Monday, October 14, 2024

Why COVID-19 Vaccine Protection Quickly Wanes

Neither vaccinations nor immunity from infections seem to thwart SARS-CoV-2 for long.

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Although the vaccines do provide short term protection, the bad news is neither Covid mRNA vaccines nor being infected with Covid provide long term immunity/protection from infection:

"The bad news is the failure of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines themselves"with or without natural infections"to induce LLPCs in the bone marrow," he says. "The good news is this failure itself provides a research opportunity to find a way to change the fate of short-lived vaccines."

The fact that neither the mRNA vaccines nor coming down with Covid provide long term protection seems to explain why people can be infected by Covid multiple times.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-14 10:38 AM

@#1 ... Although the vaccines do provide short term protection, the bad news is neither Covid mRNA vaccines nor being infected with Covid provide long term immunity/protection from infection: ...

I read the cited article, and one thing I noticed was that "short-term" was not really defined.

Yeah, there was the nebulous "few months" description.

But what does "few" mean?

2 0r 3?

5 or 6?


Currently, I am waiting 4 months between COVID booster updates.

Is that 4 month period within the "few months" of the article?


Much like when COVID first appeared on the stage back in 2020 (e.g., was it passed on by touch or air?), not enough seems to be known ...



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-14 09:40 PM

www.science.org

Another lok at the problem.

#3 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2024-10-14 10:15 PM

@#3 ... Another lok at the problem. ...

Yup.

It seems that current research is showing that there is a difference between the short-term immunity of the COVID vaccines as compared to the long-term immunity presented by the, e.g. polio vaccines.

imo, this is a good thing.

Recognizing a deficiency and then trying to eliminate that deficiency.



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-14 11:26 PM

Even Fauci isn't getting regular (every 4 month) boosters. And he makes a dollar for every shot.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-15 03:17 AM

Most people I know who're over the age of 50 and got the shot, ended up getting COVID and nearly dying.

I wouldn't put that ---- in my body for any amount of compensation.

#6 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-15 08:25 AM

Don't forget to tip the person who penetrates you.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-15 09:53 AM

My shot is scheduled for noon today.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-10-15 10:28 AM

I went about 2 years between my last shot and this newest one. In that time, I'm pretty sure I had a mild case of covid. I think I've had it twice. And I still attribute the mild cases to having been vaccinated.

Not that all of the unvaccinated died, but all of the people I know who died of the virus had not been vaccinated. Every one of them refused the shot.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-10-15 10:56 AM

#6 | Posted by lfthndthrds

We already know you're brain damaged. But you do you.

#11 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-10-15 10:58 AM

I've never had a case of Covid. What I have had is myocarditis right after I had my first and only booster. My initial vaccine was the two shot Pfizer routine and I had no major ill effects. I don't remember what the booster was, but I know it wasn't Pfizer.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-15 11:22 AM

"...What I have had is myocarditis right after I had my first and only booster." -

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-15 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag: The medical community responds to visitor_

#13 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-15 11:30 AM

The only good thing about covid was how many republicans killed themselves to prove it's not real.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-15 12:50 PM

Despite the Biden/Harris great replacement open borders policy, there are more Republicans than ever before.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-15 12:59 PM

"Despite the Biden/Harris great replacement open borders policy, there are more Republicans than ever before." -

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-15 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag: visitor_'s "source" for this post

#16 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-15 01:04 PM

Despite the Biden/Harris great replacement open borders policy, there are more Republicans than ever before.

#15 | Posted by visitor_

Not as many as there would be if you morons wore masks and got vaccinated.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-15 01:06 PM

Most people I know who're over the age of 50 and got the shot, ended up getting COVID and nearly dying.

Sure you did.

#18 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-15 02:39 PM

"I went about 2 years between my last shot and this newest one. In that time, I'm pretty sure I had a mild case of covid. I think I've had it twice. And I still attribute the mild cases to having been vaccinated."

Sounds like magical thinking, given the article says that the vaccine protection quickly wanes.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-15 06:40 PM

Pretty sure thinking is something you know little to nothing about, Nazi.

#20 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-15 11:09 PM

I've never had a case of Covid. What I have had is myocarditis right after I had my first and only booster. My initial vaccine was the two shot Pfizer routine and I had no major ill effects. I don't remember what the booster was, but I know it wasn't Pfizer.

#12 | Posted by visitor_

So you're a boy of 12-14 years of age?

That explains sooo much, you have no idea.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-16 10:23 AM

Great, now I have to worry about JPW and Tim Walz showing up at my house.

#22 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-16 10:54 AM

Exactly the type of response a childish mind would come up with.

You do know the Walz accusations have been shown to be fabricated, right?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-16 12:11 PM

On topic, I saw this paper and thought it an interesting read.

However, there's a few things at issue.

There's more than one way to activate B cells, one of which doesn't require receptor crosslinking. In fact, most B cell responses against viruses aren't via simple receptor cross linking because it does require a highly repetitive antigen (target).

Second, there's a common mistake in the media to call antibodies "immunity," when they're only a single aspect of immunity. Antibodies wane naturally after the infection is cleared. They have to. But that's why memory responses are important.

Finally, we're still in a time frame where new strains have novel enough changes that it can get around antibodies but not necessarily T cells. It's the T cell responses that are likely responsible for continued far lower numbers of hospitalizations and deaths that we see with newer strains.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-16 12:20 PM

Interesting stuff but above my pay grade.

