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Wednesday, October 14, 2026

The soft bigotry of low expectations strikes again. In New York, the City Council is moving to get rid of tests for specialized schools because whites and Asians outperform blacks and Latinos.

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My question is, why dont we as blacks ask "What are white and asians doing right that we are doing wrong"?

#1 | Posted by subliberal at 2026-10-14 09:26 AM | Reply

Public school unions are a scourge on our country.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-10-14 10:51 AM | Reply

Public school unions are a scourge on our country.
#2 | Posted by BellRinger

OK, troll, how? One of my sons and his wife have been public school teachers (middle and high school) for the last 10 years, from high-rent White districts in the Mountain West to more urban districts south of DC. They've had stronger unions, and not as strong unions.

Unions are helping teachers try to live normal lives, in my kids' experience, by making sure school systems pay them what they deserve, good benefits, retirement plans, and making sure they get appropriate time off.

What have they done to you or the United States, Bellringer? Put what public school unions' scourges against their benefits on your pros and cons list. I'm guessing you know lots and lots about the subject other than what the news has delivered to you.

#3 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 11:02 AM | Reply

My question is, why dont we as blacks ask "What are white and asians doing right that we are doing wrong"?

#1 | Posted by subliberal

I don't understand. Elaborate.

Most Asians in the US, like most Jews throughout history, have a culture of wanting excellent education for their kids.

Way too many American Whites, sorry to say, do not. They have other priorities that may not have to do with education. Do they have a good football team? How do the buses run? Do I have to sign up to volunteer? When should I bring cookies? Are there children in the classroom who identify as cats?

So maybe the problem is not the public schools. It's that too many White Americans don't care about them, or are just plain stupid.

#4 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 11:08 AM | Reply

"Whites and Asians outperform blacks and Latinos"

Not news. Nor are the historical reasons for this news a secret.

Y'all would have a lot more cred around here if you just admitted what you seem to be based on your posting history -- racists -- instead of hiding behind open-ended questions and trolling statements.

#5 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then again, Jeff will deny his posting history.

And there's no way subliberal is Boaz. I doubt Boaz could even formulate AI prompts to get what subliberal is posting. He's not the sharpest pencil in the box. And that's not a racist statement. I don't doubt that he was outnumbered by the number of whites with equal critical thinking skills.

#6 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 11:15 AM | Reply

-Then again, Jeff will deny his posting history.

So what, you deny yours.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-10-14 11:51 AM | Reply

This is why public school unions suck:

They fight to oppose school choice
They lead the charge for prolonged school closures during COVID
They oppose any kind of meritocracy for judging performance
They are purely a political regime. They coerce dues that flow to Democrat coffers and when elected those democrats award them largesse. It's a simbiotic relationship between employer and worker which is wholly different than private sector unions and employers.
The unions, but not necessarily the teachers, are far more invested in indoctrination than actual teaching.

Literacy and math rates have been on a downward trajectory as public school unions have amassed more power, money, influence and control.

It's no wonder DBD2 worships them. And yes, I have a number of friends and family members who are teachers.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-10-14 12:00 PM | Reply

You deny yours.
#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Prove it.

#9 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 12:07 PM | Reply

8. I could take you down on your alleged factual points. I won't address your talking points.

"Literacy and math rates have been on a downward trajectory as public school unions have amassed more power, money, influence and control."

How many dozens of statistical variables are you ignoring?

What do you consider "amass[ing] more power, money, influence and control"? How has that been exhibited? And has it worked?

#10 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 12:11 PM | Reply

You deny yours.
#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds

From the human who has pages and pages of Retort postings he'll deny.

Oddly on the same topic of sex. Kinda gross sex.

Weird.

#11 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 12:13 PM | Reply

" What do you consider "amass[ing] more power, money, influence and control"? How has that been exhibited? And has it worked?
#10 | POSTED BY DBT2 AT 2026-10-14 12:11 PM | FLAG: "

Which organizations have pushed to end standardized testing like the SAT? Have they been successful (yes). And what have been the results of that advocacy?

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-10-14 12:19 PM | Reply

I asked AI your question. The most recent history. Y'all are all about STEM, right?

The push to end or drop the SAT and ACT has been driven by university leaders, public officials, and advocacy groups who argue that standardized tests are biased against low-income and minority students and favor wealthy applicants who can afford expensive test prep.

Key Figures and Institutions Behind the Push

Janet Napolitano: As president of the University of California (UC) system, she pushed in 2020 to drop the testing requirement, leading the UC system to phase out and eventually eliminate SAT/ACT scores.
Carol Christ: The chancellor of UC Berkeley strongly advocated for dropping standardized testing, calling the influence of test scores and admission inequities "grotesque" following high-profile admissions scandals.
The University of California Board of Regents: Voted 23"0 in 2020 to phase out SAT and ACT requirements, later settling a lawsuit to go completely test-free for admissions and scholarships through spring 2025.
Higher Education Advocates and Critics: Commentators like Christopher Rim and various educational equity organizations have argued that the tests do not accurately predict college success for all demographics and perpetuate socioeconomic divides.
COVID-19 Disruptions: When pandemic-related test center closures made taking the exams difficult, hundreds of universities (including many Ivy League and selective institutions) adopted test-optional or test-blind policies.

The Reversal and Pushback

In recent years, many faculty members, STEM professors, and administrators have pushed back to restore the SAT and ACT. Research and campus observations revealed that dropping test requirements led to unexpected challenges, including high numbers of incoming students struggling with foundational math and academic preparation.

#13 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 12:36 PM | Reply

I posted the same question to AI about the period between 1980 and 2020. Just not seeing a lot about the power of teachers' unions yet.

