Saturday, December 21, 2024

Study: Number Gaza Civs killed 'inflated to vilify Israel'

Researchers accuse the Gaza ministry of health of overstating casualty data by including natural deaths, failing to differentiate between civilian and combat casualties and over-reporting the numbers of women and children killed.

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based on Israeli and US military and intelligence reports, around 17,000 of these [deaths] were Hamas fighters, but claims this has been frequently overlooked in media reports.

Its report states: "The ministry of health, operating under Hamas, has systematically inflated the death toll by failing to distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths, over-reporting fatalities among women and children and even including individuals who died before the conflict began.

The report found numerous statistical anomalies and inaccuracies. Researchers say that around 5,000 natural deaths, which would have happened even without the conflict, appear to have been added to the list of casualties, including cancer patients who later appeared on lists of those still receiving hospital treatment.

Other errors include adult casualties being recorded as children and men being wrongly recorded as women, thereby artificially increasing the number of women and children recorded as killed.

Researchers, who established that the majority of those killed were men aged 15-45, said they found a pattern of victims' ages being revised downwards by at least one year when compared to data on the Palestinian Population Register in an apparent attempt to inflate the number of children recorded as killed.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-12-21 09:46 AM

What's an acceptable number of civilian deaths required for vilification?

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-21 12:21 PM

More holocaust denial from the usual suspects.

#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-12-21 12:41 PM

What's an acceptable number of civilian deaths required for vilification?
#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

I suppose one would have to look at history:

Starting in the 1980s, it has often been claimed that 90 percent of the victims of modern wars are civilians [...] These claims, though widely believed and correct regarding some wars, do not hold up as a generalization across the majority of wars [...]

Other authors cite Ruth Leger Sivard's 1991 monograph in which the author states "In the decade of the 1980s, the proportion of civilian deaths jumped to 74 percent of the total and in 1990 it appears to have been close to 90 percent.

A wide-ranging study of civilian war deaths from 1700 to 1987 by William Eckhardt states:
On the average, half of the deaths caused by war happened to civilians, only some of whom were killed by famine associated with war...The civilian percentage share of war-related deaths remained at about 50% from century to century.

To look at the civilian/combatant ratio amongst the Palestinians/Israelis:
Total Civilians Civilian to combatant ratio
Israelis killed by Palestinians 1,204 69% 2.2 : 1
Palestinians killed by Israelis 4,228 59% 1.4 : 1
en.wikipedia.org

Palestinians seem to be doing a much better job killing civilians than the Israelis. But that is to be expected, because that's the way the Palestinians roll, in the wars they keep starting and losing.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-12-21 01:34 PM

"The Nazis swear the number of dead Jews is acceptable."
- Censored, circa 1943.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 01:59 PM

No one says it's acceptable clown.

But we told you all along they were lying and exaggerating for effect and it worked. Look at all the Americans who fell for the Hamas lies.

It's no wonder Trumpy won again.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-21 02:09 PM

Who was lying? And by how much?

You don't know anything more than I do.

Stop pretending.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 02:10 PM

Who was lying? And by how much?

Hamas. By about 50% it looks like.

You really think Hamas did not inflate the numbers for PR purposes? Of course they did.

You don't know anything more than I do.

Stop pretending.

And I am not the one pretending I know enough to accuse Israel of genocide.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-21 02:20 PM

It's no wonder Trumpy won again.

The DNC choosing the first person to drop out from the 2020 primaries, to be their nominee in July 2024, had nothing to do with it?

Kamala being a Black Woman of Southeast Asian / Jamaican heritage, had nothing to do with it?

Elon Musk using social media to target swing districts, had nothing to do with it?

This election was about the Gaza war? What about the war in Ukraine, that also had nothing to do with it?

Please. The loss was 100% the DNC failing, just as they did in 2016.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 02:24 PM

You really think Hamas did not inflate the numbers for PR purposes? Of course they did.

It's almost like you can see half the picture.

But refuse to see the other half of the picture.

