Thursday, September 19, 2024

J.D. Vance's Weak Excuse for 'Pet Eating' Lie Just Blew Up In His Face

Greg Sargent: At bottom, Vance's whole purpose of running with the grotesque pet-eating lie has not been to draw attention to the story of Springfield, but to rewrite it.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 09:31 PM | 27 COMMENTS | permalink

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I think I understand what Vance is saying: When an event/situation/person does not comport with your political narrative, it's okay to lie that it does by creating "alternative facts" if that lying serves as a means to an end ... collateral damage be damned.

He sure does sound like someone in thrall to roaring sociopathic tendencies.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-09-19 11:50 AM

More from the cited article...

... For instance, take Vance's most basic assertion"that the media wasn't covering the Haitian influx into Springfield before the pet-eating claim took off.

This itself is nonsense.

There were already national media stories analyzing it in depth, including ones that credited Vance himself with drawing attention to it in other, less dubious ways.

What Vance really objected to is that these stories portrayed the situation as nuanced"as a development with mixed but largely good effects"rather than as a purely negative one. ...

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-19 12:04 PM

One day Nasrudin and his friends decided to play a joke on the people in a village. So Nasrudin drew a crowd, and lied to them about a gold mine in a certain place. When everybody ran to get their hands on the gold, Nasrudin started running with them. When asked by his friends why he was following them, he said "So many people believed it, that I think it may be true!"
savitri.in

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-09-19 12:14 PM

Vance Says He Will Keep Calling Haitians Legally in Springfield Illegal'
The immigrants are mainly in the United States under temporary protected status, which the executive branch can grant to people whose home countries are in crisis.
www.nytimes.com

Senator JD Vance of Ohio, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, said on Wednesday that he would continue to describe Haitian residents in Springfield, Ohio, as "illegal aliens" even though most of them are in the country legally.

The immigrants are mainly in the United States under a program called temporary protected status, which the executive branch can grant to people whose home countries are in crisis. Mr. Vance claimed falsely that this program was illegal.

"If Kamala Harris waves the wand illegally and says these people are now here legally, I'm still going to call them an illegal alien," he said in response to a reporter's question after a rally in Raleigh, N.C. "An illegal action from Kamala Harris does not make an alien legal."

Congress created the temporary protected status program in 1990 and presidents from both major parties have used it in response to wars, natural disasters and other humanitarian crises in various countries. The program allows people from countries designated by the Department of Homeland Security to live and work legally in the United States for 18 months, a period that the department can renew indefinitely. It does not include a path to permanent residency or citizenship.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-09-19 12:25 PM

Vance Says He Will Keep Calling Haitians Legally in Springfield Illegal'

So will our resident deplorable trumping MAGAts.

Klans gonna Klan.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-19 12:27 PM

@#1 ... I think I understand what Vance is saying: When an event/situation/person does not comport with your political narrative, it's okay to lie ...

Well, yeah.

While it is great that Sen Vance admits that, there's more to discuss here.

I'll start with...

Welcome to MAGA.


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-19 09:53 PM

@#5 ... So will our resident deplorable trumping MAGAts. ...

... and why do you think the Trump campaign has been striving to keep this issue at the forefront?

Because it detracts from the abortion issue, the issue that they seem to realize may not be in their favor (I may understate).


So, all the discussions about eating pets are little more that MAGA trying to change to topic away from their losing topic.


I mean, can they be anymore obvious in that?

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-19 09:58 PM

Being an ------- liar seems to be a prerequisite in today's MAGA-controlled GOP.

Trump made it okay for any politician to say anything they know isn't true.

#8 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-20 12:47 AM

The Springfield story has been pretty much debunked by now, along with the reasons for making up the lie. It had a short life, as political scandals go.

Vance seems to have bad political judgment issues. Now he looks and sounds like a fool. Hardly a fit reputation for a "first in line." Especially with assassins coming out of the woodwork.

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-09-20 02:57 AM

They are just modeling after their Master, Unity...
They a mimicking Trump, because hate works!
At least amongst their base...

Where the rest of us have to stop it, is to make sure
it only includes their crazy frothing at the mouth base.
Whenever they try to sway the Independents, another voice
must be there to call out their racist hatred for what it is,
to show that it is just 'race baiting', and an attempt to
turn one set of people against another.

Ask them, 'what good did Trump's policies actually do for America?'
He built a part of a wall which is a joke, which the American taxpayer
paid for. He swindled millions of U.S. dollars from people, he separated
Latino families from Latino children, deporting many in an blatant attempt
to destroy families. And every single business he has ever touched has either
failed, or barely slogged along, just keeping its head above the water.

