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Golden Ten Data reported on May 8 that France's solar power generation reached a record high on Friday, surpassing grid operator forecasts and pushing electricity prices into negative territory.

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... According to data from French grid operator RTE, solar power generation rose to about 20 million kilowatts (20 GW). Usually, strong expectations for solar power generation depress next-day electricity prices into the negative ahead of time, as the market factors in excess supply in advance.

However, due to the sudden nature of this record growth, this did not happen on Thursday; only intraday electricity prices on Friday dropped below zero.

RTE data shows that France's nuclear power generation remains at a high level of about 33 million kilowatts (33 GW). In recent weeks, French power companies have maintained reactor operation at the request of grid operators to stabilize the system, despite sharp declines in electricity prices. Around midday on Friday, the combined electricity output from solar and nuclear sources exceeded demand by about 10 million kilowatts (10 GW). This surplus electricity was exported to neighboring countries.``` ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-08 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yeah but coal"

Thc usual -------

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-05-08 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

pushing electricity prices into negative territory.

Good thing we don't have that here.
Lower energy prices are bad for America.
--Republicans

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-08 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Higher energy prices are good for California.
--CA Democrats

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-05-08 09:38 PM | Reply

surpassing grid operator forecasts and pushing electricity prices into negative territory.

Its negative because there's no where to store the excess energy. This isn't a win... its speaks to the volatility of the source, and the lack of planning by their EC equivalent.

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-05-08 09:40 PM | Reply

@#1 ... According to data from French grid operator RTE, solar power generation rose to about 20 million kilowatts (20 GW). Usually, strong expectations for solar power generation depress next-day electricity prices into the negative ahead of time, as the market factors in excess supply in advance. ..

Yeah, maybe store that excess energy?

Battery technology. Who would have thought?

What a concept!


Or maybe, just rely on the old Big Oil billionaires for energy?

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-08 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OK, my first question, among many, ...

If solar power has resulted in a [transitory] period of negative power cost, why does Pres Trump seem to be so against solar power?


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-09 12:01 AM | Reply

America.
#3 | Posted by snoofy

California.
#4 | Posted by oneironaut

Now there's a sensible comparison!
I wonder which one of those drives national energy policy, and which one submits to national energy policy.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-09 11:45 AM | Reply

Where the base load comes from:

GOOGLE AI Overview

France generates the vast majority of its electricity from nuclear power, which accounted for approximately 65%"67% of total production in 2024, providing the country with one of the lowest-carbon power grids in the world. The remainder is primarily sourced from hydropower, natural gas, and, to a lesser extent, wind and solar power

#9 | Posted by MSgt at 2026-05-09 11:46 AM | Reply

^ This is what a diversified energy portfolio looks like. Something we sorely lack. Thanks to Trumpers (see onionsnot).

#10 | Posted by horstngraben at 2026-05-09 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Modeling our energy after France would be a disaster.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-05-09 01:21 PM | Reply

So pedoringer is an energy policy expert now?

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-09 02:21 PM | Reply

Modeling our energy after France would be a disaster.
#11 | Posted by BellRinger

Again, you make a distraction to obscure the actual point.

According to Republicans, having a national energy policy in any shape or form would be a disaster.

The United States is the single largest external factor the Jihadists use to their stranglehold on power in the Middle East. Through American demand for oil.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-09 02:49 PM | Reply

The United States is the single largest external factor the Jihadists Gulf State oligarchs use to their stranglehold on power in the Middle East. Through American demand for oil.

The status quo fat cat Gulf oligarchies do not care for the "jihadists" as they present a danger to their regimes as well.

The real power in the Middle East are the sheikhs and emirs and their wealth and oil ownership.


#14 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-05-09 03:08 PM | Reply

Of course. I was trying to speak to Republicans in language they can understand. Later, I'll be banging my head against a brick wall; it's just as effective.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-05-09 03:17 PM | Reply

Ten-four, Old Fruit!

#16 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-05-09 04:57 PM | Reply

Why learn anything from France which has universal healthcare for all its residents as also enjoyed by the residents of Israel, Germany, Greenland, Iran, Cuba, Canada, Finland, tiny Albania, and in 2027, Mexico.

My cousin lives in Paris and loves it.

#17 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2026-05-09 05:04 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS

Ambulances show up with a doctor on board.

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2026-05-10 02:41 AM | Reply

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#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-09 12:01 AM
If solar power has resulted in a [transitory] period of negative power cost, why does Pres Trump seem to be so against solar power?

Because he is the same kind of dumbass who lives in the past and as incapable of processing or remembering new information as the people who think that if solar (or wind) power generation resulted in a short [transitory] period of [theoretical and 'unsold'] "negative" power cost due to "surge," it means that solar power is cheap and is the "solution" to energy needs everywhere, because it's also "clean and renewable" and is also the answer to AGW / climate change.

First, just adding a new installation, however small it is, will create a new "record" of that type of energy. So the headline "records" of generation some place are meaningless.

