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Rubio: Here's the problem with vetting people. You can't have a perfect vet no matter who that person is, for a couple reasons. The first is we don't -- you can only vet information that exists, right? So it is possible that in many cases there are things about these people you just don't know. No matter how much you vet them, you just don't have certain information. And in some parts of the world where there's very limited documentation, very limited, you can't just go out and interview people in many cases because of the presence of the Taliban, et cetera. It becomes very difficult.

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Rubio: The second thing you can't vet -- you can vet what people have done in the past. You can't vet what people might do in the future. There's another dynamic at play here, and that is you could allow someone into our country who has no history of radicalization, perhaps they even have worked with you in the past, but they are susceptible to radicalization once they enter the United States because they don't assimilate well, because they fall victim to some of this online propaganda and efforts to radicalize people, and two or three years later, you find that they have radicalized.

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Vacuous, vapid, unimaginative, undimensional. USSECSTATE Marco Rubio, who dismantled USAID and dimed out El Salvadorans so the US could deport migrants there, is an Empty Suit.

This lickspittle was vetted for his position based strictly on his fealty to Israel by none other than super-oligarch Larry Ellison.

Source: Israel's Puppet

USSECSTATE Marco Rubio's Official Portrait at Foggy Bottom:


#1 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-12-05 11:25 PM | Reply

Whatever happened to presumed innocent bruh?

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-05 11:35 PM | Reply

"Here's the problem with vetting people."

They get Second Amendment rights after they get vetted.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-05 11:48 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"They get Second Amendment rights after they get vetted."

That's not how it works.

Vetting doesn't turn someone into a lawful permanent resident.

Gun rights are tied to legal status (citizen or green-card holder), not some vague "vetted" classification.

Undocumented immigrants are still prohibited from possessing firearms under both federal and state law.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 09:41 AM | Reply

"Gun rights are tied to legal status (citizen or green-card holder), not some vague "vetted" classification."

Pretty close.

"The Gun Control Act of 1968 makes it a federal crime for any person who is "illegally or unlawfully in the United States" to possess, ship, transport, or receive any firearm or ammunition. This applies to individuals who entered the country without authorization or overstayed a valid visa."

BUT...

"In a 2024 ruling, a federal district court found the law unconstitutional as applied to an undocumented immigrant with no criminal history who possessed a firearm for self-protection."

legalclarity.org

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 10:14 AM | Reply

In other words, a foreigner who is here legally can legally possess firearms.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 10:15 AM | Reply

It becomes very difficult.

POSTED BY DBT2

It's become retarded.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-06 10:50 AM | Reply

Snoofy,

United States vs MedinaCantu (5th Cir., Aug. 27, 2024). An appeals court upheld the federal statute that prohibits undocumented immigrants from having firearms.

United States vs CarbajalFlores (7th Cir., July 16, 2025). This court also affirmed the same statute and remains a valid firearms restriction when applied to someone unlawfully present in the U.S.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 01:27 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"In other words, a foreigner who is here legally can legally possess firearms."

You changed your tune. Who says posting never changes anyone's mind?

Earlier you said, "They get Second Amendment rights after they get vetted."

I said you're wrong.

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 01:30 PM | Reply

You're saying that people who are vetted are also people who are present in the United States unlawfully?

In that case, tell me what exactly were they being vetted for.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 01:35 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"You're saying that people who are vetted are also people who are present in the United States unlawfully?
In that case, tell me what exactly were they being vetted for."

Just go clean your boots.

You stepped in something and you're not going to convince anyone it smells good.

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 01:44 PM | Reply

" This court also affirmed the same statute and remains a valid firearms restriction when applied to someone unlawfully present in the U.S."

What you're saying is these folks ARE subject to US laws.

Which means they have Constitutional protections as well.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-06 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dan,

"What you're saying is these folks ARE subject to US laws.
Which means they have Constitutional protections as well."

They can be arrested, prosecuted, fined, or deported against their will.
Being subject to our laws doesn't mean they're entitled to the full rights of citizens.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 01:51 PM | Reply

Go read your constitution. It doesn't say citizens.

#14 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-06 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" They can be arrested, prosecuted, fined, or deported against their will."

At will?!?

Total nonsense.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-06 01:54 PM | Reply

It distinguishes between citizens and persons specifically.

Persons are granted rights. Period. (read the 14th amendment) Citizens can vote and run for office.

