Sunday, November 10, 2024

What Does It Mean That Donald Trump Is a Fascist?

Timothy Snyder: Trump takes the tools of dictators and adapts them for the Internet. We should expect him to try to cling to power until death, and create a cult of January 6th martyrs.

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Trump's skills and talents go unrecognized when we see him as a conventional candidate"a person who seeks to explain policies that might improve lives, or who works to create the appearance of empathy. Yet this is our shortcoming more than his. Trump has always been a presence, not an absence: the presence of fascism. What does this mean?

When the Soviets called their enemies "fascists," they turned the word into a meaningless insult. Putinist Russia has preserved the habit: a "fascist" is anyone who opposes the wishes of a Russian dictator. So Ukrainians defending their country from Russian invaders are "fascists." This is a trick that Trump has copied. He, like Vladimir Putin, refers to his enemies as "fascists," with no ideological significance at all. It is simply a term of opprobrium.

Putin and Trump are both, in fact, fascists. And their use of the word, though meant to confuse, reminds us of one of fascism's essential characteristics. A fascist is unconcerned with the connection between words and meanings. He does not serve the language; the language serves him. When a fascist calls a liberal a "fascist," the term begins to work in a different way, as the servant of a particular person, rather than as a bearer of meaning.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 11:27 AM

I found this passage to be spot on:

Fascism is now in the algorithms, the neural pathways, the social interactions. How did we fail to see all this?

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 12:14 PM

How did we fail to see all this?

Biden and democrats spent the past four years putting hearts on the White House lawn and ignoring the world around them.

Republicans have spend the past four decades reshaping local governments and the minds of small town / rural voters.

At this point. Might as well accept that the federal government will be no more and the future of this nation will be drastically different.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-09 12:52 PM

"Biden and democrats spent the past four years putting hearts on the White House lawn and ignoring the world around them."

They actually spent the time stabilzing the economy and helping working and middle class Americans. Unfortunately, that was not enough because a lot of people failed to see how well the American economy did rebound, especially in comparison to other countries around the world that were all also impacted by the covid pandemic and its aftermath. I heard someone say something the other day like: "Don't bring a policy wonk pen to a knife fight with a demagogue." Democrats thought that they could depend on the fact that they did deliever on the economy beyond most economists' expectations, but in a post-truth, post-fact world, none of that mattered. Trump appealed to people's emotions, the baser the better, and that is what proved to be the winning formula.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 01:03 PM

- ...in a post-truth, post-fact world, none of that mattered. Trump appealed to people's emotions, the baser the better, and that is what proved to be the winning formula.

That about covers it.

Apparently appealing to anti-intellectuals isn't all that difficult.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-09 01:18 PM

They actually spent the time stabilzing the economy

It's that why Americans can't afford eggs so they voted for a criminal rapist?

Republicans activity reshaped America over the past 4 decades while democrats handed the nation away.

Republicans catered to the extreme rightwing, democrats cater to the moderately rightwing.

Here we are now.

Let's see how much damage republicans can do in the next four years.

Trump promised if he won, we wouldn't have to worry about voting, ever again.

Democrats told Americans it was Harris's turn.

Cause that worked so well in 2016.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-09 03:45 PM

Republicans have spend the past four decades reshaping local governments and the minds of small town / rural voters.

At this point. Might as well accept that the federal government will be no more and the future of this nation will be drastically different.

#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-11-09

You know i think it is deeper than that. I think this is all rooted in the idea that the political class is without consequence since Nixon. All of the checks and balances gave way to final judgement at the ballot box.

Nixon promotes political crime through his own paranoia; Ford pardons him.

Reagan sells weapons to Iran despite embargo; feels regretful despite it being illegal.

Clinton perjures himself on the stand; we pardon because economy is good.

George W Bush commits war crimes? Well some hack lawyer said he could.

Inexorably this leads to zero accountability and there being no greater face of that then Trump.

He is truly representative of America : thinks he's great, cheater, liar ... think whatever you want but he has become a historical figure and I think engaging with him and his voters will yield better results than name calling, "the resistance", etc. at this point because he truly represents the majority

#7 | Posted by AfterMaff at 2024-11-09 04:34 PM

I think it has to do with the Rush Limbaugh-ization of the news. Republicans spent the past decades concentrating on prioritizing the "news" they wanted Americans to see:

Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won?

It wasn't the economy. It wasn't inflation, or anything else. It was how people perceive those things, which points to one overpowering answer.

