How many Ukrainians have gone to Valhalla for NATO?

The world may never know.

It's top secret.

Even Congress isn't given any information.

Gee, I wonder why?

Could it be because the figures dwarf Russian losses?

Could it be because the desire to continue might flag if it looks like the Ukrainians are running out of eligible meat for the grinder?

Or is it guilt because this war obviously only helps military contractors and War Pigs in Europe and the US?

Ukrainians only get to Die.

They don't even have a Democracy to die for.

It was taken away by Zelinsky for his own self serving reasons.

#12 How do you know? The Ukrainian losses are secret information. Not available even by AI. Why are they secret? Why are Russian figures so Clear but Ukrainian figures impossible to determine?

That looks like the numbers are Bad. Not reassuring, but rather, Distressing.

If the numbers were good why hide them?

From Everyone.

#19 Putin wanted to talk with Biden and NATO leaders about NATO and Security arrangements In December 2021. He warned that Military Technical operations would proceed unless an agreement was made.

Biden refused talk about it at all. NATO likewise.

Putin wasn't bluffing. Then in early 2022 when a cease fire was still possible if the right deal was made,the NATO countries refused to participate and encouraged the Ukrainians to keep fighting to "Weaken Russia".

It looks like there's plenty of blame on both sides for this horror.

Now Ukraine will lose far more than if they had Negotiated.

NATO doesn't care. It's seen as a cheap way to "Weaken Russia" without anybody Who Matters getting hurt.

Cynical... Sick ----...

Why wouldn't Biden talk to Putin? What's wrong with at least trying to negotiate to Prevent War?

Biden just called Putin a Thug and called for Regime Change in Russia.

Not Diplomacy, the very opposite of it, in fact.

A little good will and some Actual Diplomatic relationships could have prevented this or at least Minimized the extent of it.

Instead, Biden chose insults and stonewalling over Negotiations and Detente.

It looks to me like NATO WANTED WAR.

Biden certainly didn't do Anything to even try to avoid a Russian move on Ukraine.

They never discussed NATO. They never discussed security arrangements.

Biden refused to have high level talks in December 2021 to consider the issue of Ukraine joining NATO.

He Stonewalled them. He said Ukraine could join if they were eligible and said they wouldn't be for several more years. So Putin could just calm down.

Putin wanted more than that. He wanted high Level diplomatic discussion about the role Ukraine would play in future years. He wanted to discuss arms control and the Ukrainian civil war in the Donbass.

Biden contemptuously refused to engage and started predicting a Russian invasion that he was knowingly provoking.

NATO just parroted the US line of BS.

This war was knowingly provoked and Biden was fine with that.

Putin was dumb enough to do it.

But it wasn't a lightning bolt in a blue sky.

NATO pushed it but didn't see how bad it really would be.

Putin likewise underestimated the dangers and consequences of open War.

Now NATO is Losing the War they Provoked.

Ironic isn't it.

No Ukraine was snookered into be thinking they were tougher than they are and now that they're losing it's turning to NATO running like rats off a sinking ship.

Watch the next year or so.

Pretty soon it'll be, Zelinsky Who? I don't remember him?

NATO will either escalate to WW3 or cut and run like they did in Afghanistan.

My guess is RUN.

It's cheaper and more of a piece with their past performance.

Not Win Unconditionally, Just not Lose.

Sanctions failed. The Wonder Weapons weren't so wonderful.

Russia is fighting competitively against both sanctions and open war with NATO Armed and Funded Ukraine and the full intelligence capacity of the West.

Ukraine isn't going to get the Donbass back. The Crimea has been gone for ten years. They are full members of the Russian Federation. They wanted to join.

GET OVER IT. I know defeat is humiliating.

NATO isn't directly engaged. They are arming,funding and informing the Ukrainians.

That's only a small remove from actually fighting.

NATO has a history of losing interest and just pulling out, Libya, Afghanistan. Even Serbia to some degree as only the Brits really participated.

NATO has MASSIVE war games and exercises on the Russian Western borders. They crowd Russia on the entire western periphery of their lands.

Russia was Wrong to Hit first. No argument. Putin was clear what they wanted though nobody took it at face value.

Russia isn't fighting NATO cuz that would be WW3...No holds barred most likely.

Russia Is fighting an open proxy war with NATO. With Russia as a direct belligerent but not NATO itself, Yet.

Ukraine will likely never regain their lost territory through war,only by Negotiations, if then.

Why are people still dying over this?. That's the Question. I know if I was Ukrainian I wouldn't want to die for a line on a map. Especially now when it's obvious my death would mean Nothing. Change Nothing.

NATO just doesn't want to admit Ukraine can't do it. That they have been defeated in the East.

Russia wants to negotiate.They have largely achieved their objectives.

Ukraine hasn't and won't.

It Sucks, but I guess NATO doesn't care how many Ukrainians have to Die or be Maimed to keep going. It's not their people getting wasted,it's not their infrastructure getting pulverized, it's not their country being dismembered.

Morality has a place and Russia was clearly wrong, but for God's sake just stop making it worse and risking World War... to Lose Anyway.

People say the Palestinians should know when they're beaten
And just leave or make peace.

Rightly so. At least to a point. Is endless war in anyone's interest.

Apparently so if your own people aren't getting killed and your own country isn't getting destroyed and it's profitable,and helps test new weapons.

Without the loss of any American lives.

Sick Cynical ----.

Have you talked to any Ukrainians actually fighting?

Why did half the eligible males flee the country? Why is Zelinsky trying to get the Western allies to force them to return?

How much of their will to fight propaganda and how much is real?

I don't pretend to know but I do know several million males fled Ukraine and aren't going back even if their means of support is terminated.

I do know the Ukrainians are grabbing people off the street to fight.

Sixty year old men are being drafted.

Recruiting new soldiers isn't volunteers, it's people being dragooned.

Forcible Conscription.

That doesn't sound like patriotic fervor,it's more like slavery.

Oh..and all national elections both executive and legislative have been cancelled indefinitely.

Putin stood for Re Election. Zelinsky cancelled all elections and banned all opposition Parties from participating in government.

Which Country is the Democracy?

Everyone knows ZELINSKY CANCELLED ALL ELECTIONS. BANNED ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES FROM THE RADA.

It's not a secret. He made himself an Unaccountable dictator and now is purging the High Ministries of any possible dissenters to his Rule.

Firing any high military officials not with his maximalist program.

How is this different from what you say Russia is?

I'll Wait...