#16 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-06 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#11 If you couldn't answer the legitimate question posed in #10, then perhaps you should have just kept your ignorant mouth shut.

Oh, and this coward, BJ boi, has me blocked... would someone be so kind as to pass along my greetings to him/her?

Many thanks!

#17 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-12-06 01:55 PM | Reply

All persons are subject to due process.

PERIOD.

#18 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-06 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Go read your constitution. It doesn't say citizens.

#14 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-06 01:52 PM | Reply

Correction. It doesn't JUST say citizens.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-06 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 Okay then BJ boi, other than voting and running for office, tell us what rights do people (who are, after all, in the image of God) not have if they're not "citizens"?

Oh, and this coward, BJ boi, has me blocked... would someone be so kind as to pass along my greetings to him/her?

Many thanks!

#20 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-12-06 02:01 PM | Reply

This vapid young man occupying the pinnacle position of US diplomacy at Foggy Bottom is walking in the hallowed footsteps of Thomas Jefferson, George C. Marshall, and Dr Henry Kissinger, to name but a few. So important is this position that in 1974 President Richard Nixon addressed his resignation letter to USSECSTATE Henry Kissinger who initialed it at 1135 HRS.

On 1 March 2025, this Empty Head expedited $4bn of American taxpayer funds to Benjamin Netanyahu's despicable Likud regime.

"Let the slaughter begin!"

And don't forget, 'twas Marco Rubella who sabotaged Obamacare when he was a good-for-nothing US Senator representing Florida in 2015. Source: Rubio Undermines ACA.

This unimaginative Empty Head travels around the world in a luxury jet with 24/7 security making an excellent salary padding his already too generous federal pension serving as a messenger boy for Dummkopf Trumpf.

Now he's bleating nonsense that no one can make heads or tails of.


#21 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-12-06 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alexandrite is correct. The constitution doesn't say "citizens," the constitution says "persons".

Are these people not persons?

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-06 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" Being subject to our laws doesn't mean they're entitled to the full rights of citizens."

Including Due Process?!?

That's accorded "persons". No citizenship required.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-06 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dan,

"due process"?

What a segue!

There was a couple of sited court cases on the subject of gun ownership for undocumented immigrants earlier in the thread.

I do personally feel sorry for them. I can see why they want to be here in America.

They appreciate the country, whether or not some liberals seem to, based on how they talk.

I've said before, a fast track to citizenship for qualified individuals would be a good thing.

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 02:36 PM | Reply

""due process"? What a segue!"

The point is, you're pretending rights are only due citizens. The Constitution disagrees. They're all "persons", according to Jefferson.

Rights from the Creator.

Inalienable.

For "persons".

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-06 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

24. Bill Johnson, constitutional scholar, although no one in his well-read household knew what stare decisis is.

#26 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 02:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"There was a couple of sited court cases on the subject of gun ownership for undocumented immigrants earlier in the thread."

And all of them allowed due process.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-06 02:45 PM | Reply

24. Legal beagle, citer of court cases, hall monitor for Christianity ...

Oh, heaven forfend, where would we be without this gift?

#28 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 02:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- hall monitor for Christianity ...

Made me laugh... 'member the Know Nothing Party?

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-06 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.google.com

The resemblance to MAGA Republicans today is striking.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-06 02:56 PM | Reply

They can be arrested, prosecuted, fined, or deported against their will.
#13 | Posted by BillJohnson

That's no different from citizens, moron.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 03:30 PM | Reply

Well, except for being deported.

Citizens get arrested, prosecuted, and fined every day.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 03:30 PM | Reply

I've said before, a fast track to citizenship for qualified individuals would be a good thing.
#24 | Posted by BillJohnson

You voted against that when you voted for Trump.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Due process is a segue?!

Bill Johnson is a brain dead cultist that reads the constitution as well as he reads the bible.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-06 03:43 PM | Reply

Re 15

Excellent point.

And along that same thought when did Americans start thinking that human rights (which we consider to be self evident) end at an artificially drawn border. Like what side of an imaginary line in the sand determines what your rights are.

Used to be we took the constitution and we enforced OUR laws and helped the less fortunate wherever we went in the world.

Now we leave the constitution behind and join in with the lawless hordes of thieves and criminals when we cross an imaginary line on the map?

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-06 05:08 PM | Reply

Post 35 was supposed to be for post 25.

Same guy wrong post!

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-06 05:10 PM | Reply

"The second thing you can't vet -- you can vet what people have done in the past."

