Sunday, October 20, 2024

This Is Post-Roe America

The decision to overturn Roe v. Wade reshaped this country in ways we're just starting to understand. What does it really mean to live in a country where abortion is no longer a constitutional right? These are stories from the aftermath.

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Since 2022, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, many states have made it all but impossible to get abortion care within their borders, and have done their best to isolate people facing unwanted or complicated pregnancies, making them afraid to reach out to medical providers or even to friends and loved ones who might help them. New laws have forced doctors to delay care in life-threatening situations and made women afraid to seek it, leading to preventable deaths. Did anyone really want this?

We asked people at the front lines of abortion access to help us understand how the new laws have filtered into their worlds. They answered our call with texts, audio messages, videos and pictures; some shared their stories anonymously out of fear of reprisal. Taken as a whole, their dispatches show us an untenable status quo, held together by sheer grit and determination. But for how much longer?

This presidential election will be the first since the Supreme Court ruled on Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, when voters will be presented with a choice: to try to rein in the chaos unleashed by the ruling or to live in a country that continues to be shaped by it.

It's simply incredible that a woman's autonomy to access healthcare is on a ballot subject to the whims of a majority. There is no way men would allow the electorate to decide personal health decisions for them. It simply would not happen.

Freedom is indeed on this year's ballot for all of us, even if many have no earthly idea of that being the case.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-19 08:10 PM

Arm the unborn

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-20 12:12 AM

Abortion will be legal again. It's only a matter of time. But that time will be delayed by overt fascist oppression if Trump is elected. A period of time in which many other American rights will be ost or suppressed.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-20 09:50 AM

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#4 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 10:07 AM

Abortion IS legal now. In Tim Walz's Minnesota a woman (or man) can get an abortion at ANY point in her term with NO RESTRICTIONS. Three, Six, or Nine months no restrictions. Kamala has said that is what she wants for the rest of the country. Abortion on demand, no restrictions based on term or otherwise. Don't ask how often viable babies are aborted, Tim Walz put rules in place to not track them.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 10:19 AM

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 10:19 AM | Flag: So what?

#6 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 10:23 AM

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 10:19 AM | Flag: Happy Anniversary

#7 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 10:24 AM

Don't ask how often viable babies are aborted, Tim Walz put rules in place to not track them.

#5 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Don't ask how many viable babies Dems are eating.

Dems refuse to track it.

Women see right thru your maga nonsense and maga disdain for women and their reproductive rights.

I hope republicans enjoy the ash heap of history.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-20 10:31 AM

Abortion IS legal now. In Tim Walz's Minnesota a woman (or man) can get an abortion at ANY point in her term with NO RESTRICTIONS. Three, Six, or Nine months no restrictions. Kamala has said that is what she wants for the rest of the country. Abortion on demand, no restrictions based on term or otherwise. Don't ask how often viable babies are aborted, Tim Walz put rules in place to not track them.

#5 | Posted by visitor_

You do realize that abortions are needed in the 3rd trimester to save the life of the mother or to terminate an otherwise unviable fetus. It amazes me you don't support that.

Should the government track men who take ED drugs?

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 10:35 AM

#9 | Posted by truthhurts

1. You do realize that abortions are needed in the 3rd trimester to save the life of the mother or to terminate an otherwise unviable fetus. It amazes me you don't support that.

2. Should the government track men who take ED drugs?

1. That should require a consultation with a medical professional and is MEDICALLY NECESSARY.
2. If it requires a prescription the government IS tracking.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 10:42 AM

Dotard finds humor in Amber Thurman's death. Let that sink in.

www.mediaite.com

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-20 10:47 AM

So, you support MN abortion law, cause abortions are only happening in the 3rd trimester when medically necessary.

Good to know you are on our side.

Abortions aren't happening without the equivalent of a prescription? Have you HEARD of mifepristone and misoprostol?

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 10:50 AM

2. If it requires a prescription the government IS tracking.

#10 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Link or lie. The government(s) do not track ED prescriptions. They DO track controlled substances. ED meds are not a "controlled substance" at this time.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-20 10:50 AM

#2

Arm fetuses.

Yes, you've heard me right. If a fetus is indeed considered a person, it should have the right to defend itself. Why not provide it with the means to do so? A specially designed tiny firearm could be developed and inserted into its hand, or hands, after, say, fourteen weeks of gestation under the supervision of a doctor or certified professional.

Heaven forbid, if an abortion were to occur after said point, the armed fetus could defend itself by shooting the doctor or hospital staff. The fetus would be exercising its right to float its sac' as in the amniotic sac. The act would be like stand your ground', only by a fetus.

This would not only protect the unborn child but also serve as a powerful deterrent to those contemplating abortion. Imagine the conversations around the water cooler. "Did you hear about the armed fetus law? Makes you think twice, huh?"

Additionally, this would serve as a deterrent for people engaging in intimate activity, as they would think twice knowing that the baby they would conceive may end up armed and dangerous. That would give folks pause, leading to a new era of prudence and caution.

Of course, this idea is still in its conceptual stage and requires further discussion as we work towards a uniquely American solution that involves the collaboration of all citizens.

#14 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-10-20 10:55 AM

The requirement of a prescription is government CONTROL.

How do you know only medically necessary abortions are occuring in the third trimester? There's no restriction or requirement that it need be medically necessary and there is no tracking. So prove it.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 11:11 AM

Have you ever met a woman? Ever met a woman that was pregnant into the 3rd trimester?

Have you ever met a woman who had to terminate a pregnancy in the 3rd trimester and the horror they experienced?

If you had you wouldn't question their motives.

If you had a quantum of empathy.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:14 AM

"The requirement of a prescription is government CONTROL."

Which is not the same as tracking prescriptions in a database.

Prescriptions are between the doctors and their patients. The exceptions being controlled substances. Which should need a warrant from a judge to access.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-20 11:16 AM

So you think it's not being tracked because the tracking isn't explicitly mandated. Bless your heart.

That's all reasonable people want. Reasonable restrictions in the later terms requiring abortions to be medically necessary. What's the objection to banning the thing you claim never happens?

#18 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 11:21 AM

So prove it.

#15 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You prove your own lie. You brought it up.

Determing viability is a complex medical decision. You are not qualified to make that decision. A judge is not qualified to make that decision. Neither are politicians.

And it's against the law to kill babies in every state in the Union.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-20 11:22 AM

No woman on the planet goes through 6 months of pregnancy and decides, you know what, I don't want this fetus, get it out of me.

