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Gabriel Schoenfeld: To condemn the attack on Trump's life requires being honest about his candidacy.
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"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."
No, not in Two Corinthians, Donnie.
You shouted to the high heavens for violence, stoked fires and stirred the pot bloviating about your sick fantasies. Then violence paid old Cadet Bone Spurs a call. Whispering something in your nicked ear, Donnie. What was that? Oh, yes, now you remember: "Karma."
#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-15 04:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4
From "Assassination Politics: Is Donald Trump Reaping What He Sowed?"(www.colombotelegraph.com):
Donald Trump is not a good man. Yet his entry into politics has carved out a new, not a fresh, chapter in American politics. Deeply entrenched in identity politics and appealing to the base instincts of white nationalism (a kinder phrase for white supremacy), Trump has unleashed a most destructive mindset in the American drama and his appeal to those who are enthralled by the wild west' portrayed by John Wayne and Clint Eastwood cannot be understated. Instead of embracing the future, those Trump supporters have chosen to traverse back to the past; they indulge in the fantasies of a society in which the Blacks were still slaves and the Chinese were fruit pickers. Their refusal to enter into a socially sophisticated and philosophically advanced social platform has caused tremendous fissures in the American milieu. The difference between the Republican Party supporters and Liberal-minded folks has opened up a never shrinking gulf between the two mindsets. On the brink of this social paradigm sits the most dastardly-minded super rich class. They have become the the fundamental cogs of the machine that rolls only one way- more profits for the rich and more tax cuts for the ultra-rich. It is a vicious cycle of political malpractice.
Their refusal to enter into a socially sophisticated and philosophically advanced social platform has caused tremendous fissures in the American milieu. The difference between the Republican Party supporters and Liberal-minded folks has opened up a never shrinking gulf between the two mindsets. On the brink of this social paradigm sits the most dastardly-minded super rich class. They have become the the fundamental cogs of the machine that rolls only one way- more profits for the rich and more tax cuts for the ultra-rich. It is a vicious cycle of political malpractice.
#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-15 07:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6
Same essay:
Donald Trump, willy nilly, has provided a platform to those extreme elements in American society. In order to garb himself with Presidential robes, Trump would not hesitate to sell his grandmother's dentures. Never has ever been apparent in American Presidential politics such avarice for power, such greed for prestige and such pursuit of falsehood. By being a victim of a gunshot in Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024, Donald Trump has effectively become a victim of his own vitriol, of his own pursuit of polarizing politics.
By being a victim of a gunshot in Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024, Donald Trump has effectively become a victim of his own vitriol, of his own pursuit of polarizing politics.
#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-15 07:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"The vitally important truth, is that Trump deserved to be shot"
You don't have to dance around the call for violence.
#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-15 09:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1
When you have to lie, Sitz, and make up a "quote," then you just add to fuel to the fire. Own that that is YOUR quote, your words, and they don't appear in the article or in anyone's post on this thread.
"By being a victim of a gunshot in Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024, Donald Trump has effectively become a victim martyr of for his own vitriol, of for his own pursuit of polarizing politics."
Slight modification for accuracy.
#5 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-15 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3
It's called paraphrasing, but that's how this comes off.
#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-15 09:41 AM | Reply
BTW - Trump's poised to turn this into a huge win for him. All he has to do is tone down his rhetoric a bit, sound "inclusive enough." This looks like it could be another example of Trump just skating by, fully enabled to do the destruction he's told us all he will do.
"A republic if you can keep it."
#7 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-15 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Yav does anyone think he can do that?
#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-15 09:44 AM | Reply
#8 - He said that's what he's going to do at the RNC convention. We'll see. It's strategically the smart thing to do. The question is (for me, at least) is he disciplined enough to pull that off.
#9 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-15 09:46 AM | Reply
"He said that's what he's going to do at the RNC convention. We'll see. It's strategically the smart thing to do."
Trump's speech at the RNC convention (listen carefully to the words): youtu.be
#10 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-07-15 10:13 AM | Reply
Trump is capable of being disciplined as long as the teleprompter doesn't conk out.
Then he just floats off to a stammering incoherent "wash, rinse, repeat" of old memorized standbys that put people to (ho-hum) sleep.
Sometimes he does that anyway, regardless of what's on the teleprompter.
It makes his off-stage staffers do a head-palm.
#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-07-15 10:22 AM | Reply
#6 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG
So. Ok for you to "paraphrase" a statement to make it conform with what you think it means but when democrats do it they are just plain lying or hyperventilating or whatever. Even when it turns out they were correct. (Years later)
Got it.
#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-15 12:33 PM | Reply
BTW - Trump's poised to turn this into a huge win for him. All he has to do is tone down his rhetoric a bit, sound "inclusive enough."
...
Yeah that's not how Trumpy thinks.
He will use this and double down on the violent rhetoric.
"Fight!" "Fight!" "Fight!"
Will be the new "lock her up!" chant.
This is not the end of political violence in America.
Sadly. This is just the beginning. So much for the liberal bloodless coup. Blood has already been spilled.
And it's not near enough to satisfy magatonians bloodlust for violence yet.
#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-15 12:39 PM | Reply
"So much for the liberal bloodless coup."
Should have been
So much for the liberals allowing a bloodless coup ...
#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-15 12:40 PM | Reply
If you have to lie, you've already lost.
#15 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-15 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Its called a bulls^%# false dichotomy.
#16 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-15 01:46 PM | Reply
We run the risk of mistakenly convincing ourselves that the violence aimed at Trump is a reflection of Trump. The truth is, in America gun violence is always predominantly a reflection of our own twist values.
#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-07-15 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#6 "Paraphrase"? No. Just stupid using a word like that when you apparently don't even know what it means.
#18 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-07-16 04:48 AM | Reply
Violence, political, urban, rural, policing or colonization is american as apple pie.
#19 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-07-16 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"Second, there is indeed a celebration of violence and a whiff of fascism emanating from Trump and the MAGA crowd that surrounds him. After all, it is Trump himself"and figures close to him"who for years now have been stoking the flames of discord in fascist-lite mode."
This is why so many op-eds are so laughable. To me, Trump's rhetoric hasn't been anything close to stoking flames of discord...at least no more than any other time in memorable history. Dems are on record all the time stoking the flames and denying that means you have no merit to talk in this conversation. And all the above quote really says is that because you don't agree with Trump, then you are scared to be around those who do. Just like that article about the person who walked into a restaurant and everyone was standing while they had American flags and the National Anthem (I think) playing, and the person described it as the scariest time in her life. There is nothing scary about it unless YOU can't see beyond your own myopic ideologies and accept others for who they are and what they believe. You don't have to agree or like it but writing an op-ed all about an "aura" that comes from your own opinions is pure partisan fear-mongering and nothing else. There is no argument that can be made otherwise.
#20 | Posted by humtake at 2024-07-17 11:51 AM | Reply
"To me, Trump's rhetoric hasn't been anything close to stoking flames of discord...at least no more than any other time in memorable history."
Then you just haven't been paying attention.
January 6 was the clearest example you will probably ever get of "stroking the flames of discord".
Were you in a coma on January 6th while the rest of us watched in horror while Trumpy incited a mob to VIOLENTLY attack the U.S. Capitol while Congress was in session with the mob threatening to hang Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi?
For a speech to be considered violent speech it has to be likely to cause - and this is very important - imminent violent action.
Trumps speech on January 6 incited the mob to immediately march to the Capitol and commit violent action.
#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-17 12:42 PM | Reply
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