Sunday, August 11, 2024

Harris copies Trump to ban taxes on tips rally

Vice President Kamala Harris pledged to eliminate taxes on tips in the service and hospitality sectors if she wins the presidency, echoing the same proposal former President Donald Trump announced months earlier. Both candidates promised tax-free tips at separate rallies in Las Vegas, making a direct appeal to voters in Nevada, a key battleground state where the hospitality industry employs roughly a quarter of the state's workforce, according to June employment numbers. "It is my promise to everyone here, when I am president, we will continue our fight for working families of America; including to raise the minimum wage, and eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers," Harris said at her Las Vegas rally on Saturday, which drew a crowd of over 12,000, according to the campaign.

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You mad, bro? You sound mad.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-11 02:48 PM

I can guarantee you if Harris puts a plan out to ban taxes on tips it'll be ONLY for actual service and hospitality workers, maids, servers, the low end earners. It won't be Trump's plan where hedge fund managers end their service fees and take "tips."

You know who else would love Trump's "tip" plan? SCOTUS would love Trump's BS plan, now that they've ruled they can receive "gratuities" after the deliver and that's legal. Trump would make that "gratuity" tax free.

The two sides aren't even close.

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-11 02:59 PM

@#2

Yup.

If VP Harris implements the plan, it will benefit actual service and hospitality workers.

If fmr Pres Trump implements the plan, well, what group(s) have his prior tax decreases benefited?


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-11 06:23 PM

So they get tax cuts AND they don't have to vote for a senile, obese, orange bag of racist pus?

Sounds like a win/win.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-08-11 07:09 PM

Harris copies Trump's promise on no tax for tips
www.axios.com

... Vice President Kamala Harris in Nevada on Saturday promised to eliminate taxes on tips, two months after former President Trump promised to do the same.

Why it matters: Their rare point of agreement underscores the bipartisan popularity of the novel piece of economic policy.

- - - "It is my promise to everyone here when I am president we will continue to fight for working families, including to raise the minimum wage and eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers," Harris told a crowd 12,000 people in University of Nevada in Las Vegas on Saturday.

- - - "This was a TRUMP idea - She has no ideas, she can only steal from me," Trump wrote on TruthSocial, accusing Harris of taking the position for "Political Purposes."

Zoom in: Harris was endorsed by Nevada's powerful Culinary Union on Saturday, which represents 60,000 hospitality workers. ...



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-11 07:14 PM

@#5 ... Harris was endorsed by Nevada's powerful Culinary Union on Saturday, which represents 60,000 hospitality workers. ...

So the service workers seem to believe VP Harris more than they believe fmr Pres trump on this matter.

Maybe fmr Pres Trump's incessant lying is catching up with him in the eyes of voters?

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-11 07:17 PM

Sorry to rain on Gracie's parade (not really) but the idea to eliminate federal income tax on tips wasn't Trump's to begin with.

Trump Says 'No Taxes On Tips' Was His Idea. It Was A GOP Candidate's Proposal Years Ago

The alleged "TRUMP idea" arrives years after ex-Republican presidential candidate and former Rep. Ron Paul, in a Jan. 2012 op-ed, called it an "outrage" that wait staff and other service workers had to pay taxes on tips they earned on the clock.

The ex-Texas lawmaker, in 2007 and years thereafter, introduced legislation in Congress that looked to exempt tips from federal income and payroll taxes.

"That's because I understand ending taxes on tips will give these workers a pay raise, letting them keep more money to put toward things like a house or car payment, their retirement, or their own and/or their children's education," wrote Paul in the Las Vegas Sun op-ed.

Congressional records also show that at least one other lawmaker has called for no taxes on tips as former Rep. Phil Crane (R-Ill.) pushed the proposal back in 1982.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-11 07:38 PM

Sorry to rain on Gracie's parade (not really) but the idea to eliminate federal income tax on tips wasn't Trump's to begin with.

It's perfectly reasonable to claim Harris is copying Trumps policy, and hence his idea to put it in Presidential policy.

Let's not forget Harris signed the bill that put 87,000 new IRS agents into play, their task, well one of them was to go after TIPS.

IRS introduces new service industry tip reporting program
www.irs.gov

Known as snitching.

I am sure you and Gaslighter were all about the "happiness and joy" of 87,000 new IRS agents working investigating the snitch's claims.