It does not happen.

What happens is tests are done circa 16 weeks that show the fetus to have serious anomalies that will cause the fetus to die, painfully, after birth.
Or
The woman will find that the fetus poses a risk to her life and limb unless an abortion is provided.
Or
The pregnant woman will develop an aggressive cancer and need to start chemo immediately, or die. That chemo would damage the fetus beyond life.

IOW

There are countless reasons that an abortion is needed and NONE of them are, 'oh well, this pregnancy is no longer convenient'

And all that says nothing about trying to find a doctor who would perform an abortion on an otherwise healthy fetus late in pregnancy.

In fact, it is none of your business.

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:23 AM

That's all reasonable people want. Reasonable restrictions in the later terms requiring abortions to be medically necessary. What's the objection to banning the thing you claim never happens?

#18 | Posted by visitor_

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

This here is your brain on conservatism.

You oh so magnificent moron.

You ever hear of Roe v Wade?

Look it up, it might interest you.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:25 AM

"So you think it's not being tracked because the tracking isn't explicitly mandated."

Yes. There are still privacy laws in America (called HIPPA).

"Bless your heart."

Aww. Well bless your two sizes two small maga blackened conspiracy driven heart too!

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-20 11:26 AM

Visitor is an example of what is wrong with this country.

Proud, stubborn ignorance

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:29 AM

If he's really that stupid he has someone typing this rot for him.

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-20 11:31 AM

I am a firm believer in democracy, but, how does one fix a system that allows stupid people like Visitor to vote. He probably lives in a swing state and his vote counts infinitely more than mine.

#25 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:35 AM

So you admit the information on ED prescriptions exists in multiple databases. Thanks for proving my point that it is tracked. Tracked and stored by the doctor, the insurance company and the pharmacy. Of course it would be INCONCEIVABLE that a government entity would be able pierce the impenetrable wall of HIPPA restrictions. #INCONCEIVABLE

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 11:36 AM

Visitor is too ignorant to realize that the same thing applies to abortion, in fact, the majority of abortions occur using, wait for it... prescription drugs.

Seriously, keep arguing, it is amusing.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:41 AM

#25 I do live in a swing state. However, my vote doesn't count 'infinitely more' than yours. Do you know what 'infinite' (the root of infinitely) means?

#28 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 11:41 AM

Exaggeration for effect is another thing you are ignorant about.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:46 AM

I trust you will be voting for abortion protection then. Since that would be in accordance with "Reasonable restrictions in the later terms requiring abortions to be medically necessary. "

or are you one of those people who vote against their own interests?

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:48 AM

R v w was never about actual abortions.

For the extremists wingnuts, it is about denying personal freedoms in the interest of turning America into a third world theocracy. They have also shoehorned this issue into their replacement theory fears.

For the left, it is about the gov't trying to tell women (and doctors) what they can do with their body.

#31 | Posted by kudzu at 2024-10-20 11:52 AM

FTA:

*Christina learned her fetus was likely to die. She left Texas to receive care.

*Dr. Betsy Wickstrom is an OB-GYN who works in Missouri.

We're feeling under the microscope about what we can and can't say. But if my water bottle just happens to be sitting on my desk while we are talking, and the patient happens to write the number on the label, then the patient still has the information they needed.

*Dr. Andrea Palmer is an OB-GYN in Texas who has been sterilizing more women since Dobbs.

I just finished doing a laparoscopic salpingectomy on a young woman, 23 years old, who has not had children and desires not to have children. This is one in a string of many sterilizations I've done on young women without children since S.B. 8 passed in Texas and Dobbs passed at the level of the Supreme Court. I've had so many patients who don't think that they want children, but ultimately are so scared about the lack of reproductive access that they would rather remove the option than have to deal with an unintended pregnancy.

*Dr. Kristl Tomlin was one of a few pediatric gynecologists in South Carolina willing to provide abortions.

I've had police threaten to come to my home, and I've had police call my phone and threaten me. I've had my daughter look up in my eyes and say, "Mommy, are they going to arrest you?"

*Elevated Access is a collective of volunteer pilots who fly women to their abortion appointments.

What's happened with Dobbs now is that people just have to travel that much farther. "We have a pregnant 9-year-old that needs help." Hearing those words, it's like, this is hell.

*Destini Spaeth is a volunteer for the Prairie Abortion Fund in North Dakota, where she helps women figure out everything from insurance to gas money.

I answer emails in the middle of the night. I give callers my cellphone number so that they can text me if they have any questions. I shouldn't need to do this. I shouldn't need to be fielding 17 emails on a lunch break. I dream of a time when this isn't required.

These stories are simply chilling. When The Handmaid's Tale started its TV run in 2017 I never imagined 5 years later a radical Supreme Court would do something during a ruling that the plaintiffs themselves didn't ask for: overturn Roe v. Wade.

We watched every single Federalist Society SCOTUS nominee sitting before the Senate Judiciary committee all assent that they were faithful adherents to precedence and the belief in stare decisis as a bedrock principle of jurisprudence. And each of them showed how faithless those promises were, even when given to a GOP Senator like Susan Collins.

The stories recounted above never should have to be told in 2024 coming from the world's alleged leader in liberty and justice for all. Yet they continue as so few seem to even be concerned with how many lives are turned upside down as thousands of women face a frightening new reality that many of their mothers and grandmothers never had to.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-20 11:53 AM

So you admit the information on ED prescriptions exists in multiple databases. Thanks for proving my point that it is tracked. Tracked and stored by the doctor, the insurance company and the pharmacy. Of course it would be INCONCEIVABLE that a government entity would be able pierce the impenetrable wall of HIPPA restrictions. #INCONCEIVABLE

#26 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

I admit nothing of the sort.
...

It is NOT TRACKED.

Not without a warrant.

The government can access any database. With a warrant. They can access your browser history. With a warrant. They can access which books you read. With a warrant. They can anccess what you say in your kitchen. But. Only with a warrant.

(And a President that respects the law, of course)

Your HIPPA data is still only between you and your doctor (and your insurance company). By law.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-20 12:03 PM

Posted by visitor_

Cesspool resident serves no useful purpose.

#34 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-10-20 12:09 PM

Not getting into whether the government follows its own rules (it doesn't). A warrant can't provide the government LEGAL access a database that doesn't exist. The fact that a database exists means the information is being tracked. So thanks again for proving my point.

#35 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 12:13 PM

Not getting into whether the government follows its own rules (it doesn't).

