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News Analysis: In firing the head of the agency that collects labor statistics, President Trump underscored his tendency to suppress facts he doesn't like and promote his own version of reality. nyti.ms/3IYnoNF[image or embed]

-- The New York Times (@nytimes.com) Aug 3, 2025 at 1:28 PM

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We'll never see trustworthy data again.

#1 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-08-03 02:53 PM | Reply

We'll never see trustworthy data again.

Surely you're not suggesting the new guy will fudge the numbers back up?

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-08-03 03:28 PM | Reply

We have not seen trustworthy data for years is the point. It seems that every month there is a revision, it's been going on for years. Why come up with estimates when they are always wrong. Dems are ok with this but not the people in charge now.

#3 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-08-04 12:14 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY FISHPRDO

This pedo supporter will make excuses for whatever Trump does.

He's too stupid to realize what he's defending is the destruction of the United States of America.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-08-04 12:21 PM | Reply

The claim that "we have not seen trustworthy jobs data for years," that "every month there is a revision," and that estimates are "always wrong," is not entirely accurate, though it does capture some real frustrations about recent jobs data reporting.

Here's what's true:

- Monthly jobs data are always revised. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) releases initial jobs numbers each month based on surveys. These numbers are updated twice in the following months as more data is collected and late reports come in. This revision process is a standard and long-standing practice.[1][2][3]
- Recent revisions have been unusually large. While revisions are normal, the past few months have seen some of the biggest downward corrections in years. For example, May and June 2025 were revised down by a total of 258,000 jobs, one of the largest two-month changes outside of the immediate pandemic aftermath.[3][4][5][1]
- Annual benchmarking leads to even more significant revisions. Once a year, BLS compares the survey data to more accurate tax records, resulting in potentially large updates. A recent benchmark revision found 818,000 fewer jobs were created in a 12-month period than initially reported.[2][1]

What is not true or is misleading:

- The data are not "always wrong." Initial estimates are subject to error and revision, but that's because BLS tries to report as quickly as possible. Later data is more accurate as more information arrives. This is how all large-scale government statistics work. Revisions don't mean the data was "wrong" in a deceitful sense, just that early estimates came with acknowledged uncertainty.[6][1][2]
- The revision process is not new, nor is it politically motivated. Both Democratic and Republican administrations have seen large revisions. There is no credible evidence that these regular revisions are due to partisan manipulation or that "the people in charge now" introduced this issue. These methods have been in place for decades, well before the current or previous administration.[7][8][1]
- Statisticians and economists universally agree on the value of rapid-release preliminary data, with known caveats. If BLS withheld data until it was near-final, the public and markets would lack timely insight into the economy. The revision process is transparent and well-documented.[2][6]

Context and Reaction:

- Recent very large revisions have led to political accusations and firings, with President Trump accusing the BLS of "rigging" the numbers and firing its chief statistician. However, experts"including former Trump BLS leaders"have publicly defended the agency's professionalism and transparency, stating that such revisions are expected during periods of economic uncertainty and have no evidence of political interference.[8][9][7]
- The drop in employer survey response rates and population trend changes have made estimation harder and increased volatility and revision size recently, which may partly explain heightened criticism and mistrust.[1][7]

IOW, while jobs data is subject to regular revisions"and recent changes were substantial"this is inherent to how surveys work and is not unique to one political party or administration. The BLS's methods are transparent, not a "scam," and designed to provide the public with timely (if imperfect) data, corrected as more information becomes available. There is no evidence that revisions represent deliberate "wrongness" or systematic deception.[3][7][1][2]

#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-08-04 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

[1] www.axios.com
[2] www.reddit.com
[3] www.bls.gov
[4] www.americascreditunions.org
[5] www.bloomberg.com
[6] www.bls.gov
[7] www.reuters.com
[8] www.cnbc.com
[9] abcnews.go.com
[10] www.nbcnews.com

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-08-04 12:38 PM | Reply

Firing the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics will have no real impact on the labor numbers which are released the first Friday of every month. The actual data is compiled by a large group of analysts and clerks who work based on a long and well designed protocol and in strict secrecy. In fact, the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics only sees the numbers the afternoon prior to them being released to the public, and they have have no opportunity nor any authority to make changes. All they can do is rubber stamp the numbers and arrange for them to be released the next morning.

OCU

#7 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-08-04 08:53 PM | Reply

That's a dumb take. Leadership matters.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-08-04 09:13 PM | Reply

We saw how pretending inflation wasn't real worked last election cycle. Hopefully that won't change.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-08-04 09:23 PM | Reply

IOW, while jobs data is subject to regular revisions"and recent changes were substantial"this is inherent to how surveys work and is not unique to one political party or administration. The BLS's methods are transparent, not a "scam," and designed to provide the public with timely (if imperfect) data, corrected as more information becomes available. There is no evidence that revisions represent deliberate "wrongness" or systematic deception.[3][7][1][2]
#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-08-04 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:
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I'm not claiming the numbers were fixed, I'm claiming that if these numbers are so important for businesses to forecast and plan and they are wrong more than 50% of the time shouldn't the process be looked at and corrected? And if it's impossible to correct than why don't they do away with the forecasts and just wait for the actuals.

