Friday, November 01, 2024

Gun Death Rates in U.S. Comparable to War Zones

The report, published Wednesday by the Commonwealth Fund, an independent research group, found that the overall rate of firearms deaths in Mississippi was nearly twice that of Haiti, an impoverished Caribbean nation where violent gangs control large swaths of the country and whose president was assassinated by gunmen in 2021.

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Congrats to the GQP/NRA for turning the USA into a slaughterhouse.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-31 04:46 PM

Exciting!

#2 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-11-01 05:48 PM

Mississippi and Haiti must have something in common.

#3 | Posted by beavercleaver at 2024-11-01 06:26 PM

No question but that a public school in Haiti is safer than one in the USA. In the USA little kids are required to participate in mass shooter drills. Think about that for a moment!

#4 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-11-01 06:49 PM

Obligatory:

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here's how it happened.

www.brennancenter.org

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-01 07:19 PM

meh... small price for safety...

#6 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-11-01 08:05 PM

But what is the murder rate when we exclude Democrats shooting other Democrats? Black males (an 80%+ voting block for the Dems) commit about 60% of all murders. Black women (a 95%+ voting block for the Dems) have a per capita murder rate higher than that of white males.

Here is the reality, the per capita murder rate for white Americans (and by that I mean WHITE and not WHITE MEXICAN) is on par with Europe. So, do we have a gun problem or of a culture problem?

#7 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-02 10:26 AM

#7 | Posted by deadman | Flag: Serious level

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-02 10:28 AM

Jackson, Mississippi is a wild place. The kind of place where white posters here pull up to a light, look around, and make sure their doors are locked.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-02 10:37 AM

#7 | Posted by deadman

The FBI crime statistics and other reputable studies show that the vast majority of homicides are intraracial, not interracial as suggested.

According to recent FBI data, about 81% of white victims were killed by white offenders, and 89% of Black victims were killed by Black offenders. These intraracial homicide rates have remained consistent over time, typically ranging between 80-90% for both groups.

The claim about Black-on-white crime rates is not supported by evidence. FBI data from 2019 shows that of white victims, about 17% were killed by Black offenders, not the 81% claimed.

It's also important to note that various socioeconomic factors influence crime statistics and should not be used to make broad generalizations about racial groups or political affiliations. Reputable studies have found that poverty, urbanization, and other social factors are stronger predictors of crime rates than race.

Focusing on factual data from authoritative sources like the FBI and peer-reviewed studies provides a more accurate understanding of crime patterns, without resorting to misleading stereotypes or unfounded political claims.

IOW, your reality does not align with the evidence and data in the real world.

Swallow it.

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-11-02 04:23 PM

Mississippi and Haiti must have something in common.

#3 | Posted by beavercleaver

Ya ... they're both last in most categories like income and education.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-11-02 06:58 PM

"The FBI crime statistics and other reputable studies show that the vast majority of homicides are intraracial, not interracial as suggested."

That was NEVER SUGGESTED by anything I wrote above. I spoke about the homicide rates for black males and black females being much higher than every other ethnic/gender pair. The only comment I made on the victims was that it was mainly Democrats killing Democrats. Given most of these killings occur in deep blue -------- cities, it is usually black Democrat killing black Democrat.

"The claim about Black-on-white crime rates is not supported by evidence. FBI data from 2019 shows that of white victims, about 17% were killed by Black offenders, not the 81% claimed."

No such claim was ever made. However, if you actually want to inform people, why don't you tell us of number of incidents of white perpetrator / black victim in the case of the rape and then the inverse?

"It's also important to note that various socioeconomic factors influence crime statistics and should not be used to make broad generalizations about racial groups or political affiliations."

Sure they do. Which is why murder rate in the US is almost 100% correlated with the % of black population by county.

"IOW, your reality does not align with the evidence and data in the real world.
#10 | Posted by rstybeach11"

Nothing you posted addressed a single claim I made in my original posting. So, let's test the claims and you can then prove me wrong:

What is the per capita murder rate for black males?
What is the per capita murder rate for black females?
What is the per capita murder rate for white males?