This is what happens when you have no principles, your idols can hang you out to dry. Now you look stupid.

Personally I think it's a dumb idea, how can the IRS track "tips". I see tips now for everything. If it comes on a CC, it should be taxed.

Can I write software for $10,000 and get a $2,000 tip? Its a dumb idea.

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-11 08:43 PM

@#5 ... Harris was endorsed by Nevada's powerful Culinary Union on Saturday, which represents 60,000 hospitality workers. ...
So the service workers seem to believe VP Harris more than they believe fmr Pres trump on this matter.
~ Gaslighter

You really are clueless.

Who cares what the head of a union pledge support to, its a political calculation, not for the members benefit

#9 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-11 08:46 PM


Service Industry Tip Compliance Agreement (SITCA) program, a voluntary tip reporting program between the IRS and employers in various service industries.

*The proposed program would also decrease taxpayer and IRS administrative burdens and provide more transparency and certainty to taxpayers. The proposed program includes several features:

*The monitoring of employer compliance based on actual annual tip revenue and charge tip data from an employer's point-of-sale system, and allowance for adjustments in tipping practices from year to year.

*Participating employers demonstrate compliance with the program requirements by submitting an annual report after the close of the calendar year, which reduces the need for compliance reviews by the IRS.

*Participating employers receive protection from liability under the rules that define tips as part of an employee's pay for calendar years in which they remain compliant with program requirements.

Participating employers have flexibility to implement employee tip reporting policies that are best suited for their employees and their business model in accordance with the section of the tax law that requires employees to report tips to their employers.

The intent of the SITCA program is to serve as the sole tip reporting compliance program for employers in various service industries and would replace the following programs:

*Tip Rate Determination Agreement (TRDA)
*Tip Reporting Alternative Commitment (TRAC)
*Employer designed TRAC (EmTRAC)

www.irs.gov

Does anyone see a single word about snitching, and it ONLY pertains to employers and the Government, not employees. It streamlines the then-existent tip reporting process and consolidated them under one program.

And Harris hasn't signed a single bill in her life because she's not the President.

Other than that, everything you just wrote is complete garbage and shows zero understanding of a simple public notice placed for comment during the period designated between proposal and implementation of the program.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-11 08:59 PM

@#9 ... You really are clueless. ...

Am I?

Or is that all your current alias has to counter what I said. An ad hominem attack.

... Who cares what the head of a union pledge support to, its a political calculation, not for the members benefit ...

While I do agree that the members of the union are under no obligation to vote as their elected leader proffers, I do have to ask ...

Not for the members benefit?

Really?

How does your current alias substantiate that assertion?


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-11 08:59 PM

It's perfectly reasonable to claim Harris is copying Trumps policy

To my understanding, that isn't 100% correct. Harris' proposal is limited to lower income workers with a designated earnings cap in the low 6 figure range.

Trump's proposal will not have a cap and will be designed so that even upper 6- and 7- figure earners can reclassify some of their irregular compensation - read bonuses - as tipped income, thereby paying no income tax at all on those earnings.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-11 09:34 PM

@#12 ... Trump's proposal will not have a cap and will be designed so that even upper 6- and 7- figure earners can reclassify some of their irregular compensation - read bonuses - as tipped income, thereby paying no income tax at all on those earnings. ...

Typical of fmr Pres Trump ...

Fmr Pres trump touting tax benefits for the low- and middle-class so that those tax benefits can be exploited by the wealthy.

 


The 2017 Trump Tax Law Was Skewed to the Rich, Expensive, and Failed to Deliver on Its Promises (June 2024)
www.cbpp.org

...As this debate unfolds, policymakers and the public should understand that the 2017 Trump tax law:

- - - Was skewed to the rich. Households with incomes in the top 1 percent will receive an average tax cut of more than $60,000 in 2025, compared to an average tax cut of less than $500 for households in the bottom 60 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center (TPC).[1] As a share of after-tax income, tax cuts at the top " for both households in the top 1 percent and the top 5 percent " are more than triple the total value of the tax cuts received for people with incomes in the bottom 60 percent.[2]

- - - Was expensive and eroded the U.S. revenue base. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated in 2018 that the 2017 law would cost $1.9 trillion over ten years,[3] and recent estimates show that making the law's temporary individual income and estate tax cuts permanent would cost another roughly $400 billion a year beginning in 2027.[4] Together with the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts enacted under President Bush (most of which were made permanent in 2012), the law has severely eroded our country's revenue base. Revenue as a share of GDP has fallen from about 19.5 percent in the years immediately preceding the Bush tax cuts to just 16.3 percent in the years immediately following the Trump tax cuts, with revenues expected to rise to an annual average of 16.9 percent of GDP in 2018-2026 (excluding pandemic years), according to CBO. This is simply not enough revenue given the nation's investment needs and our commitments to Social Security and health coverage.