Border Patrol combing through people's social media activity, looking for reasons to deny them entry to the United States, tells a different story.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 05:47 PM | Reply

"Here's the problem with vetting people. You can't have a perfect vet no matter who that person is, for a couple reasons."

Little Marco is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

"Perfect is the enemy of good" is an aphorism that means insistence on perfection often prevents implementation of good improvements. The phrase argues that achieving absolute perfection may be impossible; one should not let the struggle for perfection stand in the way of appreciating or executing on something that is imperfect but still meritable.
en.wikipedia.org

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 05:48 PM | Reply

Db,

It's called research.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 05:53 PM | Reply

They aren't being charged with a crime when being deported.

This is the game: Flood the country with illegal aliens with little to no vetting. When the next team comes along to deport them scream "Due process!!!!" attempting to use it as a roadblock for deporting anyone.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-06 09:26 PM | Reply

39.

Buddy, I've been reading theological and university press manuscripts and books for the last 30 years.

Before you start questioning the theology, as you always do, I am a freelancer, which means I can't just "research" to prove the points I want to make.

If I want to eat, I read what I'm sent, which means everything from SBC Baptists to leftwing Presbyterians, hard left and hard right wing Catholics, and a hell of a lot of straight biblical interpretation. I've read both testaments and analyses of them a few times over.

And the university presses provide me with a lot of original research that hasn't found its way into academia yet.

I've worked on a few award winners, including a Pulitzer this year.

Which is why I want to throw up my hands at posters who have nothing more than "Got a link?"

And I'm a Taoist Jew. As another poster says here, Swallow it.

#41 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 09:27 PM | Reply

- a Taoist Jew

Martin Buber wrote about some similarities, as you may well know.

Also:

The Tao of Judaism

www.vbs.org

(i'm not endorsing all that! just interesting.)

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-06 09:49 PM | Reply

Db,

"Buddy, I've been reading theological and university press manuscripts and books for the last 30 years."

Are you an intellectual snob?

You called me out for having to research something.

It's not very impressive using your knowledge to insult people.

Clearly the tenet of humility flew right past you.

You might be an interesting person to me if you had a less abrasive personality.

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:13 PM | Reply

43. I didn't call you out for having to research something, obviously. I value research. Good for you.

I only wish you had more to show for it here on the DR.

#44 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 11:19 PM | Reply

42. There's a whole world of JuBus.

Jewish Buddhists.

#45 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 11:20 PM | Reply

This is the game: Flood the country with illegal aliens with little to no vetting.
#40 | Posted by BellRinger

You're really bad at making stuff up.

Your intellect operates at a sixth grade reading level, tops.

That's why you won't ever be able to present evidence to support your claim.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Db,

"I didn't call you out for having to research something, obviously. I value research. Good for you."

You said,
Bill Johnson, constitutional scholar, although no one in his well-read household knew what stare decisis is.

In my world that is intellectual snobbery.

Thinking yourself better because you know stuff.

My wife is well-read. I never said that about myself.

We're not interested in law. I hated Business Law in college. Dry and boring.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:25 PM | Reply

"You called me out for having to research something."

Let's talk about that!

Tell us about the sources you consulted in your research.

Were any of them primary sources, e.g. The Constitution itself?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 11:26 PM | Reply

42, 43.

One of the nice things about Judaism. As the scholars have asserted for centuries, you can be just about anything and still be Jewish. Even atheist.

Some would say even Messianic.

I draw the line there, personally. At that point, everyone can throw everyone else out of the pool for not being Christian enough or according to one's own well-researched standards.

#49 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 11:26 PM | Reply

We're not interested in law. I hated Business Law in college. Dry and boring.
#47 | Posted by BillJohnson

JFC, Bill, you're on here all the freaking time talking about the law.

#50 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 11:27 PM | Reply

We're not interested in law. I hated Business Law in college. Dry and boring.
Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:25 PM | Reply

Then don't post about the constitution with your self-admittedly ignorant opinion. DUH

#51 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-06 11:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

47.

You do a lot of research, but you're not well read.

You seem to be tied up like a pretzel in lots of different ways.

I got issues, too. Don't worry.

#52 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 11:29 PM | Reply

Db,

"Bill, you're on here all the freaking time talking about the law."

That's not possible but I don't know much about law.

I have to look stuff up and I know that's not something I do a great deal.

Alex,

I research. If I post something incorrect tell me and we'll pursue it.

