Monday, December 16, 2024

Musk Put $277 Million Into the Election -- Now He's $200 Billion Richer

The tech mogul made a big bet on Donald Trump. By one measure, it has paid off handsomely.

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When there were reports that Musk would spend $45 million each month for the last three months of the election Musk claimed it was fake news and he would actually be spending a much smaller amount

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-- Judd Legum (@juddlegum.bsky.social) December 15, 2024 at 8:55 AM

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When is enough, enough?
I have heard it said that if Tesla didn't force through 100% tariffs on Chinese electric cars, it would be close to being out of business. So of course, Musk is a big fan of tariffs. Global Warming is too.

#1 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-12-17 07:03 AM

Biden's WH: The tariff rate on electric vehicles under Section 301 will increase from 25% to 100% in 2024.

It would destroy all of the subsidies we just poured into every American automotive manufacturer. None of them can compete with a $10k BYD car.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-17 08:13 AM

Tip of the iceberg. This administration is going to see the largest transfer of wealth ever imagined (all flowing up).

#3 | Posted by Sezu at 2024-12-17 11:27 AM

Tip of the iceberg. This administration is going to see the largest transfer of wealth ever imagined (all flowing up).

#3 | Posted by Sezu at 2024-12-17 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:
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Actually flowing from the Federal government to the people.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-12-17 11:46 AM

When is enough, enough?
I have heard it said that if Tesla didn't force through 100% tariffs on Chinese electric cars, it would be close to being out of business. So of course, Musk is a big fan of tariffs. Global Warming is too.

#1 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-12-17 07:03 AM | Reply | Flag:
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Musk is responsible for curbing climate change than anyone in the world. Tesla is a far superior EV than any other EV on the planet. NASA contracted with his Space X program (under Biden) because his satellite and rocket technology were far more efficient and less costly than what NASA could produce. But according to the left because he couldn't support Biden/Harris he is a bum.

#5 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-12-17 11:52 AM

FTA: "The Trump transition has said it will ensure those involved with the DOGE group Musk was picked to co-chair are compliant with legal guidelines on conflicts of interest."

;) ;)

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-12-17 12:08 PM

#1 | Posted by Hughmass

That may be true, but consider like many other things the CCCP is behind them. The EU and others are doing similar things with EVs.

US Solar panel companies were not forced out of business by Chinese competition. They were forced out because the government of China was funding them enabling them to dump their panels here and elsewhere for losses. This drove competitors out of business and lead to Chinese companies dominating the industry. Another example I remember was Tires. The Chinese were dumping them here in an effort not only to get a foothold but drive competitors out of business and this led to large tariffs. The problem they had there was we had LARGE tire companies who jumped on it.

Even if it protects Tesla, I am glad our government is doing the right thing and fighting China's product dumping.

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-12-17 12:15 PM

Actually flowing from the Federal government to the people.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw

The select few Oligarchs in particular.

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-12-17 12:16 PM

Pretty sweet, getting a return of more than $700 per every dollar invested. Too bad such investments aren't available for the average American.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-12-17 12:27 PM

Does anyone else get a severe migraine headache from reading right wingers spew their rhetoric?? They can't all be this dumb can they????

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-12-17 12:33 PM

They can't all be this dumb can they?

They prove everyday, right here on the DR, that they are!

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-17 12:42 PM

Compare that to the ROI of Democrat donors, one and a half billion dollars flushed away and the party is in shambles. The current Democrat party leadership are grifters and thieves.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-12-17 12:45 PM

"Actually flowing from the Federal government to the people."

Tell us you don't understand the equation, without using those specific words.

First time around, 83% went to the top 1%, with 60% going to the top .1%.

FFS, Foreign investors got more than American workers. And you're celebrating?!?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-12-17 01:09 PM

Actually flowing from the Federal government to the people.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw

The body of a fat geriatric with the brain of a three year old.

How did you survive so long being so gullible and stupid?

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-17 01:17 PM

#5 | Posted by fishpaw

My God. That is the most pathetic display of sycophancy I've ever seen on this site.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-17 01:18 PM

They can't all be this dumb can they????