Between 1980 and 2020, the push to eliminate or de-emphasize the SAT was led by a mixture of advocacy organizations, high-profile university leadership, and grassroots education coalitions. Their efforts gradually shifted the college admissions landscape from universal testing toward the modern "test-optional" model.
The primary forces driving this movement during those four decades included:

1. Advocacy Groups (The Groundwork)

FairTest (The National Center for Fair & Open Testing): Founded in 1985, FairTest was the centralized backbone of the anti-SAT movement. Led by public education directors like Robert Schaeffer, the non-profit aggressively campaigned against the test, arguing that it was a poor predictor of college success, was culturally and socioeconomically biased, and favored wealthy students who could afford expensive test preparation. They meticulously tracked and promoted colleges that dropped the test requirement to prove the feasibility of a test-optional system.

2. Influential Higher Education Leaders

Richard C. Atkinson (President of the University of California System): In February 2001, Atkinson delivered a groundbreaking speech recommending that the massive UC system completely drop the SAT I requirement. A cognitive psychologist by trade, he argued that the test did not align with high school curricula, focused too heavily on vague notions of "inherent aptitude," and forced a destructive commercialization of test prep. Because UC was the largest single consumer of the SAT, his public denunciation sent shockwaves through higher education and legitimized the test-optional debate for selective, public universities.
William Hiss (Bates College): As the Dean of Admissions at Bates College, Hiss led the school to go test-optional in 1984. Over the next few decades, he published influential, long-term studies demonstrating that there was virtually no difference in college graduation rates or GPAs between students who submitted SAT scores and those who didn't, providing the movement with critical empirical data.

3. Professional Educational Associations

National Association for College Admission Counseling (NACAC): In 2008, NACAC released a landmark report urging colleges to reconsider their reliance on the SAT and ACT. The report highlighted fears that standardized testing created barriers for low-income and minority students, prompting a significant wave of liberal arts colleges to eliminate the testing mandate over the subsequent decade.

4. Early-Adopting Institutions

Prior to 2020, a steady stream of individual universities stepped up to challenge the status quo. Following early leaders like Bowdoin College (which went test-optional in 1969), schools like Wake Forest University (2008) and the University of Chicago (2018) made waves by dropping the requirement, proving that elite, highly selective institutions could maintain high academic standards without the SAT.

By the time the COVID-19 pandemic hit in 2020 and forced widespread test-center closures, the decades of groundwork laid by these individuals and groups made the sudden pivot to a near-universal test-optional model a smooth and logical transition for over 1,000 universities.

#14 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 12:37 PM | Reply

" In recent years, many faculty members, STEM professors, and administrators have pushed back to restore the SAT and ACT. Research and campus observations revealed that dropping test requirements led to unexpected challenges, including high numbers of incoming students struggling with foundational math and academic preparation.

#13 | POSTED BY DBT2 AT 2026-10-14 12:36 PM | FLAG: "

Good. The pushback is sorely needed.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-10-14 12:47 PM | Reply

DBT2

Thank you for posting something substantive.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-10-14 12:49 PM | Reply


I posted the same question to AI about the period between 1980 and 2020. Just not seeing a lot about the power of teachers' unions yet.

You need to use your head. Sometimes people need to realize the propaganda that their AI requests generate.

The National Education Association (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) have long opposed standardized testing in K-12 education, and they extended this position to college admissions.

Join NEA in calling on colleges and universities to rely on well-rounded information beyond standardized tests so that together, we can ensure every student has a chance to gain the real-world skills they need to succeed.
www.nea.org

You seriously can't be posting AI and not think its full of propaganda.

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-10-14 12:54 PM | Reply

Its fascinating to me how people can't see the trend that started in K-12 to end standardized testing and that would eventually end in wanting to get rid of the SAT.

For a more "holistic" admissions process.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-10-14 12:59 PM | Reply

Here is the response from my prompt "How much money did the NEA spend to get rid of the SAT"

The NEA is a massive organization with a budget of roughly $450 million, dedicating over $50 million annually directly to political activities and lobbying. Instead of writing checks to universities (which are independent entities and cannot be directly lobbied like politicians), the NEA influences college policies indirectly through:

The "Demand Colleges Drop Testing Requirements" Campaign: The NEA uses its core operational and digital media funds to run grassroots advocacy initiatives. They provide tools for their three million members to flood university admissions boards with letters and petitions.

State-Level Pressure: The NEA's most significant wins against the SAT happen via state affiliates that lobby state governments. For example, local teacher unions heavily backed the legislative and legal pressure in California that ultimately pushed the University of California (UC) and California State University (CSU) systems to go completely test-blind.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-10-14 01:06 PM | Reply

Prove it.

#9 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag

You created another account.

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-10-14 01:15 PM | Reply

"the power of teachers' unions"

So powerful that teachers have ten times the education of cops, and make a quarter the money.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-10-14 02:13 PM | Reply

"This is why public school unions suck:
They fight to oppose school choice"

^
How has "school choice" made things better?
Show me with real examples from where "school choice" is a thing.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-10-14 02:16 PM | Reply

BellRinger was homeschooled.

His only experience with public school was getting chased out of one after being discovered hiding in the girl's bathroom

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-10-14 02:23 PM | Reply

You created another account.
#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I certainly did, because sometime in the early 2020s, I asked him to make sure I couldn't log in again. I was spending too much time here.

My name was Domingo_b, hence DBT2, Domingo-b-try two. If you want to ask Hans's friend to pull up my posting history from then, you'll find where I was 15 years ago. I got nothing to hide. No lies, no secret fetishes.

But I didn't want to bother rcade with the change, so there you have it.

Got anything else? Want to tell us what other names you've posted under here?

#24 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 02:55 PM | Reply

Sorry, 2010s.

#25 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2026-10-14 02:55 PM | Reply

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