Please, bring actual data to the discussion.

#12 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-02 09:57 PM

Deadboy has persuaded Donnie to------- shotgun at an NRA Rally before Election Day.

This should definitely seal the deal.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-02 10:03 PM

@#12

Why does the focus of your outrage seem to be on black vs white data?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-02 10:04 PM

a shotgun, not all them

not all at once, anyway

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-02 10:04 PM

"Why does the focus of your outrage seem to be on black vs white data?
#14 | Posted by LampLighter"

Provide the data I requested and then we can have a meaningful conversation. Google is your friend. I am not here to spoon feed askholes.

#16 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-02 10:09 PM

@#16 ... Provide the data I requested ...

So, your current alias has nothing in response to the simple question I asked.

Good to know.


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-02 10:26 PM

"@#16 ... Provide the data I requested ...
#17 | Posted by LampLighter"

Because you are lazy and stupid, I will even provide the link where you can find the data. What conclusion do you draw other than my statements being 100% factually correct?

www.statista.com

#18 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-02 10:29 PM

@#18 .. Because you are lazy and stupid, ...

OK, I ask, "Why does the focus of your outrage seem to be on black vs white data?"

And the reply is a dodge.

So I'll ask again...

"Why does the focus of your outrage seem to be on black vs white data?

The question is not about the ad hominem attack of whether I am lazy and stupid.

The question is about why your current alias seems to focus upon that topic, i.e., black vs white data.


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-02 10:38 PM

""Why does the focus of your outrage seem to be on black vs white data?"

Because as the data clearly points out, we have a racial/cultural problem. Trying to make all American responsible or taking away the rights of law-abiding people will do nothing to solve the problem if you are not willing to address the root cause.

"The question is not about the ad hominem attack of whether I am lazy and stupid."

Yes, it is. You are a lazy and stupid askhole. Always asking for links/data but never actually reading it so you can come back and ask for the same data a week or month later. Classic askhole behavior.

"The question is about why your current alias seems to focus upon that topic, i.e., black vs white data.
#19 | Posted by LampLighter"

Already noted above.

#20 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-02 10:41 PM

Please, bring actual data to the discussion.
#12 | Posted by deadman

It's available for you. Your willful ignorance inhibits you from discovering the basic truth.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-11-02 10:44 PM

Provide the data I requested and then we can have a meaningful conversation. Google is your friend. I am not here to spoon feed askholes.
#16 | Posted by deadman

HAHA!

This is awesome.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-11-02 10:49 PM

@#20 ... Because as the data clearly points out, we have a racial/cultural problem. ...

Thank-you for admitting that.

And, now can we get back to the question I have been intimating? ...

Why do we have a racial/cultural problem?


It is easy to highlight a problem.

Symptoms are obvious. Solutions, more difficult.

So, how does your current alias propose we resolve that racial/cultural problem?

What should we do differently to find a solution to the racial/cultural problem your current alias highlights?



#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-02 10:49 PM

Because as the data clearly points out, we have a racial/cultural problem.

This speaks volumes about you. Appreciate your candor.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-11-02 10:51 PM

"@#20 ... Because as the data clearly points out, we have a racial/cultural problem. ...
Thank-you for admitting that."

I said we had a culture problem from my very first post moron.

"And, now can we get back to the question I have been intimating? ...
Why do we have a racial/cultural problem?"

Why do you think? Why do blacks shoot and murder people at rates multitudes higher than whites?

"It is easy to highlight a problem.
Symptoms are obvious. Solutions, more difficult."

Well, the first step to a solution is admitting that we have a problem. Do you now want to admit this is a problem in black American almost exclusively?

"So, how does your current alias propose we resolve that racial/cultural problem?"