It's like "stable genius" telling people that "beautiful tariffs" will generate Trillions of dollars and would replace income tax.

Or banning gas appliances, mandating "electrification" of transportation / cars without building electric capacity to handle new demand, then finding out that renewables will take huge land "footprint", be more TCO-expensive and still won't provide anywhere near enough power to accomplish it. Then restarting old nuclear plant that was supposed to be scrapped to prevent brownouts. Look at California, Germany, UK... which went all-in on renewables.

Or California deciding to build a "train from nowhere to nowhere" because Japan, China, Europe have efficient high-speed light-rail systems.

"Why can't we do that?" should be replaced by "Why do we need that?"... and "because climate change" is not the answer - e.g., world's renewable energy capacity increased substantially in the last 25 years... but climate change has gone unabated.

In the EU they reclassified NG as a "green" energy, to meet their self-imposed "green" goals. Recently they lowered barriers to methane.

BTW, USA is already producing 11% of world electricity from renewables; China is #1 at 32%, Brazil - 7%, Canada and India - 4.5%.

We've been through this here a couple of years ago, when someone kept posting about "record power generation" from "renewables" in CA. Not surprisingly, it also caused much higher usage of natgas for a backup, since wind and solar are INTERMITTENT and batteries which are toxic, degrade within relatively short amount of time and take humongous amount of space, require much higher maintenance and (at least, in the US) are not even close to TCO-competitive as e.g., NG alone - IOW, these intermittent solutions have a huge "FOOTPRINT" and very low ENERGY DENSITY.

Many US solar and wind companies went out of business long before most state and federal incentives expired because promised cost savings didn't materialize.

Just because few small countries like Costa Rica and Nepal are 90%-100% reliant on renewables for electricity (not a lot of "heavy manufacturing" and datacenters in those countries) no "one size fits all" energy solutions exist.

CA is #1 in solar (but buys wind power from as far as WY), TX is #1 in wind and #2 in solar.

So why is CA electricity so much higher when most of it is from renewables?

www.thinkcpi.com - Where California's energy comes from - 2023

www.gov.ca.gov - In historic first, California powered by two-thirds clean energy

www.electricchoice.com - Electricity rates by state
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#19 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-05-11 05:07 AM | Reply

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Wind, solar, and storage free us from fossil-fueled wars and price spikes. Renewable energy = energy independence.

We don't have a problem with "energy independence" - the US is net exporter of oil, gas and coal.

The real problems with renewable energy are "large footprint | low density" and costs, because the "energy" is a global market.

Because the worldwide demand for energy grows along with all the "records" of growing supply of energy from renewables, 80+% of the world's energy is still generated by oil, coal, NG (32%, 27%, 24%) with hydro (6%) and nuclear (5%).

What we do need is energy diversification - but that's exactly opposite of mandating "energy uniformity" of electricity and the renewables, again in the name of "fighting" climate change. Mandates only give you dependence on one source of energy and you lose both diversification and cost competition.

With non-portable electricity, the demand centers should be matched with the close-by types of resource center areas, but that's not what some states' or federal government's "one size fits all" mandates deliver.

The real myth is the panacea of trying to "save the planet" with renewables and "EVs everywhere" which crowded out more efficient long-term energy generation.

www.congress.gov - Why Renewables Can't Save the Planet - 2019-06-25 (Michael Shellenberger was in charge of several Obama's renewables projects)

www.realclearenergy.org - Britain's Net Zero Disaster and the Wind Power Scam - 2023-12-20

That's why Amazon, Google, Meta and others with AI or "intelligent cloud" datacenters are investing in nuclear power, not VRE renewables:
www.cnbc.com - CNBC, 2024-12-28

|------- ... "A new data center that needs the same amount of electricity as say, Chicago, cannot just build its way out of the problem unless they understand their power needs" ...

After years of focusing on renewables, major tech companies are now turning to nuclear power for its ability to provide massive energy in a more efficient and sustainable fashion. ...

"What we're seeing is nuclear power has a lot of benefits," said Michael Terrell, senior director of energy and climate at Google. "It's a carbon-free source of electricity. It's a source of electricity that can be always on and run all the time. And it provides tremendous economic impact." ...
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China has been diversifying energy and electricity generation for the last 20 years and continues doing fast and furious.

The hottest investments in energy infrastructure now are nuclear plants, gas turbines, and blue hydrogen research.

www.gminsights.com - Gas Turbine Market Size, Growth 2026-2035 - Dec. 2025

So no, electric cars and renewables will not "save the planet" from climate change, but NG and "blue/green hydrogen" and even in some places renewables could be useful in diversification of energy sources. Even people who formerly worked on and were favoring renewables projects have admitted years ago that they present environmental problems, are not cheaper long term or should become a major source of energy in the future.
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#20 | Posted by CutiePie at 2026-05-11 05:19 AM | Reply

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