If you do decide to go down that maga conspiracy rabbit hole let me know so I can get my tin foil hat out.

The fact that a database exists means the information is being tracked. So thanks again for proving my point.

#35 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Thanks for proving what you are. A no nothing conspiratorial anti gubmint lunatic.

Is the ebil gubmint putting nanochips in your vaccines track you and floride in your water to steal your essential juices too?

To be tracked the data has to be extracted and put into another database and analyzed. That would be illegal. So it could only be done under a convicted felon and lawless executive like Humpy Trumpy.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-20 12:22 PM

Your definition of 'tracking' is different than mine and everybody else.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 12:25 PM

. The fact that a database exists means the information is being tracked. So thanks again for proving my point.

#35 | Posted by visitor_

Your original point was that abortion's weren't tracked in MN.

Here is YOUR post:

"Don't ask how often viable babies are aborted, Tim Walz put rules in place to not track them.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ "

Most abortions are performed through prescriptions.

Not only are you ignorant, you are also stupid.

It is hilarious how much your ass is being kicked in this thread.

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 12:33 PM

The prescription drug tracking thread is referring to your comment about ED drugs. It would be trivial to determine if a named individual has a prescription. So wipe the egg from your face and try to catch up.

You might want to look up whether late term abortions are performed through prescription drugs.

Tim Walz has made it impossible to gather the statistics on the frequency of occurrence and reason for late term abortions.

#39 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 12:42 PM

"Don't ask how often viable babies are aborted, Tim Walz put rules in place to not track them."

#5 | Posted by visitor_

What kind of f*cked-up world does visitor_ live in?

He actually believes that a woman would carry a wanted child for 6, 7, 8, even 9 months, and then callously decides to abort said wanted child, because just exactly why?

The reason is that visitor_ and his ilk think that women are just too stupid to leave health care, including the decision to abort a child, in the hands of the people who actually know what's going on: the woman and her health care provider.

So, visitor_ and his ilk believe that they know what's best for women they will never meet and never know, and therefore want the government in the same room as the woman and her health care provider because they can't be there themselves.

That's the kind of f*cked-up world visitor_ and his ilk live in.

Oh, and Happy Anniversary!

#40 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 12:50 PM

The prescription drug tracking thread is referring to your comment about ED drugs. It would be trivial to determine if a named individual has a prescription. So wipe the egg from your face and try to catch up.

You might want to look up whether late term abortions are performed through prescription drugs.

Tim Walz has made it impossible to gather the statistics on the frequency of occurrence and reason for late term abortions.

#39 | Posted by visitor_

I'll just put this link here for you

www.health.state.mn.us

The Minnesota government's abortion tracking system.

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 12:58 PM

From the Minnesota's Dept. of Health's Abortion Tracking system

As an example:

From 1/1/21 through 12/31/21

Of the 10,000 or so abortions performed in MN.
exactly 0 occurred after 30 weeks
exactly 1 occurred from 25 to 30 weeks
exactly 159 occurred from 21 to 24 weeks

a fetus becomes viable between 23 and 24 weeks.

For what it's worth.

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 01:02 PM

at the most 1.5% of abortions occurred after theoretical or even possible viability.

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 01:06 PM

Reasons given for abortion examples

of the 10,000 or so abortions

Physical health at stake 543
Impairment of major bodily function 29
Fetal anomalies 193 (funny how that tracks pretty close to the later term abortions)

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 01:10 PM

I think abortion needs to be legal during the first trimester. After that only in rare instances where the health of the mother is in jeopardy.

Having said that it is absolutely barbaric. And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 01:14 PM

You're out of touch with the mainstream on this and its going to cost you the election.

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-20 01:16 PM

BTW there are no more trimesters. Roe v Wade is GONE.

#47 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-20 01:17 PM

that is how it was under rvw you dumfuq

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 01:18 PM

I think abortion needs to be legal during the first trimester. After that only in rare instances where the health of the mother is in jeopardy.

Having said that it is absolutely barbaric. And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 01:14 PM | Reply

It's none of your business period full stop Jeff. None at all.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-10-20 01:18 PM

or close enough to not matter as it was a reasonable compromise.

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 01:19 PM

"I think abortion needs to be legal during the first trimester. -

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2024-10-20 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag: JeffJ's permission slip

#51 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 01:20 PM

"And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it."

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2024-10-20 01:14 PM

The "left" only celebrates the fact that we trust women with their own, personal health care.

You want to know what's really disgusting?

The right's celebration of having the government in the exam room with the woman and her health care provider.

That's disgusting.

Oh, and I'm still awaiting word on this book, JeffJ

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 01:31 PM

"And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it."

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2024-10-20 01:14 PM

What exactly do you think the "left" is celebrating?

Why does that disgust you?

My guess is your response will have little to do with reality.

#53 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 01:49 PM

The only people who celebrate abortions are literal pimps.

#54 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-20 02:07 PM

The only people who pay attention to abortions that have zero to do with them are conservatives.

Liberals mainly want conservatives to leave others to live their lives in peace.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-20 02:22 PM

And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it (abortion).

Posted by BellRinger

And it disgusts me that my daughter could die in a problem pregnancy because people like you and Trump sentence her to death.

Beyond that----You have no morals, Bubba. And you do a poor job of pretending.

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-20 02:25 PM

Having said that it is absolutely barbaric.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger

MAGA is a nihilistic movement; barbarians who lecture others about proper values.

#57 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-20 02:28 PM

Visiturd thinks rapists should have the right (at least is some states) to select the mothers of their children.

#58 | Posted by anton at 2024-10-20 06:01 PM

Visiturd thinks rapists should have the right (at least in some states) to select the mothers of their children.

#59 | Posted by anton at 2024-10-20 06:02 PM

Letting men make decisions about women's healthcare is like letting your dog make decisions about maintaining your vehicle because he likes to ride in it sometimes.

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-20 06:24 PM

Letting men make decisions about women's healthcare is like letting your dog make decisions about maintaining your vehicle because he likes to ride in it sometimes.

#60 | Posted by TonyRoma at 2024-10-20 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Indisputably ...

#61 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 06:29 PM

" What exactly do you think the "left" is celebrating?"

Slaughtering the unborn.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 07:39 PM

" What exactly do you think the "left" is celebrating?"

Slaughtering the unborn.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger

Do you have proof, any proof at all, of the "left" celebrating the slaughtering of the unborn?

#63 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 07:45 PM

Patricide Jeff was giddy over Amber Thurman's death.