Step 1 would be to actually enforce the law in deep blue -------- cities. Stop and Frisk in NYC worked wonders. Second would be locking up gun violence offenders for way longer sentences so they are not able to re-offend. 3-strike laws had a huge positive influence in making the cities safe. Third, we could enforce the border to finally tackle our drug problem and the violence that goes with it. Forth, we could turn back 60 years of Democrat policies which encouraged black women to have kids without a father around to raise the kid. So, those are some normal solutions that don't involve stripping the rights away from law-abiding people.

"What should we do differently to find a solution to the racial/cultural problem your current alias highlights?
#23 | Posted by LampLighter"

I would also think deporting Obama would make a huge positive step.

#25 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-02 10:58 PM

@#25 ... I said we had a culture problem from my very first post moron.

The very first post of your current alias, #7, says...

... Here is the reality, the per capita murder rate for white Americans (and by that I mean WHITE and not WHITE MEXICAN) is on par with Europe. So, do we have a gun problem or of a culture problem? ...

So, even in the first post of your current alias, you seem to be bring race into the conversation.

Why?

I'll ask again , as I said in #23 ...

Why do we have a racial/cultural problem?

It is easy to highlight a problem.

Symptoms are obvious. Solutions, more difficult.

So, how does your current alias propose we resolve that racial/cultural problem?


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-02 11:28 PM

Klansman doing his best to spin the racist angle

#27 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-11-02 11:51 PM

"So, how does your current alias propose we resolve that racial/cultural problem?
#26 | Posted by LampLighter"

Can't you read you askhole goof? I already give you solutions how to solve it in #25. I am done with you.

#28 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-03 12:01 AM

"doing his best to spin the racist angle
#27 | Posted by hamburglar"

So, facts are now racist? No wonder the Left has to rely solely on emotion now.

#29 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-03 12:02 AM

@#34 ... If the "facts" are coming from Klansman, racism is the intent ...

Based upon this thread, that does seem to be the case.

#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-03 01:00 AM

@#28 ... Can't you read you askhole goof? I already give you solutions how to solve it in #25. I am done with you. ...

Yes, I can read.

And my reading tells me that your current alias seems to want to attack the problem, and not solve the cause of that problem.

From your current alias' #25, which it seems to be so proud of ...

... Step 1 would be to actually enforce the law in deep blue -------- cities. Stop and Frisk in NYC worked wonders. Second would be locking up gun violence offenders for way longer sentences so they are not able to re-offend. 3-strike laws had a huge positive influence in making the cities safe. Third, we could enforce the border to finally tackle our drug problem and the violence that goes with it. Forth, we could turn back 60 years of Democrat policies which encouraged black women to have kids without a father around to raise the kid. So, those are some normal solutions that don't involve stripping the rights away from law-abiding people. ...

All that seems to be attacking the symptom (a symptom that seems to have been discerned in a politically racist view, but I digress).

So, I will ask once again ...

How does your current alias propose to resolve the problems it cites?

For starters...

... Stop and Frisk in NYC worked wonders. ...

NYPD's Infamous Stop-and-Frisk Policy Found Unconstitutional (2013)
civilrights.org

... In a decision announced last week, a federal judge found the New York City Police Department's "Stop-and-Frisk" policy unconstitutional. ...

So... your current alias seems to agree with fmr Pres Trump when he says he may want to terminate the rule of the Constitution?


Trump rebuked for call to terminate' Constitution over 2020 election results (2022)
www.pbs.org

... Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the "termination" of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen. ...


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-03 01:22 AM

@#29 ... So, facts are now racist? ...

That depends upon how and why they may be presented.

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-03 01:23 AM

Another aspect of stop and frisk ...

Stop-and-frisk in New York City
en.wikipedia.org

... In 2016, a reported 12,404 stops were made under the stop-and-frisk program. The stop-and-frisk program has previously taken place on a much wider scale. Between 2003 and 2013, over 100,000 stops were made per year, with 685,724 people being stopped at the height of the program in 2011.[1][2]

The program also became the subject of a racial-profiling controversy. Ninety percent of those stopped in 2017 were African-American or Latino, mostly aged 14"24. [3] By contrast, 54.1% of the population of New York City in 2010 was African-American or Latino;[4] however, 74.4% of individuals arrested overall were of those two racial groups.[5]

Research shows that "persons of African and Hispanic descent were stopped more frequently than whites, even after controlling for precinct variability and race-specific estimates of crime participation."[6] ...