He is terrible for America. Terrible to our allies, especially in Europe.
Terrible to our alliances, to NATO, to the U.N., just terrible. There is
NO REASON to vote for the man other than Racist Hatred of non-whites. That
is it!

Shove that in their pipe and let them toke on it for awhile...

#10 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-09-20 06:52 AM

To those space aliens out there who might be a little confused about what the hell our political season is about: The US was established as a white supremacist, male supremacist, empire for the very rich. Then some of us started taking the concept of democracy seriously, and then women got the vote, and those with Black and Brown skins were "allowed" to vote and own property and slavery was abolished. However there is still a core group of states where that change is not well accepted, so racism is once again being voted on, though the white supremacist vote is not called that, it is called, voting Republican. America's electoral system, set up by slave owners, favors the racist states, so it may be that the racist gang will win.

#11 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-09-20 07:08 AM

He is a lying sack of crap just like donOLD. Jethro Dull lied about this story, admitted he made it up and then keeps doubling down on the racism when it all collapses under the spotlight of truth.

This is what the GOP voters say reflects their values:

Lying
Racism
Hate
Violence
Chaos
Bomb threats
Nazis

Just when you think these two turds hit the bottom of the septic tank of the GOP, they pull out shovels and start tunnelling.

It is no long a referendum about their morals. It is now a referendum on whether moral integrity means anything to the voters.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-20 07:35 AM

Vance Says He Will Keep Calling Haitians Legally in Springfield Illegal'

Jethro Dull is and I never thought this was possible worse than Fat Nixon.

These are his own constituents he is throwing under the bus for the orange sack of crap.

I don't know how his wife can stand him supporting such racist trash.

I guess money and power mean more to them than truth, decency and morals.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-20 07:40 AM

I don't know how his wife can stand him supporting such racist trash.

#13 | Posted by Nixon

MAGA has been down on him for having a wife that's not white.

JD is ambitious: he'll divorce her of he has to.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-20 08:49 AM

First off Marianne Williamson (Dem PRES Candidate) substantiated the Haitian culture of eating pets and other animals as a witchcraft thing. The same lying media that claimed the border patrol was whipping illegals is the same lying politicized media that now says Haitians never do this. The Dem news media is a fraud until proven otherwise.

www.hindustantimes.com

#15 | Posted by Robson at 2024-09-20 08:25 PM

---- off, idiot.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-21 04:55 AM

The lying media just can't stop lying. Creating a story out of an issue is not "fabricating" a story. I love how Vance actually used language to confuse the media ----- and actually made them believe he was admitting to lying when he was not. It just shows how underhanded and stupid the media has become.

#17 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-09-21 06:25 AM

#17
Morning, JayVee.

#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-09-21 06:34 AM

Gotta say, though. #17 defending Vance for not lying when Vance has proudly admitted lying does seem a bit like limping behind the curve.
So sad.

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-09-21 06:37 AM

Creating a story out of an issue is not "fabricating" a story.

#17 | Posted by THEBULL

Fiction writers do it all the time.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-21 07:57 AM

I love how Vance actually used language to confuse the media -----

#17 | Posted by THEBULL

BULL explains what hillbillies consider genius.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-21 07:59 AM

I love how Vance actually used language to confuse the media

He's certainly a----------------.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-21 08:06 AM

Hindustantimes, of COURSE!

Next, ROBSON will start quoting the Epoch Times and the Washington Examiner.

#23 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-09-21 07:58 PM

@#17 ... Creating a story out of an issue is not "fabricating" a story. ...

But creating a story out of nothing but such fabrication is lying.

Simple, plain lying.

So, what else yer got?


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 08:06 PM

@#17 ... he was admitting to lying when he was not. ...

Yeah, he was lying.

So, what else yer got?

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 08:07 PM

Creating a story out of an issue is not "fabricating" a story.

Sorry. What was the "issue" again? Haitians eating our pets because the man on tv said so?

Yeah. It was a lie. A total fabrication. Meant to focus attention away from Biden's booming economy.

And in case you haven't noticed. It's not working. Because it's the economy stupid. And the economy is gonna kick your stupid anti American arses.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-21 08:12 PM

@#25

Too Much Joy - That's a Lie (1988)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt...
genius.com

...
I'm tired of the stories that you always tell
Shakespeare couldn't tell a story that well
You're the largest liar that was ever created
You and Pinocchio are probably related

That's a Lie (Hey, that's me playing harmonica)
You're a liar (Yeah, and I wrote this song too)
Lie, Lie, Lie, That's a Lie (Really I did, LL Cool J was over my house)
You're a liar (...He heard me humming it. He said "Hey, that sounds good!")

You lie about the things you've lied about
You even lied to your aunt when you went down South
You lied and a bodybuilder kicked your butt
If you was in Egypt, you'd lie to King Tut
...


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 08:13 PM

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