The answer is the right-wing media. Today, the right-wing media"Fox News (and the entire News Corp.), Newsmax, One America News Network, the Sinclair network of radio and TV stations and newspapers, iHeart Media (formerly Clear Channel), the Bott Radio Network (Christian radio), Elon Musk's X, the huge podcasts like Joe Rogan's, and much more"sets the news agenda in this country. And they fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win.

Let me say that again, in case it got lost: Today, the right-wing media sets the news agenda in this country. Not The New York Times. Not The Washington Post (which bent over backwards to exert no influence when Jeff Bezos pulled the paper's Harris endorsement). Not CBS, NBC, and ABC. The agenda is set by all the outlets I listed in the above paragraph. Even the mighty New York Times follows in its wake, aping the tone they set disturbingly often.

newrepublic.com

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 04:42 PM

Democracy depends on a well-informed People... which is why the first thing the the far right did was to make the media a liability in finding accurate information, not an asset.

When that happened, well, Trump's Lies became just as good a source as any to people who wanted to believe them.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-09 04:43 PM

"I think engaging with him and his voters will yield better results than name calling, "the resistance", etc. at this point because he truly represents the majority"

Are they the majority consistently though? Usually in this country power flows back and forth between the parties because neither party has all the answers or gets everything right. These shifts in voter preferences have never been static, permanent.

I don't know about his voters, but the only way to engage with Trump is to agree with him and do what he wants/tells you to do. I've seen no evidence that he wants to have a dialogue with Democrats, Independents or Republicans who aren't Trumpers.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 04:48 PM

Trump may be a fascist, but Putin is showing him who's boss, video of coverage of Melania on Russian TV at link:

Decoding Fox News
@DecodingFoxNews
Trump thinks he's besties with Putin and this is how Russian state media treats his wife. Putin is letting him know who is boss.

Julia Davis
@JuliaDavisNews
Meanwhile in Russia: this is how the most watched state TV channel in the country welcomed Melania Trump's upcoming return to the White House. Olga Skabeeva is trying not to laugh. This was probably her idea.

x.com

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-09 05:41 PM

I think engaging with him and his voters will yield better results than name calling, "the resistance",

You really should go and engage his supporters.

You'll give up such a foolish endeavor.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-09 05:58 PM

"Unfortunately, that was not enough because a lot of people failed to see how well the American economy did rebound, especially in comparison to other countries around the world that were all also impacted by the covid pandemic and its aftermath.

I'm pretty sure the New York Times editorialsay what Gal just was not reported or discussed on Fox News or any other Republican biased news media so their virtually captuewd audiences are unaware of most of the pertinent facts about most of the issues thst got Trump elected. Those people don't like to be renindd of that and get quite angry when some of us remind them of the real facts surrounding the issues that convince relativelt bormal peopje support a Fascist like Trump but they can get as mad as they want but that won't sr=top me from trying to infoem them.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2024-11-10 03:39 PM

Et Danni and Gal,

Problem is, you really think the economy was better, when over half the country's votes is telling you it was not.

That's the problem. You are telling people to ignore what they see everyday and just go on blind faith.

Maybe you need to stop talking to so many liberals/Democrats every day and start talking to some actual middle class voters and see what was really affecting them.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2024-11-11 07:51 AM

Apparently appealing to anti-intellectuals isn't all that difficult.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-09 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

By all means, do continue on with the "stupid people" argument because it's working so well.

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-11 09:18 AM

Don't confuse stupid with ignorant.

Stupid:
having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.

Ignorant: lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 09:23 AM

Et Danni and Gal,
Problem is, you really think the economy was better, when over half the country's votes is telling you it was not.
That's the problem. You are telling people to ignore what they see everyday and just go on blind faith.
Maybe you need to stop talking to so many liberals/Democrats every day and start talking to some actual middle class voters and see what was really affecting them.
#14 | Posted by boaz

It's about context. The whole world suffered financial setbacks because of the covid pandemic. A little research reveals that America has recovered better than other countries, and that recovery has been ongoing and takes time. People are too impatient. They think economies around the world should recover quickly, which is magical thinking. We were on the right track. Now we'll see what happens when Trump and the Republicans take over.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 09:26 AM

America's economy is the envy of the world. Will it stay that way?