You know, Israel down playing the death count.

There is a reason the rest of the world has turned away from Israel.

They're not bombarded with as much pro Israeli propaganda as we are here in America.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 02:27 PM

The loss was 100% the DNC failing, just as they did in 2016.

#9 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK


lol. So you do know stuff! I am not denying those things had a negative effect.

And I won't give it a percentage but Americans falling for and believing all the republican lies and propaganda had an awful lot to with it. Just like 2016. How do I know this is true?

They are still repeating his lies everywhere as gospel and those lies are still affecting our ability for our government to function. And it's gonna get worse before it gets better. Elon promised us.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-21 02:36 PM

Yep.

Let's see what happens next year when Republicans have full control over Congress

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 02:42 PM

You know, Israel down playing the death count.

Never said they didn't. You are moving the goalpost brother.

This thread was about Hamas inflating the numbers. We previously told you that they were. You cried foul. And called us Nazis. Oh Noes! Now we were proved correct. Oh Noes!

Apparently you have an axe to grind and YOU really just wanna hammer Israel. And anyone who dares to support them. Apparently.

Both are guilty of war crimes.

Neither are innocent.

But Hamas obviously lied to try and make Israel the "bad guy" in this scenario. It really was their only hope.

And it obviously worked on you.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-21 02:45 PM

Let's see what happens next year when Republicans have full control over Congress

There will be a lot more focus on the Gaza conflict since the war in Ukraine will be over on Day One.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-21 02:48 PM

Never said they didn't.

I see.

You simply wanted to express your doubt about the death count reported by Hamas.

This thread was about Hamas inflating the numbers.

How dare I point out how history is written by the victors?!

We previously told you that they were. You cried foul. And called us Nazis.

Please Donny, get over yourself. You're no victim.

You're simply irritated I provide a balanced assessment of the situation.

YOU really just wanna hammer Israel.

Had Israel attempted to secure their hostages. Been more tactful with their actions. Instead of continuously bombing Gaza, killing Palestinians, since October 7th 2023.

I would have nothing to say. Actually. I pretty much ignore the situation until I read one of these stupid propaganda articles.

If Israel doesn't want to be hammered, don't become the nail.

Hamas obviously lied

Obviously!

But not Israel. Their politicians never lie.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 03:02 PM

The DNC choosing the first person to drop out from the 2020 primaries, to be their nominee in July 2024, had nothing to do with it?
- clownhack

No, it was your undying support for the first person to drop out.

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-12-21 03:21 PM

I'm sure in someway that made sense to you when you chose to write it.

But, I suggest rereading it a couple times and figuring out why you're an idiot

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 03:31 PM

"Please Donny, get over yourself. You're no victim."

I am not the victim. The truth was the victim.

Get over yourself.

I clearly said both belligerents committed war crimes.

And I never said Israel didn't lie. It's just a little harder for them as they are held more accountable for their lies by their own people and international community. That is fodder for another thread.

The FIRST causality in any war is the truth.

The truth here is that in this case Hamas obviously lied and exaggerated the deaths for effect and sympathy after blatantly murdering and kidnapping Israelis.

And it worked.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-21 05:02 PM

It's just a little harder for them as they are held more accountable for their lies by their own people and international community.

This statement is based on absolutely nothing.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 05:12 PM

Face it Donner.

You don't really care either.

You're just pumped with propaganda making you feel like Israel is a victim.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 05:13 PM

Both sides are being evil in many ways... there are no good guys in this fight.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-21 05:20 PM

- No, it was your undying support for the first person to drop out.

No one you can name who was willing to run was a sure thing... so you are just mouthing off yet again.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-21 05:40 PM

The most absurd thing about that statement.

Is it's based on the lie there was another option.

It was either Harris or Trump.

I never actually believed Harris had a chance, but I did hope.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-21 05:49 PM

"Keep Hope Alive!" - Rev. Jesse Jackson

I caucused for him and the Rainbow Coalition in the early 80's in Austin.

