Tuesday, July 30, 2024

Trump Explains Voting Remark, Makes It Sound Worse

Former President Donald Trump attempted to explain what he meant when he told a crowd of Christians last Friday that, as far as voting goes, they wouldn't "have to do it anymore" if he wins in November.

Posted by qcp at 10:30 PM | 47 COMMENTS | permalink

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More: "This was a crowd that liked me a lot ... and they're treated very badly by this administration, OK?" Trump said of his speech Friday at the faith-focused event in Florida.

"That statement is very simple," he added. "I said, vote for me; you're not going to have to do it ever again. It's true."

"This time vote, I'll straighten out the country, you won't have to vote anymore, I won't need your vote."

"You meant you won't have to vote for you because you'll have four years in office," Ingraham pressed.

"I'm saying go out, you must vote," Trump replied. "I said to the Christians in the room ... you have to vote on Nov. 5. After that, you don't have to worry about voting anymore " I don't care " because we're going to fix up, the country will be fixed and we won't even need your vote anymore because frankly we will have such love."

The former president added that Christians and gun owners were the key groups he was trying to appeal to, claiming they "don't vote." He also repeated his claim that Jewish Americans who vote for a Democrat "should have your head examined."

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2024-07-30 10:38 AM

The "fix" will be in.

---- that demented old man.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-30 11:13 AM

Every day.

More ambiguous responses.

More speculation.

Keep talking amongst yourselves

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 11:15 AM

Maybe the source of the ambiguity should form a coherent or defensible sentence.

#4 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-07-30 11:23 AM

I take Trump "seriously, not literally"...
I believe he's serious about his intentions to do away with our Constitution, to be a dictator like all those he adores. I take him seriously when he says over and over again and again that he doesn't need anyone's vote.

I wonder if people ask "why is he saying that? How could that work?"

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-30 11:41 AM

"Every day. More ambiguous responses."

That's only because you're pretending the other half-dozen corrupt routes all get mulligans.

I asked the other day, and didn't get an answer:

Where, exactly, is your red line?

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-30 12:16 PM

-How could that work?"

are you asking that?

are you even remotely curious how a president can throw away the constitution and eliminate elections?

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 12:16 PM

6

I did answer....it was "WTF are you talking about?"

what does that mean?

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 12:17 PM

-That's only because you're pretending the other half-dozen corrupt routes all get mulligans.

I don't know what that means either.

What are you accusing me of?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 12:17 PM

" are you even remotely curious how a president can throw away the constitution and eliminate elections?"

Pence throws the election back to the states.

Do you actually NEED more examples?

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-30 12:19 PM

" I don't know what that means either."

The phone call to Rafsenberger wasn't enough?

The threats and intimidation against poll workers wasn't enough?

Rusty Bowers moment of crucible means nothing?

The MI fake electors aren't a disqualifier?

The WI fake electors scheme isn't a disqualifier?

Again, what's it going to take?

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-30 12:26 PM

What are you accusing me of?

#9 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Being willfully obtuse.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-30 12:44 PM

... Trump Explains Voting Remark, And Makes It Sound Worse ... Ingraham afforded Trump multiple attempts to reject Democrats' claims that he was telling supporters they wouldn't need to vote again in the future, but Trump reiterated that Christians wouldn't have to vote for him multiple times.

Yup. When even Ms Ingrham takes a step back and questions the answer given, something looks quite amiss.

There was no attempt by fmr Pres Trump to backtrack, only a failed attempt to explain the remark away by doubling-down on it.


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-30 12:47 PM

#3 | POSTED BY EBERLY

One wonders why you always stick up for a 78 year old demented pedo that wants to be King of America.

It's curious.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-30 01:10 PM

are you asking that?

I said 'I wonder if people ask "why is he saying that? How could that work?"'

So no. I'm not asking. I already know.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-30 01:24 PM

Eberly isn't rushing to trumps defense

He is desperately trying to rehab the GOP

His supposed moderation of late only speaks ill of Trump when it excuses or gives cover to the GOP

Eberly is such an arrogant ----- he I probably believes he can influence democrats like he deluded himself into believing he did with his local GOP

#16 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-30 01:44 PM

You guys are so angry you're barely using English.

Then you take yourselves down these absurd paths....again, because you're out of control with rage.

You can try and take it out on me but I'm gonna slap your ------ mouths hard for it.

so don't cry about it.