I like being corrected if it's actually accurate and not liberal propaganda being spread by people don't bother to verify it (that seems to be the case a lot on this site)

#53 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:33 PM | Reply

I return to the point I made weeks ago.

If anyone is on a forum like this, jabbering away about Supreme Court precedent and constitutional history, and they don't know what stare decisis is, I might as well be reading economic analysis from someone who can't make change.

Not snobbery. Common sense.

I'd rather talk theology with you.

#54 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-06 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Db,

My wife's Master is in History. Research is her middle name. She loves the internet and her tablet.

#55 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:36 PM | Reply

"I like being corrected if it's actually accurate and not liberal propaganda"

Hahahahaha.

Name anything anyone has ever corrected you on here, that wasn't accurate.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 11:37 PM | Reply

"you can be just about anything and still be Jewish."

Sammy Davis Jr., welcome to the Drudge Retort.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 11:39 PM | Reply

Db,

My posts are oftentimes a combined effort with my wife.

She's great at finding information.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:39 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Name anything anyone has ever corrected you on here, that wasn't accurate."

You a couple days ago and then you back peddled.

Did you wipe your boots like I said where you stepped in it?

Not in the mood for --- for tat with you just pointless back and forth.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:41 PM | Reply

"You a couple days ago and then you back peddled."

I said that immigrants can buy guns.

I'm not back pedaling from the truth.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 11:42 PM | Reply

"Not in the mood for --- for tat with you just pointless back and forth."

Mood's a thing for cattle and love play.

You're a weak man.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 11:44 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

You said,

They get Second Amendment rights after they get vetted

No...being vetted doesn't give you 2nd Amendment rights.

I then cited a couple of cases, the latest 2025, confirming that.

You back peddled and added "after they're legal"

Nuf of this...

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:55 PM | Reply

I'm done.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:58 PM | Reply

"being vetted doesn't give you 2nd Amendment rights."

The Constitution gives people 2A rights.

Immigratnts who have been vetted and thus here legally enjoy those rights.

I don't know why you chose this hill to die on.

But you're dead nonetheless.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-07 12:03 AM | Reply

"You back peddled and added "after they're legal"

Vetted immigrants are legal immigrants, half-pint.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-07 12:04 AM | Reply

Maybe you don't know what vetted means.

You lied when the Navy vetted you.

Can you be a strong enough man to acknowledge that?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-07 12:10 AM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Immigratnts who have been vetted and thus here legally enjoy those rights."

No "thus".

They are not "thus" here legally.

Either your English is confused or your logic is.

I bet you sucked in math too.

#67 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-07 12:17 AM | Reply

I'm done.
#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 11:58 PM

I bet you sucked in math too.
#67 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-07 12:17 AM

Just like NASCAR. If you wait long enough . . .

#68 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-07 12:21 AM | Reply

"you can be just about anything and still be Jewish."
Sammy Davis Jr., welcome to the Drudge Retort.

#57 | Posted by snoofy

Let's tie all this together.

We're a nation being ripped apart for years by white Christian nationalists

and like the Rat Pack

Catholics and Jews are disproportionately represented on the Supreme Court.

#69 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-07 12:28 AM | Reply

I like being corrected if it's actually accurate and not liberal propaganda

READ the actual constitution you dope.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-07 12:32 AM | Reply

RUBIO: "And in some parts of the world where there's very limited documentation, very limited, you can't just go out and interview people in many cases because of the presence of the Taliban, et cetera. It becomes very difficult."

I just worked with a group that couldn't interview people on the Los Angeles streets this summer because of ICE.

#71 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-07 12:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

RUBIO: "And in some parts of the world where there's very limited documentation, very limited, you can't just go out and interview people in many cases because of the presence of the Taliban, et cetera. It becomes very difficult."

I just worked with a group that couldn't interview people on the Los Angeles streets this summer because of ICE.

#72 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-07 12:37 AM | Reply

RUBIO: "And in some parts of the world where there's very limited documentation, very limited, you can't just go out and interview people in many cases because of the presence of the Taliban, et cetera. It becomes very difficult."

I just worked with a group that couldn't interview people on the Los Angeles streets this summer because of ICE.

#73 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-07 12:37 AM | Reply

Oops.

#74 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-12-07 12:38 AM | Reply

They are not "thus" here legally.
#67 | Posted by BillJohnson

Sure they are. Once they're vetted, we let them in, legally.

That's what "vetted" is.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-07 09:42 AM | Reply

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