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Thursday, December 12, 2024

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Free speech is more important. Most of you clowns make claims about Trump that are unfounded. ---- you... If you can't take it, stop dishing it out.

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-12-12 09:24 PM | Reply

#1

What you MAGAts are really after is the freedom to lie.

#2 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-12-12 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#2 Freedom of speech. That's it. Some of the biggest purveyors of lies are our government and the mainstream media. I don't want them censored either.

The purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect unpopular speech.

It's fascist to suppress unpopular speech.

You seem like you are endorsing fascist censorship.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-12 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#3 ... The purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect unpopular speech. ...

... from suppression by the government.

But there have been limits associated with that.

Permissible restrictions on expression
www.britannica.com

... Despite the broad freedom of expression guaranteed by the First Amendment, there are some historically rooted exceptions. First, the government may generally restrict the time, place, or manner of speech, if the restrictions are unrelated to what the speech says and leave people with enough alternative ways of expressing their views. Thus, for instance, the government may restrict the use of loudspeakers in residential areas at night, limit all demonstrations that block traffic, or ban all picketing of people's homes.

Second, a few narrow categories of speech are not protected from government restrictions. The main such categories are incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats. As the Supreme Court held in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the government may forbid "incitement""speech "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action" and "likely to incite or produce such action" (such as a speech to a mob urging it to attack a nearby building). But speech urging action at some unspecified future time may not be forbidden.

Defamatory lies (which are called "libel" if written and "slander" if spoken), lying under oath, and fraud may also be punished. In some instances, even negligent factual errors may lead to lawsuits. Such exceptions, however, extend only to factual falsehoods; expression of opinion may not be punished even if the opinion is broadly seen as morally wrong. ...



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-12 11:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm sure Turds and Jeff would be laughing it up with Alex Jones had their sons been murdered during Sandy Hook.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-12 11:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#5 ... murdered during Sandy Hook. ...

Here in Connecticut, today, this week, was a solemn time.

Connecticut lawmakers mark 12 years since Sandy Hook shooting
www.wtnh.com

... Connecticut's congressional delegation met with victims of gun violence on Thursday in Washington, D.C., marking 12 years since the Sandy Hook school shooting in Newtown.

Family members of the victims of gun violence held up photos of the loved ones they lost during a press conference.

Saturday, Dec. 14, marks 12 years since 20 children and six educators were killed at Sandy Hook. ...



#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-13 12:00 AM | Reply

Whenever right-wingers argue "freedom of speech" it's always about freedom to be a destructive piece of $#!+ who causes harm to others and damages civilized society

#7 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-12-13 06:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

" | POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR AT 2024-12-13 06:28 AM | FLAG: "

Shut up and go sit in a corner, bitch. - Ronald McDonald

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-13 12:35 PM | Reply

The purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect unpopular speech.

#3 | Posted by BELLRINGER

The purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect all speech. How strange that you seem to think it somehow prioritizes "unpopular" speech over freedom of speech in general. Besides, "unpopular" speech is so vague that it could mean anything to anyone.

#9 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2024-12-13 01:24 PM | Reply

The purpose of the 1st Amendment is to protect unpopular speech.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger

I have nothing against opinion. But freedom of speech should not protect speech that is verifiably false and will cause harm. As pointed out above, your position would even give someone like Alex Jones a pass.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-12-13 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... from suppression by the government.

A small detail that Trumpybringer seems to always forget.

His memory will get even worse soon when Trumpy starts infringing with gusto on the rights of Americans (The enemies of the People) who are also protected by the constitution.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-13 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" freedom of speech should not protect speech that is verifiably false and will cause harm. As pointed out above, your position would even give someone like Alex Jones a pass.

#10 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2024-12-13 02:59 PM | FLAG: "

We have laws in place for things like libel. We should NEVER have the government be the arbiter of what is and isn't "misinformation". I can't believe this needs to be explained.

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-14 03:50 AM | Reply

" We should NEVER have the government be the arbiter of what is and isn't "misinformation"."

We're not talking about misinformation; we're talking about MALINFORMATION.

What's your stance on that, and more to the point, where do you draw the line?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-12-14 04:08 AM | Reply

I don't support censorship. Period. Malinformation, disinformation, misinformation can ALL be countered by factual information in an open public forum.

Government should never be the arbiter and thankfully our founders recognized that.

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-14 04:24 AM | Reply

We have laws in place for things like libel. We should NEVER have the government be the arbiter of what is and isn't "misinformation". I can't believe this needs to be explained.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-14 03:50 AM | Reply

If it involves health and life safety you betcha the government has a duty to quash malinformation in order to protect the population as a whole. They would be derelict not to. ESPECIALLY during a national crisis such as a pandemic.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-14 04:49 AM | Reply

1A says otherwise.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-12-14 11:23 AM | Reply

1A says otherwise.

#16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Showing once again you do not understand the 1st Amendment.

Like all constitutional rights your freedom of speech is not unlimited.

Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S.Ct. 247, 63 L.Ed.2d. (1919):

"The question," he wrote, "is whether the words are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has the right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree." The Supreme Court affirmed the convictions of the defendants for conspiring to violate certain federal statutes by attempting to incite subordination in the armed forces and interfere with recruitment and enlistment. During wartime, the defendants mailed to new recruits and enlisted men leaflets that compared military conscription to involuntary servitude and urged them to assert constitutional rights.

Speech can be restricted during times of war.

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444, 89 S.Ct. 1827, 23 L.Ed.2d. 430 (1969):

The Supreme Court established the modern version of the "clear and present danger" doctrine, holding that states only could restrict speech that "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to incite or produce such action."

There are circumstances where speech can be legally restricted.

As a side note there are more cases against book banning (your favorite method of restricting free speech) than anything else. Americans apparently love to try restrict free speech by banning books.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-14 12:18 PM | Reply

" Malinformation, disinformation, misinformation can ALL be countered by factual information"

Problem is, with the first ... you're already dead.

What recourse do folks dead from ivermectin overdoses have against the spreader of malinformation that "no dose is too large" ... ?

Dead men file no injunctions. Meanwhile, you're cheering on the guy killing your neighbors.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-12-14 12:44 PM | Reply

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