#64 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-20 07:45 PM

" What exactly do you think the "left" is celebrating?"

Slaughtering the unborn.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 07:39 PM

It's in his head, so it must be true.

#65 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-20 07:47 PM

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2024-10-20 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Please give us a reason why anyone should read - (much less respect) - whatever you say when you're unwilling to respond to this?

#66 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 07:54 PM

" 5 People Share Why Their Abortion Was Beautiful"

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#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 07:54 PM

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2024-10-20 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag: Please give us a reason why anyone should read - (much less respect) - whatever you say when you're unwilling to respond to this?

#68 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-20 07:58 PM

Wait... is Jeffringer pregnant?

No? And he can't get pregnant, eh?

Why doesn't he just stfu about it?

93 percent of abortions were already, because of responsible women, happening 13 weeks at the very latest... while Republicans In Your Bedroom were demanding 15 weeks nationwide.

It's a made up, intentionally divisive political red herring meant to keep Americans from watching their wallets being stolen by corporate controlled politicians.

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-20 07:59 PM

These are the people that disgust Jeff:

From jeff's links

"Knowing that I had the autonomy and support to make that decision for my future was pivotal for me and my experience. The clinic staff and my doctor were incredibly warm and kind, making the decision that I already knew was correct for me an incredibly empowering and beautiful experience."

"My decision to have an abortion wasn't a difficult one. It was a necessary one, and it was a beautiful one. For the first time in my life I was able to make a decision for myself, my life, and my future..."

"The son I had envisioned completing my family was diagnosed with full Trisomy 13, and he was incompatible with life.....After searching our hearts and soul, and crying a river of tears, my husband and I decided the most compassionate and loving thing we could do as parents would be to end the pregnancy. Even though I had an abortion, it was an act of love, and my son was still welcomed into the world with loving arms, and he only knew the love, warmth, and security of his mother.

Clearly, the circumstances surrounding my decision were less than pretty, but I have found something beautiful from the ashes. I have become a more compassionate and patient wife, mother, and friend. It empowered me to speak out and advocate for reproductive rights and tell my son's story. Instead of asking, "Why me?" I have found strength in saying, "Why not me?""

" The barriers I experienced in accessing abortion were not moral or emotional"they were financial. As someone who had to beg and borrow to cover my own abortion costs, I feel incredibly grateful and humbled to get to accompany and empower others who are facing similar barriers in their own abortion experiences. Having the privilege of getting others access to practical support, because everyone deserves dignity and care in their reproductive choices, is beautiful."

I can only shake my head at your diseased soul jeff. You are truly a damaged human being.

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 08:22 PM

To reiterate, Jeff is disgusted by a woman who terminated a pregnancy for an unviable fetus. The woman was profoundly touched by the ordeal and made her a better person.

Jeff is disgusted by this person.

#71 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 08:23 PM

I can only ask, what the ---- is wrong with you jeff?

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 08:23 PM

Wanna tissue, Twoothy?

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 09:56 PM

That's what I thought you sociopath.

#74 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 09:57 PM

Terminating a pregnancy of an unviable fetus isn't abortion.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 10:22 PM

Terminating a pregnancy of an unviable fetus isn't abortion.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 10:22 PM | Reply

It absolutely is an abortion. It's the textbook definition of an abortion. Deal with it.

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-10-20 10:44 PM

Removing a stillborn (miscarriage) or ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion.

To abort a pregnancy is to make a choice to do so.

#77 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 10:48 PM

Terminating a pregnancy of an unviable fetus isn't abortion.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger

Tell that to Samantha Casiano, you sociopathic -------.

#78 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 10:50 PM

Removing a stillborn (miscarriage) or ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion.

To abort a pregnancy is to make a choice to do so.

#77 | Posted by BellRinger

Then how come states deny abortions to unviable fetuses you ------- piece of ----?

#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 10:50 PM

Tell that to Amber Thurman you -------.

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 10:52 PM

You're truly a disease jeff. Do us all a favor and do not vote.

#81 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 10:52 PM

"Then how come states deny abortions to unviable fetuses you ------- piece of ----?

#79 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-10-20 10:50 PM"

Which states? Please name one.

#82 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 11:25 PM

Georgia-Amber Thurman
Texas-Samantha Casiano

You do understand what a heatbeat law is, right? You ---- wart.

#83 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:28 PM

www.msnbc.com

#84 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:30 PM

First off, I've made it very clear that I think abortion needs to be legal during the first trimester. So, I oppose any law in any state that doesn't allow for that.

Secondly, you didn't answer my question. I am not aware of any state that doesn't allow for the removal of a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy. Not one.

Lastly, for God's sake, quit being such a cheap-ass and pay a hooker to give you a BJ. You DESPERATELY need it.

#85 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 11:31 PM

#84 I'll click your link.....

#86 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 11:32 PM

Well, a rare moment of agreement. What you linked is awful. Never, ever should have happened.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 11:34 PM

1. I don't give a flying ---- about your hypocrisy.
2. You fully support politicians who deny abortions during the first trimester
3. You are ignorant as to what a heart beat law is.
en.wikipedia.org
4. The fact that you don't know what a heart beat law is (the law being a prominent part of the abortion discuss btw) proves you are an ignorant ---- who should keep his opinions to himself on a topic like abortion.

#88 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:37 PM

Well, a rare moment of agreement. What you linked is awful. Never, ever should have happened.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger

Maybe you should start supporting pro-reproductive freedom candidates.

BTW Samantha and others sued Texas to get the state (through the courts) to further define "medical emergency". The court refused, because, they WANT the uncertainty. Because they are evil -------, like you.

See Zurawsky vs Texas

#89 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:39 PM

en.wikipedia.org

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:42 PM

Here are the stories of the plaintiffs in Zurawsky vs Texas

reproductiverights.org

#91 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:46 PM

"Maybe you should start supporting pro-reproductive freedom candidates."

A couple of things.

One, abortion is now a state-level issue, so I will certainly take that into account when I vote.

Two, I am not a single-issue voter. So a state rep or gubernatorial candidate may align with where I'm at with abortion, but be way off base on a number of other issues and thus won't get my vote.

#92 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 11:49 PM

When I first saw bans after 6 weeks I was like, "Really?"

That is almost no window at all especially for younger women who may not even notice they are late.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-20 11:50 PM

A vote for ------- is a vote for a nationwide ban.

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:52 PM

Irresponible doctors refused treatment to make a political statement.

#95 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-20 11:54 PM

Maybe you could start by stopping using phrases like "And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it."