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr

They most certainly are.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-17 01:20 PM

Pretty sweet, getting a return of more than $700 per every dollar invested. Too bad such investments aren't available for the average American.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-12-17 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Go out and invent something that everyone can use instead of complaining about those who do. Musk was not from a wealthy family, he worked his way through school and came up with different products, his first big payoff being PayPal. Sold it for tons of money and started SpaceX and Tesla, then those companies made him tons of money. Nancy Pelosi is loaded, tell me what she invented to come up with that kind of $, what risks did she take?

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-12-17 02:43 PM

Musk was not from a wealthy family

Yeah, he was.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-17 02:47 PM

#5 | Posted by fishpaw

My God. That is the most pathetic display of sycophancy I've ever seen on this site.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-17 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Ok then, dispute what I said. What EV is the highest selling EV in the world? Why is NASA contracting with SpaceX? Without Tesla how many gas guzzlers would be out there adding to global warming.
Your childlike posts are just boring. You either have zero debating skills or are a simply uninformed person.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-12-17 02:50 PM

Musk was not from a wealthy family

Yeah, he was.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-17 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not from the type of wealth that gave him the money necessary to start his companies.

#20 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-12-17 02:53 PM

Not from the type of wealth that gave him the money necessary to start his companies.

His lucrative engineering business which took on "large projects such as office buildings, retail complexes, residential subdivisions, and an air force base." He also owned an auto parts store, as well as "one of the biggest houses in Pretoria". In 1979, Musk and wife Maye divorced. Maye's book recalls that at the time of the divorce, he owned two homes, a yacht, a plane, five luxury cars, and a truck.
Doesn't sound like they were struggling.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-17 02:59 PM

Musk will do for 'Murica what he's done for Twitter.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-17 03:47 PM

Your childlike posts are just boring. You either have zero debating skills or are a simply uninformed person.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw

Says the idiot c*&^ gobbler who can't get enough of Elon's Musk.

Tesla is a far superior EV than any other EV on the planet.

Far superior? Hardly. They barely beat out others in comparison by outlets like Edmunds and Car and Driver.

They're so good they have to have government intervention to avoid being undercut by imports...

NASA contracted with his Space X program (under Biden) because his satellite and rocket technology were far more efficient and less costly than what NASA could produce.

No, they operated at a loss and received government subsidies. They've only recently become profitable due to StarLink.

Now go wipe your chin, sport.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-17 04:54 PM

Nah, he's going bankrupt because he bought Twitter, so sayeth the libs

#24 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-12-17 09:38 PM

No, "so sayeth" anyone who's not a mouth breathing moron that Twitter has tanked in value since Musk turned it into a right wing cesspool.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-18 08:23 AM

Twitter's value was always --------. 5000 engineers turning out nothing new annually and making a terrible stack.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-18 08:25 AM

Yawn.

Must be why revenue has also tanked under Musk. Or was revenue bulls*&^ too?

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-18 08:51 AM

Revenue declined 20% year over year right before he bought it, and they posted net losses 8 out of 10 years from 2012 to 2021.

It's one of the worst business acquisitions in history.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-18 10:30 AM

NASA contracted with his Space X program (under Biden) because his satellite and rocket technology were far more efficient and less costly than what NASA could produce.

No, they operated at a loss and received government subsidies. They've only recently become profitable due to StarLink.

Now go wipe your chin, sport.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-17 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Government contracts are not government subsidies. What you get in the mail every month is a subsidy in the form of welfare.

#29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-12-18 11:33 AM

This is a list of some of the subsidies that fat frat boy from South Africa received from the US taxpayer that went to his companies. Why does he get to have any say in anything the government does with our money? Nobody elected him. Bribing government officials is just so 19th Century. Hell, as a federal worker I cannot take more than $10 dollars from any outside sources at a lunch or snack time yet, this greedy racist misogynist has access to POTUS because he bribes him openly in front of the world?

subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org

#30 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-12-18 06:22 PM

"Go out and invent something that everyone can use instead of complaining about those who do. Musk was not from a wealthy family, he worked his way through school and came up with different products, his first big payoff being PayPal. Sold it for tons of money and started SpaceX and Tesla, then those companies made him tons of money. Nancy Pelosi is loaded, tell me what she invented to come up with that kind of $, what risks did she take?

