Crazed homeless dude who beats elderly woman and threatened trainload of passengers effed around and found out. News at 11.

My guess is that there was at least one subway rider on that jury that had enough with criminal-coddling BS.

It should have been at least negligent homicide.
The jury considers negligent homicide on Monday. For some reason, they had to consider manslaughter first.

He obviously did not kill that man in self defense. So it's now open season on weird people on the New York subways?
More than weird.

Penny's attorneys argued that the former Marine was justified in putting Neely in a chokehold because witnesses say he told passengers, "Somebody's going to die today," and that he was ready to go to jail.

Ok! Ya'll have fun with that. It should make for some really awesome tik toks.
#2 | Posted by donnerboy
I blame society for eliminating the Bumfights videos. A terrible loss to society.

But after he was subdued it should have stopped there and he should have been held until authorities arrived.
Yeah, probably. But you get people worked up about the safety of themselves or others and the adrenaline gets a pumping and sheet happens.

And as it turns out he only had a muffin in his pocket.
#4 | Posted by donnerboy
And I thought he was just happy to see me! In any event, he broke that old woman's nose without even a pair of brass muffins.

All of this brings to mind an old saying:
"Don't start none and there won't be none"
-Mother Teresa

We did not have to kill that guy to subdue him. Neither did Daniel Penny.
#10 | Posted by donnerboy

Like I said in #5, yeah, probably.

I guess we'll find out how the jury feels about it in a few days.

And then Penny can look forward to the civil lawsuits from all those folks who have come crawling out of the woodwork now that Jordan Neely is dead.

>Too bad that old woman whose jaw and orbital bone Neely broke can't sue Jordan Neely's family for her suffering.

Who's fault is that?
#16 | Posted by REDIAL

That's not how self defense works. You have to be under immediate threat of grave bodily harm or death to use lethal force. Crazy ramblings don't qualify for that requirement.

You're making some leaps there. Chokehold is lethal force? According to the DOJ as of three years ago it is. And an increasing number of communities are defining it as such under policy for cops in the last few years.

But Penny isn't a cop. And chokeholds are used routinely to incapacitate those who present non-deadly threats in self-defense. Penny wasn't obligated to enter into a boxing match with random nutter threatening him with injury.

He took a risk by intervening physically and lost that gamble. He should suffer consequences for that. Were it not for white grievance, there probably wouldn't be a question.
#19 | Posted by jpw
Yeah, White grievance. Like the old woman Neely clocked in the face, breaking her nose and skull. With some people, everyone is a victim as long as they're the correct color.