Donald Trump's victory in this year's election had a lot to do with how many Americans feel about the US economy (surprise: not good). But Simon Rabinovitch, US Economics Editor for The Economist, argues that, despite the turmoil of the past few years, America's economy remains the envy of the world. Today on the show, Simon explains why that is, but also why he believes a Trump presidency puts America's 'economic exceptionalism' at risk.

www.npr.org

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 09:30 AM

Don't confuse stupid with ignorant.

Stupid:
having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.

Ignorant: lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag

So tell me what you think people with no higher education hear when democrats say ---- like Corky did above?? Or when you come in for the assist and downplay the insult to ignorant?

#19 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-11 09:32 AM

Corky, didn't use the word stupid. You did. Corky used the word anti-intellectual, which is something altogether different. Anti-intellectualism is related to the new fade of eschewing expertise.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 09:37 AM

To me rejecting expertise isn't usually a wise move. I want my doctor to be an expert in the field I am consulting him /her about. I want my plumber to be an expert at plumbing. Ditto my electrician, my kids' teachers, my auto mechanic, etc.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 09:45 AM

"I think engaging with him and his voters will yield better results than name calling, "the resistance", etc. at this point because he truly represents the majority"

ffS Dems have "engaged" with the right for decades and it has achieved -------.

Dems are called time and time again to come in and fix republican disasters-Clinton 92, Obama 2008, Biden 2000

Each and every time we tried to "engage" both during the Republican presidency and when we were fixing the destruction they wrought

What did that get us? Gingrich's Contract on America, McConnell-Make Obama a 1 term president, stolen justices....and -------

NOPE, dems SHOULD learn their lesson, and shoot it is probably too late anyway.

Let the American people suffer the consequences of their action. Let the world suffer the consequences of unbridled Maga.

The change will be enormous. the damage probably irreversible.

This is what they want. Give it to them.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-11 09:52 AM

Maybe you need to stop talking to so many liberals/Democrats every day and start talking to some actual middle class voters and see what was really affecting them.

#14 | Posted by boaz

Here are the facts boaz

The WORLD suffered a pandemic and then Russia invaded Ukraine.

The combination of these 2 events resulted in a shock to the global economic situation.

Actions were taken by various countries to combat said events, the results were inflation, that prevented an extended recession.

-------- actions exacerbated the problems

Biden's actions helped Americans reach a soft landing-better than the entire industrialized world.

The economy today is the envy of the world.

Yes, prices are still high.

The prices are not going to come down-that would be a bad thing because that would require DEflation-wiping away middle class savings and investments

That is how inflation works

Higher prices are combatted by wage increases.

Biden, the first president in DECADES saw transfer of wealth from the wealthy to the poor.

His actions caused an increase in real wages that outpaced inflation-so those $5 eggs cost less in actual dollars to the pre inflation $3 eggs

These are all facts

Harris' plans would continue the improvement of the economy (though there are some issues with specific items)

-------- plans, if you can call them plans, consist of tariffs and deportation and billionaire tax cuts. These will, if implemented, tank the economy.

I suspect ------- will do a few minor tariffs that will aid his cronies, deport a token number of immigrants, extend the billionaire tax cuts and call it victory, claiming the Biden economy.

But that won't work long term.

But Americans are too ignorant, too stupid and too uneducated to understand this.

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-11 10:02 AM

I don't mind people being anti-intellectual if by that you mean rejecting people who confine themselves to the ivory towers of academia. I've been in some of those ivory towers, and they can indeed devolve into irrelavance and even stupidity, and, yes, I'm using that word deliberately. But I do mind people being anti-intellect in the sense that they discard the use of knowledge and critical thinking. The article I posted above says:

"Donald Trump's victory in this year's election had a lot to do with how many Americans feel about the US economy (surprise: not good)."

I get it. I don't "feel" very good about the cost of eggs either, but I do "know" that the economy is improving in concrete ways, which are factual and undeniable. I also don't "believe" Trump's policies are going to make things better. My opinion, but we are going to get a reality test. In 4 years let's see how the economy is doing.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 10:07 AM

Joe Walsh
@WalshFreedom
This is on them. The American people knowingly chose a cruel, dishonest, lawless authoritarian to be their president. Some who voted for him said "I don't care" that he's a cruel, dishonest, lawless, authoritarian. And others who voted for him said "I want to be ruled by" a cruel, dishonest, lawless authoritarian. But either way, this is now on them. They ALL will deserve everything a cruel, dishonest, lawless authoritarian does to them. And does to America.

x.com

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 10:13 AM

-Corky used the word anti-intellectual, which is something altogether different.