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-03 01:27 AM

" Third, we could enforce the border to finally tackle our drug problem and the violence that goes with it."

You're ignoring 91% of the problem. And 100% of the buyers.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-03 01:29 AM

If the "facts" are coming from Klansman, racism is the intent

#35 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-11-03 01:49 AM

The environment youve carefully nurtured.

#36 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-11-03 08:25 AM

It appears that Deadfool is upset that Mafia Don chose a microphone over him.

Better luck next time!

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-03 10:42 AM


NYPD's Infamous Stop-and-Frisk Policy Found Unconstitutional

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-03 01:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

So is infringement on people's right to own firearms and limiting what people can say in an online forum, but there's a lot of people around here who isn't going to let that get in their way.

#38 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-03 12:29 PM

So is infringement on people's right to own firearms and limiting what people can say in an online forum, but there's a lot of people around here who isn't going to let that get in their way.

#38 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

The right to own a gun is not unlimited (as are most rights) and was never intended to be by the 2nd amendment. Do convicted criminals (prisoners) have a right to own firearms while in prison? Have they ever?

Online forums that are moderated by the site owners and are not restricted or limited by the 1st amendment. They can choose to allow lies or choose to not allow lies and misinformation as they see fit.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-03 12:43 PM

The right to own a gun is not unlimited (as are most rights) and was never intended to be by the 2nd amendment. Do convicted criminals (prisoners) have a right to own firearms while in prison? Have they ever?

Online forums that are moderated by the site owners and are not restricted or limited by the 1st amendment. They can choose to allow lies or choose to not allow lies and misinformation as they see fit.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-03 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess now that Kamala Harris carries her Glock like Hillary kept hot sauce in her purse we want to do "common sense" now. Like Walz and his video showing the world he has no idea how to use a semi-automatic shotgun.

As far as freedom of speech, You're right. Let the platforms police themselves. It's why I created a Twitter account a couple years ago.

#40 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-03 01:23 PM


NYPD's Infamous Stop-and-Frisk Policy Found Unconstitutional
#31 | Posted by LampLighter

Strange, SJPD cops pull over vehicle code violation and uncover.. firearms.
x.com

Would they have pulled them over for the "violation" if it wasn't a bunch of youth driving around at 4am?

How is the government to control the legally owned firearms from the illegally owned?

It makes gun control regulations silly.


The right to own a gun is not unlimited (as are most rights) and was never intended to be by the 2nd amendment. Do convicted criminals (prisoners) have a right to own firearms while in prison? Have they ever?

This is like arguing with a two year old.

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-03 01:59 PM

Not one mention from Gracie about Chicago?

She's slipping.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-03 02:25 PM

Crime in Detroit is at its lowest since 1966, community groups help, police say
www.wxyz.com

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-11-03 02:42 PM

Trump Admits Relationship With Epstein Severed After Dispute Over Dibs On Ivanka

theonion.com

The Onion gets serious for a moment.

#44 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-11-03 02:52 PM

This is like arguing with a two year old.
#41 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

You think that is an argument?

Maybe the argument of a 6 year old.

As far as freedom of speech, You're right. Let the platforms police themselves. It's why I created a Twitter account a couple years ago.

#40 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

You created Twitter?

So? I created the internet. (Well, Me and Al Gore)

"Your" Twitter does not allow free speech nor is it subject to the 1st amendment. (Well except maybe the concept of not yelling fire in a crowded theater) The moderator allows lies and misinformation as he sees fit and blocks content he does not agree with. And doing so is not a violation of the constitution as it is not a government agency.

Thank you for providing proof for me.

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-03 02:55 PM

Not one mention from Gracie about Chicago?

She's slipping.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-03 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Monday is tomorrow..

Dumbass

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-03 10:56 PM

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