#96 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:54 PM

Irresponible doctors refused treatment to make a political statement.

#95 | Posted by visitor_ a

The hospital hierarchy, the texas medical ethics boards, the Texas hospital lawyers, the Texas court system and Texas AGs disagree with your ignorant opinion.

But, then again, you already have been proven ignorant and stupid on this very thread.

#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:56 PM

Kaitlyn Kash, of Austin, pregnant with her second child, discovered after her 13-week ultrasound that her baby had severe skeletal dysplasia"a condition affecting bone and cartilage growth"and the baby was unlikely to survive until birth or would suffocate soon after being born. When Kaitlyn asked what option would ensure the least amount of suffering for her baby, the MFM recommended she seek "a second opinion, but outside Texas." Kaitlyn was able to obtain abortion care after traveling to a clinic in Kansas, where protestors harassed her and other patients. After becoming pregnant a few months later, Kaitlyn miscarried at seven weeks. Her doctor prescribed medication to help her pass the pregnancy, but because the drug is also used for medication abortion, she struggled to find a pharmacy to fill the prescription. After another miscarriage without medical intervention, Kaitlyn became pregnant and gave birth to a daughter in 2023. After the birth, she needed a dilation and curettage (D&C) procedure to remove remaining placental tissue, but the hospital had difficulty locating the equipment and staff for the procedure. While waiting, Kaitlyn's condition deteriorated, and after vomiting, losing blood, and losing consciousness, she was transferred to the ICU, where she was later told she was lucky she hadn't lost her uterus. Kaitlyn still struggles to understand why the hospital had so much trouble providing her with routine postpartum care.

Jesus ------- christ!

#98 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-20 11:58 PM

"A vote for ------- is a vote for a nationwide ban.

#94 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-10-20 11:52 PM"

Lots of reasons to vote against him but a nationwide ban is something he has not supported.

So, maybe you have 1999 reasons to vote against him instead of 2000 reasons.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-21 12:07 AM

"Jesus ------- christ!

#98 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-10-20 11:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Yes, what your link described is terrible

#100 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-21 12:09 AM

"Maybe you could start by stopping using phrases like "And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it."
#96 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-10-20 11:54 PM | FLAG: "

It would be dishonest for me to do that. And that is because it IS celebrated on the left. Gone are the Clinton days of, "Abortion needs to be safe, legal and rare."

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-21 12:11 AM

Stillborn and abortion are not the same thing. Not even removing the stillborn.

That's a sad lack of knowledge of stillborn.

Or willful ignorance.

#102 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-10-21 12:31 AM

Soone or later America will recognize that a terrorist Christian cult has taken over major institutions of our nation. they do bot care at all sbout women dying because they can't get the care they need. They look at them as unfortunate casualties in their Crusade to return America to be the Christian nation their delusional minds tell them the Founding Fathers intended it to be which rational people know is not true. They will not be deterred from what they believe is their mission from god and it is going to require impeaxhment which will require a united Congress which will only happen after these religious fanatics shock even conservatives with their vision of a theocracy. that is why they are so willing to undermine democracy; they don't believe in or want democracy. They want full-blown theocracy. They want the Bible to replace the Constitution or at least be respected as rhe real founding document for the nrevealing the threat the nation. Don't take my wrd for it; many of the worst extremists don't even try to hide their intentions except when necessary for short-term political gain but many will tell you, of course that is their goal snd give you Bible quotations to justify it. It is a war which is just now revealing the threat they pose.

#103 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-21 01:20 AM

One very important point I lrft out; brcause they believe they are carrying out go's plan the believe they can lie, vheat, steal, or even carry out violent attacks in pursuit of carrying out "God's plans and they aren't the first religious fanatics to believe that.

#104 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-21 01:32 AM

It sure is.

#105 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-10-21 05:31 AM

Lots of reasons to vote against him but a nationwide ban is something he has not supported.

So, maybe you have 1999 reasons to vote against him instead of 2000 reasons.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger

He has said, unsaid and not said all sorts of things about a nationwide ban

His recent lies are because he is getting his ass kicked on the issue

He, of course, is a liar.

Project 2025 clearly states a nationwide ban will be implemented.

the comstock act doesn't need a new law.

His likely AG or someone who will be high up in his administration will enforce the comstock act-he has said so.

So, no, ------- will implement a nationwide ban.

#106 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-21 10:10 AM

She could win over a lot of voters if she would unambiguously state what, if any, restrictions she supports. But she won't. She won't clearly state her views on any policy issue, especially this one.

#107 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 10:21 AM

She could win over a lot of voters if she would unambiguously state what, if any, restrictions she supports. But she won't. She won't clearly state her views on any policy issue, especially this one.

#107 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 10:21 AM | Reply |

It's too late now, dummy. It's a "state's rights" issue thanks to the neo-confederate weirdos Trump and W. put on the court.

#108 | Posted by anton at 2024-10-21 10:44 AM

#107 | Posted by visitor_

We covered this topic yesterday, you smooth-brained, mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger.

You're welcome.

Oh, and Happy Anniversary ! ! !

#109 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 10:53 AM

Unlike Trump, Kamala wants to pass a law at the national level.

#110 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 10:53 AM

"Project 2025 clearly states a nationwide ban will be implemented."

link

#111 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 10:55 AM

#110 | Posted by visitor_

We covered this topic yesterday, you smooth-brained, mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger.

You're welcome.

Oh, and Happy Anniversary ! ! !

#112 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 10:55 AM

"Kamala wants to pass a law at the national level."

#110 | Posted by visitor_

It is called Roe v. Wade.

Besides, we covered this topic yesterday, you smooth-brained, mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger.

You're welcome.

Oh, and Happy Anniversary ! ! !

#113 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 10:57 AM

Project 2025 was written by a think tank that has no association with Trump or his campaign. But anyway, you are incorrect as to what it says about abortion.

#114 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 10:58 AM

What does Project 2025 propose?
Project 2025 attempts to put "in one place a consensus view of how major federal agencies must be governed."

We cannot summarize all of its proposals, but here are some examples:

Abortion: Project 2025 describes the Dobbs decision, which overturned Roe v. Wade, as "just the beginning."

"Conservatives in the states and in Washington, including in the next conservative Administration, should push as hard as possible to protect the unborn in every jurisdiction in America," the book states. "In particular, the next conservative President should work with Congress to enact the most robust protections for the unborn that Congress will support while deploying existing federal powers to protect innocent life and vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion."

