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Wednesday, November 27, 2024

The former New York City mayor was chastised by the judge for failing to comply with court orders to turn over his assets to the two former Georgia election workers he defamed.

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... An angry Rudy Giuliani lashed out in court Tuesday at the judge presiding over the collection proceeding for the $146 million defamation judgment against him -- and complained he's having a hard time making ends meet.

Speaking after U.S. District Judge Lewis Liman said the former personal lawyer to Donald Trump had not been complying with court orders to surrender his assets, Giuliani snapped: "The implications you are making against me are wrong. I have no car, no credit card, no cash, everything I have is tied up. They have put stop orders on my business accounts, and I can't pay my bills."

The judge said Giuliani did not appear to be indigent and warned him against any further outbursts. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-26 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump will bail him out. He knows where too many bodies are buried.

#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-27 06:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump will bail him out. He knows where too many bodies are buried.

I doubt it. Lewzer has no loyalty to anyone and he's immune to the consequences of anything.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-27 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Hurry up and die, you ------- traitor.

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-27 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The rest of the story is not unexpected nor is Rudy so mentally incompetent that he can't comply with Judge Litman's orders to turn over his assets as ordered by the court.

To the contrary, he is using every excuse and pulling every string, including a claim of poverty and a succession of attorneys to delay paying up.

Rudy outlived his usefulness to Trump a long time ago. That means there's not a chance in the world that any help for Rudy will come from that direction. Loyalty to Trump is a one-way street.

It's the same ol', same ol'. Rudy shoulda read the manual.

#5 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-11-28 02:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I suppose there's always the chance that Rudy could threaten Trump with a series of 12, one hour long each, documentaries on national TV about all the dirty dealing in the lead up to and aftermath of 2020.

That might persuade Trump, once in office, to lean hard on the governors of Georgia and Arizona to drop their charged against Rudy.

I agree that such an expose' would be a long shot but nonetheless interesting from a 2028 political point of view about the GOP.

Rudy could even pocket a nice piece of change ~ at least enough to get him back on his feet financially. Maybe even a couple million dollars.

I wonder why Rudy hasn't thought about that. He was in all the meetings, and he knows where all the bodies are buried.

#6 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-11-28 07:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The step from Trump doghouse to the grave is a very easy forced step for King Trump to climb. He is modeling Pooty-pants. Avoid the windows, Roody-Toot. You are just gonna be going thru some things.

Heh, heh...suffer -----.

#7 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-11-28 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ll out of a window? That sucks. Hope he didn't land on anyone. That would suck much more.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2024-11-28 12:26 PM | Reply

#2 Speaksoftly Trump refuses to pay Giuliani for his services, so what makes you think that he's going to bail him out. I predict, but I may be wrong, that after Trump is sworn in he won't pardon any of the J6 crowd now in prison.

#9 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2024-11-28 01:31 PM | Reply

RONNIE68

That would be a safe bet considering that Trump has the Insurrection Act and the whole U.S. Army at his beck and call.

If Trump continues to model himself in the image of Vladimir Putin, he'll outlaw any group of three or more people. Worse if that group happens to be high ranking military officers who could be plotting a coup.

Dictators are notoriously paranoid and get worse over time. They start seeing things that aren't there.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-11-28 02:51 PM | Reply

Problem if the wildly unspooling Roodles decided to spill some beans is he has no credibility. Do you know anyone who has tied themselves to Trump who has credibility? Anyone? Anyone? Says mountains about them and him.

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-11-29 06:42 AM | Reply

DOC
True, but it's a mystery to me why Rudy isn't taking advantage of the only asset he has left.

It sounds to me like Rudy is trying to run out the clock with his incessant delays in hope Trump will step in, eventually, and help him.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-11-29 09:27 PM | Reply

@#12 ... It sounds to me like Rudy is trying to run out the clock with his incessant delays in hope Trump will step in, eventually, and help him. ...

Yeah, this looks to be a Federal case, so Pres-elect Trump does seem to have the option to pardon.

Will he?


Found this...

Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani (2020)
www.nytimes.com

... President Trump has discussed with advisers whether to grant pre-emptive pardons to his children, to his son-in-law and to his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, and talked with Mr. Giuliani about pardoning him as recently as last week, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Mr. Trump has told others that he is concerned that a Biden Justice Department might seek retribution against the president by targeting the oldest three of his five children -- Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump -- as well as Ms. Trump's husband, Jared Kushner, a White House senior adviser.

Donald Trump Jr. had been under investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, for contacts that the younger Mr. Trump had had with Russians offering damaging information on Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign, but he was never charged. Mr. Kushner provided false information to federal authorities about his contacts with foreigners for his security clearance, but was given one anyway by the president.