#17 | POSTED BY FISHPAW"

You're pretty ignorant. Musky has been on the government --- for a decade. He did not invent any of these companies but merely managed them with tax payer dollars.

subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org

#31 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-12-18 06:30 PM

Just like Trumpy in Helsinki ... Trumpy got played again by someone smarter than the very stable Genius.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-18 06:44 PM

Lie #1: Musk was not from a wealthy family

Lie #2: [Musk] came up with different products, his first big payoff being PayPal.

Lie #3: [Musk] started SpaceX and Tesla.

FishPaw, you're either stupid, a liar, or a stupid liar.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-18 06:48 PM

@#17 ... started SpaceX and Tesla, ...

The Story Behind Tesla's Success (March 2024)

... History of Tesla Motors

Contrary to popular belief, Tesla was not an overnight success. The company was founded in 2003 by two Silicon Valley engineers Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, who sought to make electric cars that were fast and fun to drive.8

The seeds of the company go back to 1990 when Tarpenning met Eberhard, then an engineer at Wyse Technology, and they became good friends. The two had much in common including a passion for starting companies, and they soon launched companies including NuvoMedia, which released the Rocket eBook in 1998. ...



#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 07:32 PM

@#17 ... started SpaceX and Tesla, ...

History of SpaceX
en.wikipedia.org

... After being ousted as the CEO of PayPal in late 2000, Elon Musk started to gain an interest in space exploration ventures. This spark of interest, according to Musk, came when he is being asked by his friend entrepreneur Adeo Ressi about his plan for the future after PayPal. Musk looked up at NASA's website and was surprised that NASA did not have any concrete plan for a human mission to Mars.[1]:9"10 He then began to attend space conferences and provided funding for private space projects, which include The Planetary Society's solar sail and the Ansari X Prize crewed spaceflight competition.[1]:10 Musk also pledged US$100,000 to the Mars Society and was invited to be in its board of directors.[2][3] As early as August 2001, in contemporary sources, Musk has publicly expressed his support for making humans an interplanetary species at the Mars Society's annual convention.[4] The same month, Musk resigned from his position at Mars Society.[2]

According to Robert Zubrin, Mars Society's founder, he provided Musk contact to aerospace engineer Jim Cantrell as a technical adviser for the society's Mars Gravity Biosatellite project.[5]:30"31 From there, Musk, Cantrell, along with a few other engineers worked on Mars Oasis, a project that aimed to grow a plant in Martian soil as a publicity stunt for garnering interest to Mars missions.[2][1]:10 Mars Oasis project is independent from the Mars Society.[4] Musk and his team travelled twice to Russia, once in October 2001 and another in February 2002 with Michael D. Griffin, to obtain a refurbished intercontinental ballistic missile to launch Mars Oasis. Both attempts failed " the missiles were outrageously priced by the ISC Kosmotras at $8 million per missile when queried,[3] and the team was concerned that the price would go up even higher after the deal had been finalized.[1]:10 Reportedly, this is because Musk and his team were not regarded highly by the Russians.[3][1]:10

After the second failed attempt to procure a missile, the Mars Oasis plan was abandoned and Musk pondered the feasibility of building a rocket himself. As he learned more about the United States space industry, in retrospect, Musk realized that the Mars Oasis mission would more likely lead to an unsustainable Mars program, similar to how the Apollo program operated. According to Musk, the crucial component for a sustainable Mars program is a low launch cost.[1]:11"12

In early 2002, with that realization, Musk met with aerospace engineers at a hotel in Los Angeles International Airport to discuss founding a space launch company, with reportedly some having scoffed at the idea. In April, from that group he invited five that could join the company as early employees: Michael Griffin, Jim Cantrell, John Garvey, Tom Mueller, and Chris Thompson. Griffin, Cantrell and Garvey declined the invitation, while Mueller and Thompson became the company's first and second employee respectively. Musk provided half of his $180 million from PayPal stocks to the newly founded company securing both employees with two-years' worth of salary. The company was named "Space Exploration Technologies Corporation", originally with "S.E.T." as a shortened name, but it was quickly changed to be "SpaceX".[1]:12"14 According to filings, SpaceX was incorporated on 14 March 2002,[6] but according to various sources SpaceX's de facto founding date might instead be 6 May[1] or around June.[3][7] ...


#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 07:33 PM

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