#10 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-08-05 10:23 AM | Reply

This pedo supporter will make excuses for whatever Trump does.
He's too stupid to realize what he's defending is the destruction of the United States of America.
#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-08-04 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Yes stupid, and here you are as usual bashing something simply because Trump supports it. You are backing an organization that puts out information that businesses make decisions based on who's information is at least 50% wrong. In your mind that is a strong track record which explains why you are a Democrat.

#11 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-08-05 10:28 AM | Reply

#11 And btw, a 50% rate is alot stronger than how often you are correct on predictions so it makes sense.

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-08-05 10:29 AM | Reply

I'm claiming that if these numbers are so important for businesses to forecast and plan and they are wrong more than 50% of the time shouldn't the process be looked at and corrected? And if it's impossible to correct than why don't they do away with the forecasts and just wait for the actuals.

#10 | Posted by fishpaw

Because smarter people than you are able to grasp that the numbers aren't final but that even preliminary info gives useful information with information getting more and more useful as expected revisions come in.

You're the same kind of mouth breather who thinks science updating our knowledge means the previous guy "lied."

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2025-08-05 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

and here you are as usual bashing something simply because Trump supports it.

No, because it's worthy of the scorn and derision it's receiving.

You are backing an organization that puts out information that businesses make decisions based on who's information is at least 50% wrong.

And yet it's a system that has been working for decades you stupid f*&^.

Which is why you morons supporting it being destroyed makes you abysmally stupid, easily led dumbf*&^s.

In your mind that is a strong track record which explains why you are a Democrat.

#11 | Posted by fishpaw

This from the guy dancing in order to defend firing a statistician who dared publish the true numbers of what a bang-up job Trump is doing on the economy.

Trump is tanking the economy but you still think Democrats are the problem

Just f&^% off already. Stop saddling the rest of the country with your stupidity.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2025-08-05 11:30 AM | Reply

ScottS bragging about Trump jobs numbers:

144,000 jobs in May
147,000 jobs in June

ScottS after finding out being a pedophile doesn't actually count as a job:

19,000 jobs in May
14,000 jobs in June

ScottS disappears.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-08-05 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15 can't cherry pick you're way out of that one.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2025-08-05 01:00 PM | Reply

I'm claiming that if these numbers are so important for businesses to forecast and plan and they are wrong more than 50% of the time shouldn't the process be looked at and corrected?
#10 | Posted by fishpaw

Maybe the process isn't designed for a mad king who enacts and repeals tariffs on a weekly basis. Maybe it's the leader driving the inputs who needs to be corrected, not the process.

You don't even try to think about the counter arguments to what you're saying.

You just ask dumb questions without thinking about them first. Like a small child whose parents weren't the ones you had, because they obviously didn't take the time to answer and explain things, like we've been doing with you for fifteen years.

Unfortunately for you, since that wasn't your childhood, and you didn't have parents who loved you and taught you things, you don't know how to listen and learn.

You grew up to be a useless piece of ---- and you know it.

All you do is cry that you're a victim of a world you don't understand. That's all your life is.

But you'll never understand this world because you will never try. Just like your parents taught you.

---- off and die.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-08-05 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trust in US economic data on the line: Easy to lose, hard to restore
www.reuters.com

... Donald Trump's move to fire the head of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics has put trust in U.S. data reporting mechanisms on the line just as demand for reliable diagnoses of the health of the world's largest economy is bigger than ever.

Examples from elsewhere show credibility is easily lost and hard to restore.

A first test will be the choice to replace Erika McEntarfer, accused without evidence by Trump of manipulating U.S. job numbers after weaker-than-expected growth and large downward revisions were reported last week.

"Imagine if one of your concerns is that there's a lackey in charge of the agency and the numbers are fake," said Michael Strain, director of economic policy studies at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, of an appointment Trump has said to expect within days.

"That's a whole other level of problems."

Policymakers, businesses and investors are scrambling to understand how Trump's attempt to up-end the global trade system will affect prices, employment and household wealth. Central banks, which once tried to guide market bets on rate moves months down the line, now say decisions are "data-dependent."

The rub is that data collection is proving to be harder. Debt-laden governments have, as McEntarfer experienced, cut resources in their data departments; phone surveys, the go-to method for much macro research, are struggling to produce adequate samples as many households do without fixed lines.

Trump's implicit accusation of partisanship by "this Biden Political Appointee" adds the troubling factor of a political dimension usually indicative of countries dogged by wider doubts over their democratic checks and balances.

The key lesson from past examples of loss of data confidence is that it can take years for trust to be restored. ...



#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-08-05 02:04 PM | Reply

Trump says he doesn't trust the jobs data, but Wall Street and economists do
apnews.com

... The monthly jobs report is already closely-watched on Wall Street and in Washington but has taken on a new importance after President Donald Trump on Friday fired the official who oversees it.

Trump claimed that June's employment figures were "RIGGED" to make him and other Republicans "look bad," yet he provided no evidence. ...

[emphasis mine]

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-08-05 02:06 PM | Reply

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