I'm not defending anything Trump has done nor suggest any future actions he might take.

How many times do I have to explain that to you little people?

I simply asked Yav (who you all feel it necessary to help out...very nice of you all BTW) if he was curious how a president throws out the constitution and eliminates elections.

And pointed out Trump is deliberately ambiguous so everyone keeps talking about him.

And that's "rehabbing the GOP" and defending Trump?

I have zero interest in doing that.

JFC.......how goddam mad can you people get?

maybe calm down enough to start properly using English.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 02:26 PM

-Again, what's it going to take?

For someone here to act their age?

I don't know, man. I really don't know.

Start with yourself.........

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 02:27 PM

-His supposed moderation of late only speaks ill of Trump when it excuses or gives cover to the GOP

There was a time when we saw an effort to separate Trump from the GOP.

I don't see that anywhere now....and certainly not from me.

If I gave some of you $100K just to get 1 thing right.....you'd still piss down your leg.

But you're used to doing that to yourself, drunken savage

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 02:30 PM

maybe calm down enough to start properly using English.

You got confused over a simple question I asked in #5.
If you wanted to ask me what you finally did in #17 you would have received an entirely different response from that in #15.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-30 02:37 PM

"And pointed out Trump is deliberately ambiguous"

I find nothing about Trump ambiguous. Ever.

And Pence throwing it back to the states = an attempt to nullify voting.

Nothing ambiguous about that.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-30 02:40 PM

-You got confused over a simple question I asked in #5.

No, I didn't.

And since you know how he's going to throw out the constitution and eliminate elections (or did you mean to say "election"? meaning his own and no others) you can share that.

or did Danforth already do that for you?

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 02:43 PM

-I find nothing about Trump ambiguous. Ever.

Then why is the country arguing about what me means all the time?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 02:51 PM

Then why is the country arguing about what me means all the time?

Because he lies constantly?
Because his cult followers wont believe anything bad about the man no matter how obvious it is?

#24 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-30 02:52 PM

"why is the country arguing about what he means all the time?"

Because some will lie about it, some will minimize it, and some will ignore it entirely.

You're in the middle group.

For example, what's your reaction to "dictator on day one" ... ?

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-30 02:58 PM

24

Both good points......but if he's a constant liar then why do you take him at his word all the time?

What quandry that puts people in. Believe him when he says he's going to shred the constitution, eliminate elections but then call him a constant liar.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 02:59 PM

Sometimes he says the quiet part out loud.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-30 02:59 PM

I don't see a quandary for either of us, Eberly. We're not voting for the guy.

#28 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-30 03:01 PM

-For example, what's your reaction to "dictator on day one" ... ?

I'm in the camp of people who believes he truly lies all the time. Even when the truth is more convenient.

It adds to the conversation about his lies. It increases the level of chatter about it.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 03:01 PM

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and to follow up.....I don't believe he intends on being a dictator on day 1 just because he says so.

I won't speculate on what he intends to do.......but I place zero correlation on what he says he is going to do and what he is actually going to do.

I'm saying he lies......but it doesn't mean I know what the actual truth is.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 03:04 PM

-I don't see a quandary for either of us, Eberly. We're not voting for the guy.

a vote takes seconds....in the meantime, everyone is going to dissect everything he says and does. Literally everything.

And as a matter of pride, many people here will firmly commit to believing what they think they hear and see especially if their favorite pundits frame it that way.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 03:07 PM

^
See, it trump who wants this, not the GOP
See, Trump lies, not the GOP
See, Trump wants to shred the constitution, not the GOP

However the GOP enables everything Trump wants and defends everything Trump says

But according to this GOP pundit, framing it as if Trump is an anomaly in the GOP is totally believable

#32 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-30 03:22 PM

I won't speculate on what he intends to do.......but I place zero correlation on what he says he is going to do and what he is actually going to do.

I directly hold him to his words on specific things, such as appointing judges, overturning Roe V Wade, gutting regulations, doing away with the DOE, Putting DOJ and the FBI directly under his control, and weaponizing the US Government against his perceived enemies.

All you have to do is see what he's done in the past, his behavior, his actions, what he sees as threats, and what he needs to do to consolidate power. Then match the words he says that fits that and that will determine if what he's saying is "true."

