Bond Market Moves Raise Fears of Growing Bets Against America

Sunday, April 13, 2025

Treasury yields have been behaving unusually, sparking concerns that the typical "safe haven" investment might be losing some of its shine.

Posted by retort at 11:56 AM | 27 COMMENTS | permalink

Murphy: When you see the 10-year bond exploding ... when you see markets moving like a sine curve--that's the opposite of stability. A strong dollar is in our national interest. What we're seeing now is the opposite of that.

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-- Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) April 11, 2025 at 11:06 PM

Comments

There was a time when I would say never bet against America. That's a fools bet.

Haven't said that in quite a while. Not since the Lyin King took the stage.

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-13 12:17 PM

The Dollar is Done. If it loses the confidence of the world.

Get ready to see the American Standard of Living drop.

Not Exceptional.

All too Commonplace.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-13 12:26 PM

Our entire nation will be paying the Moron Tax on our $30+ trillion national debt for the next century because Trump trashed our economy and the stock market. Which he did for his personal gain.

"Moron premium."[image or embed]" Ed Moltzen (@emoltzen.bsky.social) April 12, 2025 at 8:37 AM

#3 | Posted by censored at 2025-04-13 12:40 PM

You know there's going to be trouble when the "Undo" button doesn't work.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-04-13 12:47 PM

It's been clear for a long time, but even clearer now, that Trump doesn't really want America to do well. He only wants for himself and whoever happens to be on his approved list of miscreants and oligarchs to do well.

#5 | Posted by cbob at 2025-04-13 04:14 PM

I'm not sure how much more of Trump's Economic Genius we can stand.

Thanks, Trumpers!

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-13 05:02 PM

Ill never get over that Joe Biden and his 4 senile destructive years in office could have been used productively to hit and weaken China after the pandemic they created. But he did nothing except pay billions or trillions to bring millions of uneducated foreigners into our own country on our dime instead of creating opportunities for America to manufacture critical supplies. Everything he did was intended to undercut the USA with foolish leftwing energy policies.

If USA loses safe haven status it is because of leftist Democrats and Biden and of course few remaining neocon Republicans frittering away our Treasury for foolish war or to protect other countries

#7 | Posted by Robson at 2025-04-13 05:21 PM

#7's long term goal is semi-lucidity.

We should all encourage that!

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2025-04-13 05:39 PM

America does not know what true need is.

We are on the cusp of a great depression.

It will take a moment, just a moment, when the markets get a little too skittish and the house of cards collapses.

It will make 2008, ---- even 1929 look like a bull market.

All because of 1 man.

Thanks magat scum.

You should all rot in hell

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-04-13 05:55 PM

"America does not know what true need is.
We are on the cusp of a great depression."

Yep.

It's kinda like when COVID was sweeping over Asia and Europe and people here were thinking we would be fine.

I don't see how recession is avoidable at this point. The only question is how long it lasts. I predict it lasts until Trump is dead.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-13 06:02 PM

And you know what is absolutely hilarious.

ALL of these coming problems could be easily avoided if.....

The republicans impeach and remove ------- from office.

The markets will love it, our allies will rejoice and trade will flow.

We will step back from the brink.

But Republicans need to act NOW.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-04-13 06:03 PM

Recession? HA!

No, my dear snoof, what we are looking at, straight in the face, is the complete meltdown of western capitalism.

to an extent not generally appreciated, capitalism relies on trust and good will, once that is broken, the markets teeter, plans cannot be made, investments seem risky.

Human instinct kicks in and people run from the danger-i.e. sell, sell, sell at any price!

And we simply have NO tools to combat it.

When stocks AND bonds collapse, that is a REAL bad sign, the world is not prepared for one man's madness and here we are.

That spooked the king of idiots to take a small step back, but he has installed a trade embargo with the 2nd biggest economy and 10% tariffs on everyone else! THAT IS MADNESS! And the markets are beginning to realize this.

I would not be surprised if we see a 50% drop in the market in the next few days.

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-04-13 06:09 PM

Just to give you an idea of the kind of ------- we are in store for.

Heparin is a VERY common medicine used in hospitals across the country.

Heparin is made from, in part, pig's intestines.

And who is the global leader of the sale of pig's intestines?

You guessed it, China.

So, thanks magat scum you ------ everyone who will need an anticoagulant in the near future

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-04-13 06:37 PM

"the complete meltdown of western capitalism."
"capitalism relies on trust and good will"

That would still exists without us.
That world will go on without us.
The world will suffer, but it will learn to route around the problem.

I also would not be surprised by a 50% market drop.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-13 06:58 PM

Would a 50% market drop bring out the hordes of hungry people with pitchforks? Er,AR-15's?

Would it motivate Congress to impeach the Fool?

Trump might not finish the year, much less his term.

WINNING!!

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-13 07:15 PM

Trump himself has said only the weak will fail.

Like all those Fortune 500 companies that embraced DEI.

Any Republican want to say it's actually bad for America when Fortune 500 companies that embraced DEI go under?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-13 07:15 PM

"#7 | Posted by Robson"

This is the single most coherent thing I have ever read on this website outside of my own postings.

#17 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-13 07:24 PM

"to an extent not generally appreciated, capitalism relies on trust and good will, once that is broken, the markets teeter, plans cannot be made, investments seem risky."

Trump's economic plan includes raising the debt limit. To do that, you have to sell bonds. Other countries (China, Japan) have typically purchased that debt, but they did so under the impression that the bonds would not fall in value.

We'll see in a few months, but I would expect panic at the treasury if there is no one around to buy the bonds.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-14 10:26 AM

"Other countries (China, Japan) have typically purchased that debt, but they did so under the impression that the bonds would not fall in value."

I think the ones I have are guaranteed to double in value in 20 years. That's not a killer ROI, but it's supposed to be a way to keep your money safe while modestly outpacing inflation.

Trump is destroying that because he is insane. Trump thinks American global dominance in the world is too expensive for the global elite, when in fact it's the source of their riches.

Abandoning our post as the global hegemon will cost us pretty much all the gains we've made since the end of World War Two.

Republicans don't understand, or don't care, or both.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-14 11:13 AM

Bonds fall in value because of
1. rise in long term interest rates often accompanied by rise in inflation
2. reduction in perceived or rated credit worthiness of the issuing authority
3. all resulting in reduction in demand for said paper

#20 | Posted by Robson at 2025-04-14 01:06 PM

There is a lot I do not understand about bond markets. Even if one does not have faith in American economic policies, why would bond values decrease? You buy a bond, it matures, you receive the benefit. How does that go away? Or are they simply saying we would get less benefit than otherwise? Is there a Bond Markets For Dummies guide out there for people like me?

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-04-14 02:20 PM

#21: Perhaps this will help: www.dummies.com

#22 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-04-14 02:24 PM

One lesson to be drawn from all of this horrendous economic fookery by Trump and his enablers and lackeys, folks like Howie Lutnik and Scotty Bessent: it appears possible one may attain billionaire status in the US and possess not an ounce of sense, integrity or purpose beyond self-aggrandizement and ego gratification.

#23 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-04-14 02:47 PM

Coriolanus: actually that was very helpful. I just learned more in fifteen minutes about the bond markets than I ever knew before.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-04-14 03:36 PM

#24: You're most welcome.

#25 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-04-14 03:54 PM

Time to start thinning the red hat herd. By whatever means possible.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-15 12:40 AM

@#26 ... Time to start thinning the red hat herd. By whatever means possible. ...

I disagree.

Strongly.

The way is to convince "them to change their views.

Yeah, I readily admit "they" seem to be a cult of late.