The book calls on the Department of Health and Human Services to protect "the health and well-being of all Americans," beginning at conception, and to end mandatory health insurance coverage of Ella, an emergency contraceptive that Project 2025 describes as a "potential abortifacient." It also advocates using an 1873 anti-vice law to block abortion pills from being sent via the mail. (More about that later.)

The book also calls for ending federal funding for "Planned Parenthood and all other abortion providers and redirect[ing] funding to health centers that provide real health care to women." As we have written before, Planned Parenthood provides more than abortion services. In its 2022-2023 annual report, Planned Parenthood said it provided 4.6 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections, 2.25 million contraception services, 464,021 cancer screenings and prevention services (mostly breast exams and Pap tests), and 1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services.

#115 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:01 AM

Project 2025's Distortion of a Reconstruction-Era Law Could Enact a National Abortion Ban
Remember, Adolph Hitler didn't clearly state "take all the Jews you find, gas them, then incinerate them."

Nope. You won't find those clear, exact words in any of Hitler's writings or speeches.

But just how did that turn out, eberly?

#116 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:02 AM

www.factcheck.org

#117 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:04 AM

#114 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag: 100% oops

Oh, and Happy Anniversary ! ! !

#118 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:04 AM

#117 | Posted by eberly

Abortion: Project 2025 describes the Dobbs decision, which overturned Roe v. Wade, as "just the beginning."

"Conservatives in the states and in Washington, including in the next conservative Administration, should push as hard as possible to protect the unborn in every jurisdiction in America," the book states. "In particular, the next conservative President should work with Congress to enact the most robust protections for the unborn that Congress will support while deploying existing federal powers to protect innocent life and vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion."

The book calls on the Department of Health and Human Services to protect "the health and well-being of all Americans," beginning at conception, and to end mandatory health insurance coverage of Ella, an emergency contraceptive that Project 2025 describes as a "potential abortifacient." It also advocates using an 1873 anti-vice law to block abortion pills from being sent via the mail. (More about that later.)

The book also calls for ending federal funding for "Planned Parenthood and all other abortion providers and redirect[ing] funding to health centers that provide real health care to women." As we have written before, Planned Parenthood provides more than abortion services. In its 2022-2023 annual report, Planned Parenthood said it provided 4.6 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections, 2.25 million contraception services, 464,021 cancer screenings and prevention services (mostly breast exams and Pap tests), and 1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services.

#119 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:08 AM

116

easy there. Can we at least try to avoid making a Hitler reference on every single subject?

Truth said "project 2025 clearly states..."

Where does it clearly state it? That's my question.

If you need to run to what Hitler didn't publicly admit to then it's irrelevant what project 2025 says. You can just insert what it doesn't say.

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:09 AM

#117 | Posted by eberly

Abortion: Project 2025 describes the Dobbs decision, which overturned Roe v. Wade, as "just the beginning." ...

... The book also calls for ending federal funding for "Planned Parenthood and all other abortion providers and redirect[ing] funding to health centers that provide real health care to women." As we have written before, Planned Parenthood provides more than abortion services. In its 2022-2023 annual report, Planned Parenthood said it provided 4.6 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections, 2.25 million contraception services, 464,021 cancer screenings and prevention services (mostly breast exams and Pap tests), and 1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services.

Yep.

Project 2025 = --- WOMEN

Authors of Project 2025 = VOTE FOR TRUMP

Thanks for posting that, eberly

#121 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:12 AM

"Truth said "project 2025 clearly states..." -

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: Concepts too difficult for Eb

#122 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:14 AM

Hans, you've been trolling on this site for almost 20 years. What a sad waste of your life. Couldn't you be doing something more productive with your time? In other words, be better.

#123 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-21 11:17 AM

"Can we at least try to avoid making a Hitler reference on every single subject?" -

#120 | Posted by eberly (new) at 2024-10-21 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag: Eb smiles for the camera

#124 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:18 AM

Hans, you've been trolling on this site for almost 20 years."

#123 | Posted by visitor_

Well, so have you, brother.

Happy Anniversary

#125 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:20 AM

Okay....you're a pretty creepy dude, Hans. The links are really creepy.

I don't have any doubts the authors of project 2025 want a ban on abortion even though I don't know that.....because they aren't willing to say that.

it's not clearly said. Is it implied? Sure.

But they are deliberately avoided outright calling for a nationwide ban. Not sure what that's so hostile when you consider the other goals clearly listed throughout the plan. Maybe it's about what's realistic and they don't consider it such. I don't know.

but if you need to post some more creep stuff.....have fun.

Question for you though...has this posting style and the borderline stalking you seem to be engaging in gotten you tossed from other sites?

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:20 AM

Project 2025

"Announcing a Campaign to Enforce Criminal Prohibitions in 18 U.S. Code 1461 and 1462 Against Providers and Distributors of Abortion Pills That Use the Mail. Federal law prohibits mailing "[e]very article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing which is advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for producing abortion." Following the Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs, there is now no federal prohibition on the enforcement of this statute. The Department of Justice in the next conservative Administration should therefore announce its intent to enforce federal law against providers and distributors of such pills."

The Comstock Act commonly refers to a set of two anti-obscenity laws that are officially codified as 18 U.S.C. 1461 and 1462, with the U.S. Postal Service charged with its enforcement. Notably, Comstock has never been used to prosecute the mailing of abortion-related materials. Even though decades of judicial, congressional, and agency interpretation have reduced Comstock to an unenforceable relic, ultimately, far-right extremists plan to avoid the legislative process entirely and misapply the law to criminalize the mailing of items related to abortion in the mail.

"..."[e]very article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing..."

Like someone to explain how an abortion can be performed without a "thing".

#127 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-21 11:21 AM

"The links are really creepy." -

#126 | Posted by eberly (new)

Thanks for the clicks.

As the saying goes, if the shoe fits...

#128 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:22 AM

Hans, you've been trolling on this site for almost 20 years. What a sad waste of your life. Couldn't you be doing something more productive with your time? In other words, be better.

#123 | Posted by visitor_

Visitor, you've been confirmed stupid and ignorant on this very thread. The stupidity is baked in, so there isn't much you can do about that. The ignorance can be addressed through reading. Be better.

#129 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-21 11:22 AM

"if the shoe fits.."

I'm sorry....what are you saying?

can you try responding once without any creepy links?

#130 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:24 AM

"I don't have any doubts the authors of project 2025 want a ban on abortion even though I don't know that.....because they aren't willing to say that."