- - - Failed to deliver promised economic benefits. Trump Administration officials claimed their centerpiece corporate tax rate cut would "very conservatively" lead to a $4,000 boost in household income.[5] New research shows that workers who earned less than about $114,000 on average in 2016 saw "no change in earnings" from the corporate tax rate cut, while top executive salaries increased sharply.[6] Similarly, rigorous research concluded that the tax law's 20 percent pass-through deduction, which was skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, has largely failed to trickle down to workers in those companies who aren't owners.[7]

Like the Bush tax cuts before it,[8] the 2017 Trump tax cut was a trickle-down failure. ...



#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-11 10:14 PM

Russian stooges are panicking.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-11 10:42 PM

Under Dotard's plan, think of all the multimillionaires in realestate sales, financial brokerages, high-end auto sales, yacht sales, etc. who could recast their taxible comissions as tax-free tips. And of course Dotard would find a way to screw the little guys, low-income earners who rely on their tips to survive. Probably, he would make it so the tax break kicks in at $100K, because that's exactly the kind of thing the orange diaper sharter and the Fabulous Maybelline Man would do, screw over the the little guy in favor of their rich political donors.

#15 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-08-12 12:39 AM

Removing tips from taxation is something that will benefit working men and women in the middle and lower class jobs all across the US.

Look for the GQP to block it.

I doubt it will pass, but if it does I am changing how I charge ... $39 for the 1040 and $650 tip.

#16 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-12 08:25 AM

-Trump's proposal will not have a cap and will be designed so that even upper 6- and 7- figure earners can reclassify some of their irregular compensation - read bonuses - as tipped income, thereby paying no income tax at all on those earnings.

Good luck passing that.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-12 09:06 AM

You think they'd have a problem passing that if The GOP has control of Congress and the Presidency? Especially in light of SCOTUS recent rulings? Interesting view, but I don't see why you think they'd have any issue passing it.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-12 09:21 AM

Good luck passing that.

I'll post it later when I find it again, but the Republican notion with eliminating taxes on tips is to use the law to reclassify any number of high paying commission-based occupations to fit into the tip categories, like real estate agents, brokers and such.

It's no different than Trump's tax cuts. As long as Joe Sixpack sees a nickel in it for himself, he won't notice the dollars going to the already wealthier who don't need them.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-12 09:28 AM

This is an awful plan that throws the can in the ditch and ignores the real problems instead of solving them.

It will incentivize low wages and tip collection, essentially leaving the financial fortunes of the largest sector of our economy subject to the daily whims of the consumers.

Huge portions of the service industry aren't tipped as a norm and likely won't be in the future.

Be honest, how many here would actually pay a tip to a cashier or a fast food worker? What happens when all those folk's income drops because they're not paid wages for a tipped employee? How much do you honestly think prices will drop when or if that happens?

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-12 06:49 PM

It will incentivize low wages and tip collection, essentially leaving the financial fortunes of the largest sector of our economy subject to the daily whims of the consumers.

Nothing was going to change that anyways.

#21 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-13 08:50 AM

As long as Joe Sixpack sees a nickel in it for himself, he won't notice the dollars going to the already wealthier who don't need them.

Then the resulting deficit can be used to kill social security and medicare.

It's a win win win for the GQP.

#22 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-13 08:51 AM

Trump's proposal will not have a cap

Of course it won't. The goal is to ALWAYS cut taxes for millionaires.

The GQP has always used the tax cut of $100 to get the middle class to clamor for a tax cut of $300,000 for billionaires.

#23 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-13 08:53 AM

Nothing was going to change that anyways.

That's not correct. What changes things is obvious: Raising the minimum wage to a living wage and eliminating the tipped minimum wage altogether.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-13 08:55 AM

Bingo.

This doesn't address the real problem, it entrenches it.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-13 09:36 AM

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