algorithm" etc. depending on their level of sophistication and the target audience they addressed.
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#15 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-04-12 11:31 PM | Reply

"The DoJ found that the information was not used or sold for any purpose and that all the data had been recovered."

You believe Trump's DOJ.

And you believe data leaked to the Internet can be "recovered."

That's... what's the word?

Cute.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-13 12:37 AM | Reply

Why'd you construct this entire persona just to try to argue with me, anyway?

Walk me down that process. Strike that, storyboard it, and I can be a creative consultant on the Snoofy Movie. With bold and underlines as needed.

Please and Thank You.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-13 12:42 AM | Reply

Why'd you construct this entire persona just to try to argue with me, anyway?

Walk me down that process. Strike that, storyboard it, and I can be a creative consultant on the Snoofy Movie. With bold and underlines as needed.

Please and Thank You.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-13 12:42 AM | Reply

Hoping you got the memo.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-13 12:42 AM | Reply

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#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-13 12:42 AM
Why'd you construct this entire persona just to try to argue with me, anyway?

1. What "construct" and "persona" are you talking about? You sound incoherent, like Trump.

2. Last thing on my mind is to "argue" with you... or one of your "rabbit holes" / "weaves" on a matter that is irrelevant to discussion about Nuance software or company, or AI.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-13 12:42 AM
Hoping you got the memo.

Pretty sure, I got the memo - let me guess, tequila again?

Go to sleep and have a good night (Please and Thank You).
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#20 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-04-13 02:01 AM | Reply

Still doesn't change the fact that PHI is a legal reality.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-12 11:13 PM | Reply

To follow HIPAA best practices for a software stack I wrote, I had to create a DataVault first and a NodeJS service allowed to communicate with it. Everything encrypted down to the database schema field level, with a rotating encryption key so that if it was breached only that interval would be exposed. Then a separate Broker API service to communicate with the DataVault. It's the only API allowed to talk to it, and only the other API are allowed to talk to the Broker. IP restrictions, port restrictions, role based authentication, etc.

All that just to write down an emergency contact phone #, that a party host isn't allowed to see, only the venue owner and sometimes management.

I'd guess that SutterHealth and MemorialCare probably also follow HIPAA best practices.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-04-13 07:49 AM | Reply

@#4 ... I worked at a company later purchased by Nuance (which I believe was in turn purchased by Apple) that used speech to text software to transcribe medical records. We didn't call it AI back then, but this is the same function. ...

The article specifically mentions Abridge AI, which looks like more than just a speech-to-text converter ...

www.abridge.com

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Enterprise-grade AI for clinical conversations -- trusted by the largest healthcare systems. Measurably improving outcomes for clinicians, nurses, and revenue cycle teams at scale.

Abridge transforms patient-clinician conversations into contextually aware, clinically useful, and billable AI-generated notes.
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#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-04-13 12:11 PM | Reply

Look at tools built into webex to summarize meetings and action items. Tools like Granola that aren't built in. There is a whole industry of AI listeners to meetings that summarize, not Transcribe.

That's what is in use here, the AI listens to the conversation and pulls out the pertinent information the doctor cares about for notes and throws away the part where you discussed the weather for the first minute of the conversation.

These tools can be built in very HIPAA secure ways, and used against models that aren't training on the data taken in or keeping a history of that session past the output of the notes.

#23 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2026-04-14 10:17 AM | Reply

All I know is Nothing bad can happen. It can only good happen.

My Presinut sez so.

And my Presnut loves me yes he do.
Because the MAGA says he do.
Young ones to him belong, they are Weak but he is Strong!

Yes, Trumpy loves me! Yes, Trumpy loves me!
Yes, Trumpy loves me! The MAGA tells me so!

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-04-14 12:32 PM | Reply

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#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-04-13 12:11 PM
The article specifically mentions Abridge AI, which looks like more than just a speech-to-text converter

Abridge is just one of many vertical healthcare software companies known as "ambient AI" - they integrate various client-facing "AI" processes with the usual back office software functions, like automated scheduling, billing, organizing data and analytics : www.heidihealth.com - What is Ambient AI? Ultimate Guide for Clinicians

|------- ... 5 of the Best Ambient AI Tools for Doctors
Healthcare professionals prioritize patient care quality above anything else. To foster relationships with patients, ambient AI tools lessen their workload by listening in the background and taking in clinical information. Thinking broadly, the "always on" concept of ambient AI provides a wide range of use cases in healthcare, including:

1. Ambient AI Transcription and Dictation
Medical transcription is the first and major feature common among ambient AI providers. Hospitals and clinics can now easily reduce human error in documentation by using ambient AI scribes.

An ambient AI scribe, such as Heidi, offers live transcription of patient conversations, capturing speech word-by-word. This transcript is visible in a panel, and Heidi's AI-enabled note generation streamlines your workflow even further. ...

4. Automated AI Billing & Insurance ...

5. Ambient AI Practice Management
The future of ambient AI in clinics will handle everything from appointment scheduling to staff coordination and logistics. It will take care of smart staff shifting and recommend available slots with data from clinicians' AI-assisted notes.

Heidi Comms automates routine phone calls like follow-ups and appointment confirmations so physicians can focus on patients. ...
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Part 1 covers what you described in your #1 post:
~will you allow AI to record your conversations with the PCP so that the PCP does not have to spend time typing in your responses?~

My response was:
It's a basic speech-to-text, which is now on almost every phone or most devices with microphone. It's been available for quite a while and used to produce transcripts in medical and other industries to save time and/or labor, and has nothing to do with AI.

Some of your records will be processed by computer software, with or without the help of "AI", for billing, insurance and, if needed, provide assistance in diagnosis, course of action, etc.

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Not everything that glitters is gold; not everything that today's marketing people call "AI" is actually AI.

Some articles that could be interesting for you to help understand the marketing hype vs reality:

www.forbes.com - What 'The Pitt' Gets Right And Wrong About Generative AI In Medicine - Forbes, 2026-02-03

www.wired.com - The Pitt Finally Offers a Stark Warning on AI in Medicine - Wired, 2026-02-19
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#25 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-04-14 01:30 PM | Reply

Heidi is taking a transcript and using AI to make it into an after visit summary. So there's a lot more judgment calls being made than simply accurately inferring what words were spoken.

The risk here is the AI gets it wrong once in a while, the doctor doesn't always verify every report since it's usually so accurate, and then bad medical information leads to incorrect treatment and bad outcomes.

Is this a lower risk than simply having the doctor type up their own summary? Maybe not. Looks like we will find out soon enough, though.

After Visit Summary Template
This after visit summary template can easily help you produce complete yet concise summaries of your patient's visit, ensuring that they have a good picture of their diagnosis, treatment plan, and next steps. With Heidi, you can leverage the benefits of AI to automatically generate doctor visit summaries that:
www.heidihealth.com

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-14 06:43 PM | Reply

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