He lies in furtherance of the above. He constantly lies. He does it so the truth and lies are equal, that there's no value. You can't tell which is which because the flood of lies and misinformation are constant. This is a very old trick with authoritarians and fascists. It is spelled out throughout history.

#33 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-30 03:34 PM

"framing it as if Trump is an anomaly in the GOP"

please...stop licking my ----, savage. I'm not doing anything remotely like that.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 04:09 PM

- stop licking my ----, savage.

Still with the Abusive homoerotic projections.

Just ax' Clowny for a date an be done with it!

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-30 04:31 PM

-Still with the Abusive homoerotic projections.

I could just use some female slur/version of his name. That'll show him.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 05:04 PM

" if he's a constant liar then why do you take him at his word"

He's not a constant liar; he's a constant self-server.

Today he said he knows nothing about P25. A lie? Probably. Self-serving? DEFINITELY.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-30 05:13 PM

#37 - Great example, Danforth. He lies about what he definitely knows about (we have too much video of him on this subject and at Heritage), so why lie? It serves him - and his followers. They don't need the truth, they just need their leader to say something so they can all pretend (or internalize it). They do this so much that when someone else confronts them with the truth they say "everyone lies" or "I have examples that say you're wrong."

This way the only "truth" that matters is what they "feel" - and that's how authoritarians equalize and neutralize the truth, leaving the poplace to choose who they "like" more or who they believe will help them. After all, they are both the same at this point. Without any objective truth in play, they fall back on believing the lies. Especially if they play to their prejudices, their base emotions.

Truthiness over truth.

#38 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-30 05:30 PM

-This way the only "truth" that matters is what they "feel"

You just described Zed and anybody else who is dismissing everything they are being told by the secret service, the FBI and local law enforcement regarding the recent attempted assassination on Trump.

I think you're right...but you're describing a lot more people than you think.

"Especially if they play to their prejudices, their base emotions."

Exactly.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 05:45 PM

I get you holding Zed and others that aren't Trumpers to a higher standard.
I hold myself to a higher standard, though you may disagree.
With so much on the line I won't bother finding fault with those that have serious doubts about what happened.

I've already said that I thought Trump was injured as the result of an assassination attempt.
I've gone back on forth on whether it was the bullet itself, or shrapnel. To me it doesn't matter whether it was a bullet or shrapnel from a bullet.

But the craziest conspiracy theories you've heard on here are being echoed in Congress today at the hearing with the Secret Service.
The GOP was accusing our Secret Service and the FBI of planning this assassination attempt on Trump.
They were saying Biden ordered it.

When you're measuring two sides on which is the craziest you have one side that's mild and not in power and posts here on the DR and has legitimate reasons for not believing the WWE Hall of Famer, and one side that's insane, in power, wants MORE power, lies, berates, bullies and has put in people in place that have control over election certification. People that have already stopped certification in some elections. THAT is why I believe Trump when he says "I don't need your votes." I digress...

I felt horrible for the two men before Congress being berated by total ------- Republicans, Cruise and Hawley in particular. They aren't human, or they have absolutely no soul.

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-30 06:19 PM

Remember when gasbageberly went on a tirade, schooling the DR denizens on how silly it was to consider or retort Obama wasn't an American, was going to invade Texas, imprison Christian's and institute sharia law

Me neither

So why lecture now?

#41 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-30 07:22 PM

-I get you holding Zed and others that aren't Trumpers to a higher standard.

After reflection, I agree with you. I do hold some posters here to a higher standard.

I do that so I can have the discussions I want.

The rest of your post is pretty NW.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-30 07:44 PM

Yes

Because in your mind you are a master manipulator

But outside, not so much

#43 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-30 09:05 PM

... Trump Explains Voting Remark, Makes It Sound Worse ...

Yeah, if I had written the headline for the cited article, I might have phrased it along the lines of...

Trump Tries To Explain Voting Remark, Makes It Sound Worse


But that's just my view.

Try as he has, he cannot explain it.

He said what he said.


#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-30 11:14 PM

"I might have phrased it^

Ok, boomer

#45 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-07-31 12:16 AM

@#45 ... Ok, boomer ...

... and that enters into this conversation... why?

#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-31 12:21 AM

The job the paid Russian troll has on here is to divide our country and polarize our people with lies. Facts and reason don't have any bearing on their mission here. It's useless to argue with them as a productive or intellectual exercise. They're not here for the conversation, they're here to destroy our country.

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