Not to the person you're directing that insult to.

And it IS an insult. Corky means it that way and it means "you're ------ stupid".

It's not something altogether different to the typical Trump supporter. It's the same thing....maybe that's a good example of what makes them an "anti-intellectual". LOL

And that's fine....I'm not complaining.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-11 10:29 AM

To the extent that voters in the coming months and years say things like:

I didn't think he would deport my family members.

I didn't think it would cost me my job.

I didn't think I'd lose my health care.

I didn't think my special needs child would be affected.

I didn't think my wife would die in child birth.

I thought my taxes would go down more.

I thought my wages would go up and that I'd get paid for overtime.

I didn't think I would be fired for wanting to join a union.

And so on, is the extent to which those voters were uninformed.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 10:29 AM

-Corky used the word anti-intellectual, which is something altogether different.
Not to the person you're directing that insult to.
And it IS an insult. Corky means it that way and it means "you're ------ stupid".
It's not something altogether different to the typical Trump supporter. It's the same thing....maybe that's a good example of what makes them an "anti-intellectual". LOL
And that's fine....I'm not complaining.
#26 | Posted by eberly

Maybe I did put Corky's comment into my own frame of reference.

Corky?

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 10:34 AM

27

In your entire lifetime...when has a vote for a republican NOT meant voting for those things to happen you listed?

Republicans have been accused of voting against their own interests since at least Reagan. Maybe since Civil Rights.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-11 10:37 AM

"Everybody is dumb except for us, the people that just got smashed by the Trump train."

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-11 11:46 AM

"Everybody is dumb except for us, the people that just got smashed by the Trump train."

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Your argument that there are a lot of stupid people in this country is not the own you think it is.

May you receive everything you voted for, magat scum.

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-11 11:53 AM

So dumb you assume incorrectly whom I voted for.

You are why this party is going to ----.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-11 12:02 PM

Did you vote for Harris?

If no, you are magat scum

If yes and now blaming dems for the decision of Americans to elect a rapist you are wasting your breath. You are wrong

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-11 12:11 PM

Truth,

I hope you find peace. Understand, the majority of the U.S. population doesnt like your ideology. That's not me. That's the country.

I'm not laughing at you. The country just talked to you. Told you. We dont want you running the nation. That's not us.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2024-11-11 05:13 PM

Boaz, from the bottom of my heart, with the most sincere expression I can muster

Go ---- yourself.

You are magat scum

You voted in a rapist.

I have nothing but the utmost contempt for you.

The majority of the American voters are either stupid or evil. I think you are stupid. Having a majority impresses me not.

------- will destroy this country. He cares NOTHING about what even you care about.

He will transform this country into an oligarchy.

Latinos who voted for him will find loved ones' round up, put in camps and expelled. There are reports that ------- will issue an Executive Order overturning birthright citizenship. So you can ---- off with any thought that you and the rest of you magat scum are actually supporters of the constitution.

In the coming days, when he announces an AG we will likely have confirmation he will go after abortion nationwide.

He will destroy our economy, suppress our rights, and when we protest he will send in troops

So, yeah ---- you

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-11 05:21 PM

Again

You voted in a rapist. A man who raped a woman. A man who bragged about sexually assaulting women. A man found liable for rape.

So, yeah ---- you you rapist supporter

You were scum, you are scum and you will forever be scum

I fervently wish you get everything you voted for.

I sincerely hope you find yourself in a hospital begging doctor to help a loved one who needs, but can't have, basic heathcare.

------- magat scum

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-11 05:23 PM

"I hope you find peace. Understand, the majority of the U.S. population doesnt like your ideology. That's not me. That's the country."

It's barely half the country. Let's wait till we get all the numbers in on not only the the presidential election popular vote count but also on the number of people represented by the Democratic vesus Republican Senators and what the actually margin of victory was in each of the swing states. I know MAGA voters are trying to depict this as a massive mandate/blowout. It wasn't. It's still pretty much an evenly divided country.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 05:30 PM

"I know MAGA voters are trying to depict this as a massive mandate/blowout. It wasn't. It's still pretty much an evenly divided country."

Which is why Trump and the GOP shouldn't engage in their normal overreaching tendencies but they will.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 05:34 PM

It's barely half the country.

When a Republican wins, it's because the whole country wants it.

When a Democrat wins, it's because of New York and California.