- #126 | Posted by eberly (new) | Flag: Sophist: a person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments

Too easy.

#131 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:25 AM

127

You're arguing that criminalizing the mailing of abortion pills is "clearly calling for a nationwide ban on abortion"?

#132 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:26 AM

Educate yourself

www.nytimes.com

The lawyer for Mr. Trump, Jonathan F. Mitchell, 47, is best known for drafting anti-abortion laws that ultimately led the Supreme Court to abolish the constitutional right to the procedure.

One of those laws, Senate Bill 8, was engineered in part by Mr. Mitchell and led to a near-total ban on abortion in Texas. He also worked on similar laws in other states.

www.aclu.org

"We don't need [Congress to pass] a federal ban when we have Comstock on the books."

Mitchell wants Trump and anti-abortion groups to "keep their mouths shut [on Comstock] as much as possible until the election." Once in office, they plan to shut down abortion care nationwide without any need for congressional action.

If you don't think Mitchell will hold a top position in a 2nd ------- administration are well, an idiot.

Oh, btw, the SC and lower courts are already alluding to the Comstock Act in arguments about abortion.

#133 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-21 11:27 AM

#130 | Posted by eberly

You're welcome

#134 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:27 AM

131

so is that like the 3rd time you are calling me a Nazi camp worker exterminating jews?

Jesus, you just exposed yourself to being outright the most creepy and ---ed up poster on this site.

WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not even disagreeing with you on a subject. I'm not attacking anybody or a ideology or policy.

I asked a question as to what exactly project 2025 says and you label me a concentration camp worker?

Holy ---.

I don't believe in signs......but this is a sign.

You're the anti-christ, satan, etc.......not interested.

Truth tried to out the identity of another poster here recently. That was bad enough.

but you are capable of much worse............

I'm done for a while.

Have fun everyone.

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 11:31 AM

Let's play the hypothetical game.

Trump wins, the GOP takes the Senate and keeps the House.

Even if they went full out for a national ban Democrats still have the filibuster in the Senate. Well, maybe. The GOP could quote the likes of Barack Obama calling it a racist relic of the past and quoting all sorts of other Democrats who called for it to be nuked when the Senate was 50-50 and they had the VP tie breaker.

Manchin and Sinema were the only ones preventing that and they are both about gone.

Also in this scenario the GOP could put out quotes from all sorts of Dems calling to expand SCOTUS, nuke the filibuster and just do it. Honestly, I don't want them to but I DO want them to bluff that they will just to watch you hacks squirm.

#136 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-21 11:36 AM

Project 2025 was written by a think tank that has no association with Trump or his campaign. But anyway, you are incorrect as to what it says about abortion.

Posted by visitor_

#137 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-21 11:41 AM

"so is that like the 3rd time you are calling me a Nazi camp worker exterminating jews?" -

#135 | Posted by eberly (new)

Nope.

I'm calling you a Sonderkommando, who were Jews still healthy enough to clean out the gas chambers and put the bodies in a crematorium for an extra slice of bread, for an extra day of life

You're a sophist, a person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments.

"I don't have any doubts the authors of project 2025 want a ban on abortion even though I don't know that.....because they aren't willing to say that." - Just like Hitler wasn't willing to say what he really wanted to do to the Jews.
And to what end are you being a sophist? For an extra slice of bread, or an extra day of life? For "respect" from the likes of visitor_?

Why don't you just join your brothers-in-arms, admit you completely and fully support the Kumquat Pol Pot, and stop being clever and cute by half.

#138 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 11:43 AM

Here's the far more likely hypothetical.

The DoJ will enforce the Comstock Act. Mifepristone will be outlawed.

The case will be litigated to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court will find its banning to be constitutional.

The Comstock Act will be expanded to include bans on Misoprostol, medical equipment used in abortion procedures and pornography.

Jeff will be fine with it.

#139 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-21 11:50 AM

No one needs Project 2025 to understand what the extreme anti-abortion GOPers are going to do next. Just look to what Justices Thomas and Alito have telegraphed from the bench.

Antiabortion activists have spent several years resurrecting the Comstock Act, arguing that a future Republican administration could use the 151-year-old law to block the mailing of all abortion-related drugs and materials to effectively ban abortions nationwide.

The Supreme Court may be about to hand them a legal road map.

Justices Samuel A. Alito Jr. and Clarence Thomas repeatedly invoked the Comstock Act during Tuesday's oral arguments regarding the abortion drug mifepristone, pressing lawyers about whether the 1873 federal law should apply to abortion drugs sent through the mail today.

Mar 26, 2024

Some of us read articles beyond those that make daily headlines. I'd advise all citizens to do so as to not be caught unaware of what's being done in the shadows to take away rights from Americans as conservatives seem to always want to do.

#140 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-21 11:54 AM

And this is why Dems continue to ruin the country. Reps went overboard in their response to the decision, no doubt, and they should be held accountable. But abortion rights are NOT in any way, shape, or form something that threatens our country. Just like pronoun use. Just like trans funding in prisons. And on and on and on. Sure, they are something to fight for if it is an important topic to you but clinging to these things as if our country is ruined if we don't do something about it that Dems agree with is...and I'm saying it bluntly which is the only way to really get the truth across...STUPID.

There are many other topics that threaten this country's livelihood and existence. And it isn't these social issues. So while Dems continue to place more priority on these issues than things like illegal immigration (which we have countless examples of how it is hurting people directly), economy (which some prominent Dems are on record saying that is a low priority for this voting cycle), sex trafficking (which is only increasing), etc., this country is actually being hurt.

If you truly believe abortion is a national crisis that has any tangible way of hurting the entity known as America, please please please don't vote. Abortion and the other examples I gave are myopic issues intrinsic to the individual level, not a holistic crisis that negatively impacts the infrastructure and architecture of any country.

#141 | Posted by humtake at 2024-10-21 12:10 PM

I'm calling you a Sonderkommando, who were Jews still healthy enough to clean out the gas chambers and put the bodies in a crematorium for an extra slice of bread, for an extra day of life

You're going way too far with that. Also, Eberly hates trump and said he will be voting for Kamala.

#142 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 12:24 PM

What 'threatens our country' is a criminal traitor who hates democracy being installed as Pres again.

#143 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 12:34 PM

Project 2025 was written by a think tank that has no association with Trump or his campaign.

A "think tank" is made up of people.

Former President Donald Trump says he knows "nothing about" a conservative policy blueprint and has "no idea who is behind it."