This past weekend I was on YouTube and came across a video of things viewed through an electron microscope. One of the most fascinating was a white blood cell chasing down bacteria. White blood cells must be terrifying to any foreign entity of the same size. It was tenacious.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-16 12:25 PM

"Interesting stuff but above my pay grade."

Interesting. Most things appear to be above your pay grade.

Yet that never stopped you before.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-16 12:29 PM

Not as many as there would be if you morons wore masks and got vaccinated.
#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Biden Harris border policy didn't require migrants to do either of these things

Why force legal immigrants like myself and citizens to be required but not the line jumping newcomers?

Seems like an indication it didn't work regardless of policy.

Or was it Biden's policy to endanger more people?

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-16 12:36 PM

"Biden Harris border policy didn't require migrants to do either of these things" -

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-16 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Interesting way of looking at this

#28 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-16 12:45 PM

U.S. has vaccinated 20,000 migrants in border custody as part of massive operation

- May 19 2022

And in the article there's a video and picture of everyone wearing masks.

#29 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2024-10-16 01:00 PM

#27 | Posted by oneironaut

The covid vaccine was NEVER mandatory in the US. There were always other options.

Liar.

#30 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-10-16 01:26 PM

A vaccination for a virus so deadly, you had to be tested to even know if you had it.

JPW is a quack. He was flipping burgers during COVID plandemic and telling everyone he had a pDh in virology.

#31 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-16 03:05 PM

New Nasal Vaccines Offer Better Protection from COVID and Flu"No Needle Needed

Gentle nasal spray vaccines against COVID, the flu and RSV are coming. They may work better than shots in the arm

Vaccines delivered through the nose are now being tested for several diseases. In the U.S., early clinical trials are showing success. Two of these vaccines have generated multiple immune system responses against the COVID-causing virus in people who received them through a puff up the nose; earlier this year their makers received nearly $20 million from Project NextGen, the Biden-Harris administration's COVID medical initiative. Researchers are optimistic that a nasal spray delivering a COVID vaccine could be ready for the U.S. as soon as 2027. Although recent efforts have focused on inoculations against SARS-CoV-2, nasal vaccines could also protect us against the flu, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), and more.

www.scientificamerican.com

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-16 03:21 PM

A vaccination for a virus so deadly, you had to be tested to even know if you had it.

Tell me you're clueless without telling me you're clueless.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-16 04:21 PM

" The covid vaccine was NEVER mandatory in the US. There were always other options.

Liar.

#30 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2024-10-16 01:26 PM | FLAG: "

Members of the military were discharged for refusing the jab

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-16 09:13 PM

Members of the military were discharged for refusing the jab

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-16 09:13 PM | Reply

As they should have been. Once you sign on the dotted line you belong to the government. The government has a duty to protect their property period.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-10-16 09:29 PM

#35. Okay. But Whatsleft claimed the vaccine was never mandatory and I provided evidence to the contrary.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-16 09:35 PM

@#34 ... Members of the military were discharged for refusing the jab ...

As the military should have done.

The task that is assigned to the military is for, among other things, readiness.


Based upon the medical information available, the military determined that it's force should be vaccinated.

So, what's your current alias' beef?


#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-16 09:36 PM

Members of the military were discharged for refusing the jab

That was their option. They took it.

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-10-16 10:33 PM

" Members of the military were discharged for refusing the jab
... ... ...
That was their option. They took it.

#38 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-10-16 10:33 PM | FLAG: "

Okay.

" So refuse the jab and you lose your job and livelihood."

Nothing compulsory about that! - Redial

Do you even hear yourself?

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-16 10:42 PM

#39 | Posted by Posted by JeffJ/Bellringer at 2024-10-16 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Still awaiting word on this book

#40 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-16 10:45 PM

once you join the military you sign over your rights and literally have to take whatever vaccine is given to you (including the "peanut butter shot")

thats how its always been until idiots like conspiracy theorist alex jones convinced his followers that ONE vaccine is sonehow bad.

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-16 10:50 PM

@#39 ... Nothing compulsory about that! ...

Yup, nothing compulsory.

They were presented with a choice.

How is that compulsory?

#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-16 10:55 PM

Members of the military were discharged for refusing the jab

#34 | Posted by BellRinger

FFS please stop calling it "the jab."

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-17 03:13 AM

#39 | Posted by BellRinger

Bellrung is surprised to learn that people who sign up to potentially die on other people's orders lose their jobs for not following an order they willingly followed when they signed up.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-17 03:14 AM

" FFS please stop calling it "the jab."

#43 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-10-17 03:13 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Why? I'm not using it as a pejorative. I got the Covid jab. I talked to my doctor about it. She laid out the positives and the risks and it ended up being an easy decision for me.

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-17 01:27 PM

Members of the military were discharged for refusing the jab

#34 | Posted by BellRinger

Yep. The option was that they could seek other employment.

#46 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-10-17 02:54 PM

"Why? I'm not using it as a pejorative." -

#45 | Posted by JeffJ/Bellringer at 2024-10-17 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag: Believes everyone is as stupid as he is

Still awaiting word on this book

#47 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-17 03:08 PM

" Yep. The option was that they could seek other employment.

#46 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2024-10-17 02:54 PM |"

I which is super easy, especially in an economy that was partially shut down. / snark

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-10-17 03:40 PM

#48

Followed a few months later by an economy where anyone with a pulse and an IQ above 80 could find a job.

But, why would they have no problem taking the rest of the vaccinations that the military requires, but not the covid shot? They had a choice...

#49 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-10-17 04:55 PM

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