Rinse repeat.

Welcome to the 2 dimensional world of the typical conservative.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-11 05:35 PM

You voted in a rapist.

Republicans are the pro rape party.

You're going to have to accept this reality.

As long as the rapist is white.

It's God's Will.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-11 05:37 PM

Problem is, you really think the economy was better, when over half the country's votes is telling you it was not.

That's the problem. You are telling people to ignore what they see everyday and just go on blind faith.

Maybe you need to stop talking to so many liberals/Democrats every day and start talking to some actual middle class voters and see what was really affecting them.

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2024-11-11 07:51 AM | Reply |

Considering more people voted in 2020 than this year says you're wrong as per the usual.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-11 05:42 PM

All the numbers are in yet but this is how they are trending:

Wajahat Ali
@WajahatAli
As the collective freak out continues, Harris will lose by about 2 points. Trump will get about 50.3% of the vote. Across the Rust Belt swing states Harris would have lost by less than 150K votes it seems.

x.com

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 05:49 PM

*are not in yet

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 05:58 PM

#42,

Whatever you have to tell yourself Gal...

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2024-11-11 06:17 PM

To the extent that voters in the coming months and years say things like:
I didn't think he would deport my family members.
I didn't think it would cost me my job.
I didn't think I'd lose my health care.
I didn't think my special needs child would be affected.
I didn't think my wife would die in child birth.
I thought my taxes would go down more.
I thought my wages would go up and that I'd get paid for overtime.
I didn't think I would be fired for wanting to join a union.
And so on, is the extent to which those voters were uninformed.
#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

I posted this list earlier and 2 of the items are on track to come true for some lucky Trump voters:

David Shuster
@DavidShuster
Trump has now reaffirmed his plan to eliminate the U.S. Department of Education. For the record that department funds, among other things, all the special education and special needs program in public schools and public colleges in all 50 states.

Homan on Hannity:

Homan: if you're in the country illegally, you shouldn't feel comfortable.. If I'm in some other country illegally, I'm not going to be comfortable. When you enter this country illegally, you have committed a crime, you're a criminal and you're not off the table.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-11 10:24 PM

I hope you find peace. Understand, the majority of the U.S. population doesnt like your ideology. That's not me. That's the country.

I'm not laughing at you. The country just talked to you. Told you. We dont want you running the nation. That's not us.

Posted by boaz at 2024-11-11 05:13 PM | Reply

You're wrong as always Boaz. Less than 22% of the population said that they didn't like the Democrats ideology. That's not even a quarter of the population. So no the majority didn't speak.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-11 10:52 PM

By all means, do continue on with the "stupid people" argument because it's working so well.

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Sorry the truth hurts, dips&^%.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:20 AM

"Everybody is dumb except for us, the people that just got smashed by the Trump train."

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Facts not in evidence.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:22 AM

Understand, the majority of the U.S. population doesnt like your ideology. That's not me. That's the country.

I'm not laughing at you. The country just talked to you. Told you. We dont want you running the nation. That's not us.

#34 | Posted by boaz

Current results:

Trump - 50.3%
Harris - 48.1%

Vote totals for Trump same from 2020 to 2024.

The only conclusion supported by the data is that MAGA is a cult that will never question dear leader and enough of the non-cult said "f&^% you all" that the cult won.

It was hardly "the country" saying anything. It was a minority of about 11 million silently giving us all the finger.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:25 AM

It's barely half the country.

75 million people isn't even 25% of the population.

22% of the US killed, willingly, our Republic to "own the libs."

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:27 AM

Whatever you have to tell yourself Gal...

#44 | Posted by boaz

That's what the actual numbers tell us you brainless pile of ignorant s&^%.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:28 AM

We will never take our coutry back as long as Murdoch is allowed to broadcast propaganda 24/7/365! It will come down to that eventually and he will be seen, as the enemy of freedom, democracy and America that he is! Til we stop the poison our nation and the world will just continue to get sicker til it just dies!

#52 | Posted by danni at 2024-11-12 10:13 AM

Danni,

It's not "your" country or "my" country, it is "ours", which makes me a part of it. I have just as much right to live as I feel as you do. Sometimes, you arent in control.

As long as you think it's only "your" country, you will never get it back, and you shouldnt.

#53 | Posted by boaz at 2024-11-12 03:50 PM

Do you think magat scum voted to defund poor schools and schools' special needs programs?

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-12 03:59 PM

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