Then Reagan stepped all over it. Too many of the hippies like myself had kids to feed, so they 'sold out'; bought suits and got jobs, often succumbing to the avarice of Corporate life.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-21 06:00 PM

But I saw this guy one night at a small venue bar downtown in Austin:

www.youtube.com

Which was extraordinary really.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-21 06:10 PM

I believe the doctors and aid workers over the IDF.

Israeli lie. Continually. To themselves. It is holocaust.

One might have thought that when Biden repeated the lies about mass rape and beheaded babies it became evident that Zionist narrative has infiltrated his daily briefings.

Netanyahu's pier served one purpose - to stage a rescue inflicting mass casualties and dead abductees.

Not so different from the invasion of Iraq "intelligence" he also provided that the United States acted upon without any validation or corroboration.

I could even suspect that the ufo incursion is Israeli as well.

Imo, some people voted in Trump because "nothing fundamentally will change under a Biden administration."

#26 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-12-21 07:44 PM

What's an acceptable number of civilian deaths required for vilification?

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

How about 1200? And specifically 46..

On October 7, 2023, more than 1,200 men, women and children, including 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries, were slaughtered by Hamas

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2024-12-21 08:01 PM

Disproportionate Response is the outward behavior but the crime of Genocide is based on Intent.

The Israeli's have shown their Genocidal Intent in many public displays and words by elected officials.

Their own words are why the ICC has OPEN WARRANTS out for them on the Charges of Genocide and Crimes against Humanity.

Netanyahu is Afraid to go to Poland for the Auschwitz Commemoration in January, the President of Israel, Herzog, is likewise Afraid to go.

The Poles have asserted that they would Arrest them if they enter Poland.

Lol.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-12-21 08:25 PM

---- off you prancing Russian poof.

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-22 01:46 AM

---- off you prancing Russian poof.
#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-12-22 01:46 AM

Nothing posted was incorrect, other than your attitude regarding facts.

Nethanyahu will be arrested by either his own nation or another, but it will happen.

#30 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-12-22 08:35 PM

The left hate Jews. Period.

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-23 01:08 AM

The left hate Jews. Period.

Try a lighter line, and don't try to cast it so far.

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-23 01:22 AM

What's an acceptable number of civilian deaths required for vilification?
#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

How about 1200?
#27 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I'm not too sure you understood the question.

Or maybe you consider nearly every nation on earth worthy of vilification.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-23 01:59 AM

I don't think that the Left hates Jews any more than Donald hates Panamanians.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2024-12-23 08:39 AM

What are the odds the president elect could not find Panama on a map?

#35 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-12-23 08:47 AM

"I don't think that the Left hates Jews any more than Donald hates Panamanians."

Wait, the Panamanians have en-masse embraced ethno-supremacy and are now committing genocide and buying off American politicians and mass media outlets in order to try and conceal it??

Damn, there goes my holiday trip to Casco Viejo!

#36 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-12-23 10:37 AM

As so many of the dead have been bulldozed by the IDF, we'll never really know, will we? The IDF certainly isn't going to dig them back up for a recount. And Bibi doesn't want anyone to know.

#37 | Posted by morris at 2024-12-23 01:13 PM

The left hate Jews. Period.

#31 | Posted by BellRinger

Once again, an idiot can't tell the difference between "Jews" and the current administration in Israel.

#38 | Posted by morris at 2024-12-23 01:16 PM

"As so many of the dead have been bulldozed by the IDF"

Its the Zionist version of "the ovens". You can't drop 70,000+ tons of bombs on millions of civilians trapped in an area the size of Philadelphia and then turn around and say the numbers of known or presumed dead and maimed have been inflated to make you look bad. Bu our resident genocide apologists do all the time. What's new? Its their own special form of holocaust denial.

The world knows better and there will most likely be plenty of Nazi hunters around the world collecting bounties over the next half century.

#39 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-12-23 02:08 PM

As the saying goes, "Truth is always the first casualty of war".

#40 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-12-23 09:55 PM

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