But the authors include Trump's former Cabinet secretaries, top White House officials and senior aides " including former Trump appointees to EPA, the Interior Department and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.

#144 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-21 12:55 PM

Shall we play a game?

Can you spot the difference?

"I don't have any doubts the authors of project 2025 want a ban on abortion ,even though I don't know that.....because they aren't willing to say that." - #126 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21
And ...
"I don't have any doubts the author of Mein Kampf wanted to kill all European Jews ,even though I don't know that.....because he isn't willing to say that." - #126 | Posted by eberly, sr. at 1938-10-10
Hint: the dates posted give you an important clue.

BONUS: At which one of Germany's mass deportation camps (1933-1945) was this quote discovered written on a barracks wall:

"So, God wants me to ask for forgiveness? Maybe He's the one who needs to ask for forgiveness."
. Good luck!

#145 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 01:18 PM

Eberly is Latin for pedantic

#146 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-10-21 01:31 PM

Eberly is Latin for "---------- Truthhurts".

#147 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-21 09:15 PM

Twoothy would literally suck any of those guys off to be friends.

If Hans ever went after Twoothy....he'd leave. He couldn't handle it.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:20 PM

Posted by eberly (top of the bigly newist) | Flag: damnant quod non intellegunt

#149 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:22 PM

You're going way too far with that. Also, Eberly hates trump and said he will be voting for Kamala.

#142 | Posted by Alexandrite

Hans doesn't care. He just wants attention. He's willing to accuse me of anything for my attention.

#150 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:26 PM

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: Unintended consequences

Thank you for constantly replying to me, eberly!

Our host, no doubt, appreciates the traffic.

(Did you really spend the day thinking about just the perfect retort to me? Really? That's delicious, eberly)

#151 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:41 PM

Our host, no doubt, appreciates the traffic.

by killing every thread?

Because that's all you do.

I can't wait for Snoofy to come back so you and he can play.

#152 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:44 PM

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: Advice, seriously...

#153 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:44 PM

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: For all that is holy, Eb...

#154 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:46 PM

HANS thinks he's in touch with dignity?

With this horrendous pathetic attempt for attention?

thread after thread?

You think anybody here, including the host, has any appreciation for this behavior?

You post fast
You post cute links

And clearly you want recognition for it.

Everyone thinks you're a psycho begging for attention. Nothing more.

#155 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:49 PM

"by killing every thread?" -

#152 | Posted by eberly

You cannot give as much as you, supposedly, take?

That's a really impotent reply, eberly.

Of all the posters here, I expected more from you.

Much more.

#156 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:50 PM

HANS thinks he's in touch with dignity?

With this horrendous pathetic attempt for attention?

thread after thread?

You think anybody here, including the host, has any appreciation for this behavior?

You post fast
You post cute links

And clearly you want recognition for it.

Everyone thinks you're a psycho begging for attention. Nothing more.

#155 | Posted by eberly

Beverly, what color are the walls in your very own special echo chamber?

#157 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-21 09:52 PM

Eberly,

Hans expected a little bit more from a varsity letterman.

#158 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-21 09:53 PM

#155 | Posted by Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Who would have expected that response?

#159 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:54 PM

#157 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-21 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag: #StrongerTogether

#160 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:54 PM

#158 | Posted by JeffJ at 2024-10-20 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Please give us a reason why anyone should read - (much less respect) - whatever you say when you're unwilling to respond to this?

#161 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:55 PM

157

Who are you? I didn't assault you in this lifetime. It was obviously a prior one....either way....stay on the porch, boy.

#162 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:56 PM

#157 | Posted by billy_boy at 2024-10-21 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag: #StrongerTogether

Better make friends with him, Billy.

Otherwise, it's "It puts the lotion on the skin...."

#163 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:57 PM

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: damnant quod non intellegunt

#164 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:58 PM

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: damnant quod non intellegunt

#165 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:58 PM

-That's a really impotent reply

You kill every thread.

Before long, everyone will be begging for snoofy to come back.

In fact, there is no way you're intellectually capable of posting on topic.

Instead it's all your cute little links deflecting every thread you're on.

#166 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:58 PM

Why is everything on a personal level with Bev?

Splinter in his ass from sitting on that fence all these years.

#167 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 09:59 PM

I would like to see snoofy return. He drives up post counts for sure and he keeps et al away.

#168 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-21 10:00 PM

eberly & Lightwhater conference (for God's sake, NSFW)

#169 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 10:01 PM

Doctor who refuse to preform abortions in order to save their patients life are cowards.

Personhood isn't granted until birth. Prior to that they're only a concept. A potential person.

Sacrificing a real person because their bodies are mid process of creating a potential person is absolutely absurd.

#170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-21 10:02 PM

-Splinter in his ass from sitting on that fence all these years.

That would imply I'm uncomfortable being a fence sitter.

#171 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 10:03 PM

Splinter, the Rat from TMNT?

Talk about your Richard Gere fantasies.

#172 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-21 10:06 PM

#166 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:58 PM | Flag: You're welcome

#173 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 10:08 PM

It revolves around the concept of "settled law". If there is no such thing, and this latest version of the Supreme Corrupt Court is clearly taking that position, then the law is just what those in power say it is, the rule of law is nonsense peddled by power hungry dangerous people.

#174 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-10-22 07:06 AM

"It revolves around the concept of "settled law". If there is no such thing, and this latest version of the Supreme Corrupt Court is clearly taking that position, then the law is just what those in power say it is, the rule of law is nonsense peddled by power hungry dangerous people.

#174 | Posted by Hughmass | Flag: Unbelievably Newsworthy

Thanks for posting that, Hughmass.

I have always maintained this absolute truth

The US Constitution means only what 5 or more people say it means. Nothing more, nothing less.
The ----------- and womens' rights deniers think they're all in the "right" today?

I'm sure they feel the exact same way as the segregationists felt in 1896.

Good post, Hughmass.

#StrongerTogether

#175 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 09:52 AM

"That would imply I'm uncomfortable being a fence sitter." -

#171 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag: "The only thing down the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead armadillos." - Jim Hightower

#176 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 10:17 AM

"You're going way too far with that. Also, Eberly hates trump and said he will be voting for Kamala."

#142 | Posted by Alexandrite

Reminds me:

There two - and only two - things I cannot stand about eberly:

His face

Perhaps I'm getting less tolerant, in an inverted way, as my age increases.

The things he posted here (about 2025 + abortion) were anything but "hating" Trump.

#177 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 06:15 PM

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