The nature of Mr. Trump's concern about any potential criminal exposure of Eric Trump or Ivanka Trump is unclear, although an investigation by the Manhattan district attorney into the Trump Organization has expanded to include tax write-offs on millions of dollars in consulting fees by the company, some of which appear to have gone to Ms. Trump.

Presidential pardons, however, do not provide protection against state or local crimes. ...


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-29 09:50 PM | Reply

has discussed with advisers whether to grant pre-emptive pardons to his children, to his son-in-law and to his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani

What do his "advisors" have to do with it?

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-29 10:14 PM | Reply

Yeah, this looks to be a Federal case, so Pres-elect Trump does seem to have the option to pardon.

Nope. The pardon power only extends to "Offenses against the United States," i.e. federal crimes. The underlying civil judgment in this is for state law defamation against two individuals.

#15 | Posted by et_al at 2024-11-29 10:18 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Nope. The pardon power only extends to "Offenses against the United States," i.e. federal crimes. ...

Yep, I know that.

My problem is that I have difficulties keeping track of all the legal cases against Pres-elect Trump.

OK, that aside...

The defamation case against fmr Mayor Giuliani and the judgement that he turn over his belongings is a state case of Georgia?

Yeah, if that is correct, then I agree, pardoning is not an option.


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-29 10:26 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Nope. The pardon power only extends to "Offenses against the United States," i.e. federal crimes. The underlying civil judgment in this is for state law defamation against two individuals. ...

OK the reason I had wondered about the pardon ability is that I saw mention of this case as bing in a Federal court.

'The Court Will Take Action': Judge Upbraids Combative Rudy Giuliani During Outburst at Hearing
www.law.com

... Rudy Giuliani was chastised in Manhattan federal court on Tuesday after the ex-New York City mayor attempted to shout down the judge overseeing attempts by Georgia poll workers he defamed to collect on their nearly $150 million judgment.

U.S. District Judge Lewis Liman of the Southern District of New York interrupted a nearly 30-second rant by Giuliani to say he would not be permitted to speak in court again unless he wanted to represent himself pro se.

"The court will take action," Liman told Giuliani if there were future interruptions. "You can't have hybrid representation."

"We can have him take the stand in the future," the judge told defense attorney Joseph Cammarata.

The outburst came following disputed accounts over the location of a car title that Giuliani has so far failed to turn over to plaintiffs Ruby Freeman and Wandrea "Shaye" Moss, in violation of a court order. ...


That is the case of which I spoke.

Is it a Federal case?


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-29 10:52 PM | Reply

LAMP

No, the case in court right now is a civil case and, as we already know, not subject to a presidential pardon.

However, as I mentioned before, Rudy could be dragging this civil case out until after January 20 in hopes (or perhaps even a Trump promise) that Trump will use the power of the purse (if you get my drift) to intimidate respective state governors to drop the civil cases against Rudy.

Of course, we know how much a "Trump promise" is worth but Rudy, in spite of all that's gone down, is still a staunch Trump supporter. And therein lies the mystery. Nobody but a fool would take Trump at his word.

Promises or no, my guess is Trump will let Rudy swing.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-11-29 11:43 PM | Reply

@#18 ... No, the case in court right now is a civil case and, as we already know, not subject to a presidential pardon. ...

OK, now I am confused.

Can the case not be pardoned by Pres-elect Trump because it is a civil case?

Or can the case not be pardoned by Pres-elect Trump because it is not a federal case?


Asked differently, can a Pres-elect Trump, when he gets to the Oval Office, pardon fmr Mayor Giuliani in this case or not?

And, if so, under what authority?

(apologies for being so obstinate here, but sometimes details matter. thx)


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-30 12:00 AM | Reply

LAMP

We're all confused. Too many cases on too many levels that seem to wobble a bit. After January 20 there's no telling what anti-constitutional ideas Trump will take to the U.S. Supreme Court, themselves already on the cusp for change (i.e. Project 2025).

Could be that's why Rudy is running out the clock.

Food for thought.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-11-30 12:34 AM | Reply

@#20

thx for the follow-up.

... We're all confused. Too many cases on too many levels that seem to wobble a bit. ...

Yup.

Too much to keep track of, imo.

Also, imo, a sad state of affairs for an incoming occupant of what I consider to be the most awesome office on the planet.


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-30 12:48 AM | Reply

OK, now I am confused.

No, you are a pendant that can't accept finality.

#22 | Posted by et_al at 2024-11-30 01:59 AM | Reply

LAMP

It may take a while, but Trump will probably do himself in, along the same lines as many other greedy, despicable, paranoid dictators in history.

The problem with being a dictator is all the dangerous enemies they make.

#23 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-11-30 06:54 AM | Reply

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