Thursday, December 19, 2024

Musk Didn't Report Movement Required by Security Clearance?

A new investigation from The New York Times suggests that SpaceX founder Elon Musk has not been reporting his travel activities and other information to the Department of Defense as required by his top-secret clearance.

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"Why Musk Doesn't Have Access to SpaceX's Biggest Government Secrets. Executives haven't sought higher security clearance for the CEO to avoid questions about his drug use and contact with foreign officials" ðŸ'€

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... According to the newspaper, concerns about Musk's reporting practices have led to reviews by three different bodies within the military; the Air Force, the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, and the Defense Department Office of Inspector General.

However, none of the federal agencies cited in the Times article has accused Musk of disclosing classified material.

The Times reports that Musk had a mid-level security clearance until 2018, at which point SpaceX applied for a top-secret clearance for its chief executive. SpaceX performs a number of functions for the US government, both civil and military branches. Among its most secretive activities are launching classified satellites for the National Reconnaissance Office and providing encrypted communications and observational activities with its Starshield satellites. ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 03:17 PM

Related?

Musk's Alleged Russia Contacts Worry Air Force's Kendall
www.bnnbloomberg.ca

... Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall has told Democratic senators that he shares their security concerns over Elon Musk's reported contacts with Russian leaders but added that the Pentagon has adequate competition in its space programs to prevent over-reliance on the billionaire's SpaceX.

"The Air Force takes security matters very seriously, and I share your concerns," Kendall wrote Senator Jeanne Shaheen and Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Jack Reed in a Dec. 13 letter obtained by Bloomberg News.

Kendall didn't elaborate on his worries, and the bulk of his letter emphasized the competition for satellite launch contracts awarded by the Space Force and the Space Development Agency, which is managing the accelerated launch of hundreds of surveillance and communications satellites into low-earth orbit.

The senators wrote Kendall last month expressing alarm over an October Wall Street Journal report that Musk "had multiple, high level conversations with Russian President Vladmir Putin as early as 2022 and sustained contact with high-level Russian officials, including Putin's deputy chief of staff, Sergei Kiriyenko."

Russia has denied the conversations took place. Musk ridiculed the Journal story without denying it. ...


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 03:19 PM

Of course, he isn't. That would restrict his ability to leverage his position for personal gain.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-18 06:52 PM

@#3 ... That would restrict his ability to leverage his position for personal gain. ...

Yup.

A goal he seems to be using Pres-elect Trump for.

Does Pres-elect Trump know how he may be being used by Mr Musk?


Or is the apparent unfettered adulation of Pres-elect Trump by Mr Musk not noticed by Pres-elect Trump?

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-18 08:21 PM

I'm sure Trump is well aware all of his relationships are transactional.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-12-19 11:24 AM

Why is this a surprise?
Rules, laws, even decorum are a pesky nuisance to Trump and Musk, to be ignored at best.
And who will stop them? Certainly not the feckless, boot-licking Republicans in Congress.
All they care about is not getting primary'd, the cowardly bass-tehrds.

#6 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-12-19 08:04 PM

that the Pentagon has adequate competition in its space programs to prevent over-reliance on the billionaire's SpaceX

SpaceX is the only current program which is capable of delivering the quick-launch LEO cape that is a key priority for the Space Force. Boeing was once viewed as an opportunity to diversify the field to ensure a competitive bidding process, ensure some redundancy for the continuation of operations if one org is over tasked, underperforming, or otherwise unable to perform.

It is true that there are a handful of other alternatives with the most recognizable name being Bezo's Blue Origin, but it is a sad fact that nothing is currently as reliable for high value, high priority assets as SpaceX launch systems.

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2024-12-20 02:32 AM

I'm sure Trump is well aware all of his relationships are transactional.

#5 | Posted by sentinel

The problem is the MAGA idiots aren't aware.

And when Trump uses his "transactional" relationships to enrich himself at the expense of the country, they'll get pissed at anyone but themselves for being so stupid.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-20 02:38 AM

When I see these frequent violations, the same question always comes to mind.... Who's going to do anything about it?

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-12-20 05:37 AM

Musk?

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-12-20 06:21 AM

I think Musk sees himself as a "king-maker" whereby he can achieve his goals without all the messy media scrutiny and oversight that plagues a President.

Besides, who needs top level security clearance when he has a blabbermouth like Trump telling him everything Trump wants to back-channel to Russia.

Very clever way for Trump to avoid a charge of treasonous activities in his next term.

If caught, scapegoat it all on his senior adviser.

In the Trump/Putin/Musk relationship, it's hard to tell who is using whom.

#11 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-12-20 06:34 AM

So the Biden Administration has had 4 years to scrutinize this and... ?

How incompetent are they?

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-20 07:35 AM

Way to pass the buck, SITZK.

Wait till Musk oversteps his "advisor" capacity and starts acting like a co-president. Trump won't like anybody stealing his thunder.

What was it G.W. Bush said about Cheney's going over Bush's head???

Oh yeah. I remember . . . Bush said it loud and clear. "I'm the decider-er!"

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-12-20 11:41 AM

Wait till Musk oversteps his "advisor" capacity and starts acting like a co-president.

He's already there.

Trump won't like anybody stealing his thunder.

He's probably already losing his ---- over it but he's afraid to say anything.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-20 11:57 AM

REDIAL

"He's already there."

Yeah, I just saw it on the news. The headline was "The end is near." And some narrative about Trump being in one of his famous tantrums. I'll catch the rest of the story later.

If history repeats itself, G.W. never trusted Cheney again. We'll see.

Poor little Mikey. He sold his soul to the devil.

As I always say, he shoulda read the manual.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-12-20 01:40 PM

Laws are for little people. The Hoi Polloi.

Billionaires live by different rules. Didn't Trumpy make that perfectly clear yet?

And Badges? Badges?

Billionaires don't need no stinking badges!

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-20 01:42 PM

Musk flaunts the law so much.... who does he think he is, Donald Jessica Trump?

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-20 01:56 PM

CORKY

I think Musk thought he had Trump all tied up with a big red bow.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-12-20 04:55 PM

I think Musk thought he had Trump all tied up with a big red bow.

He did, but he forgot the--------.

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-20 05:03 PM

Musk's estimated IQ of 155-160 places him in the "Highly Gifted" category... mostly in science stuff, not legal or ethical or moral categories, although he does apparently feign some sort of bizarre Christianity.

He has the feigning stuff in common with Trump, but not the IQ, so there's not much doubt who's manipulating whom here.

DT's a Mob Boss, though, so that may trump being the richest man in the world, who could wake up in bed one morning with a severed horse's head.


#20 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-20 05:33 PM

DT's a Mob Boss, though

His Secret Service codename is "Fredo".

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-20 05:38 PM

So which is true?

"Report: Elon Musk failed to report movement required by security clearance"

"Why Musk Doesn't Have Access to SpaceX's Biggest Government Secrets.
Executives haven't sought higher security clearance for the CEO to avoid questions about his drug use and contact with foreign officials"

He shouldn't have security clearance unless he is tasked with directly working on some projects that require it. There is a thing called "need to know" and if you don't need to know, even if you have the required clearance, you don't get told.

#22 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-12-21 09:59 AM

Way to pass the buck, SITZK.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-12-20 11:41 AM | Reply

Passing the buck to.. the people that are specifically charged with overseeing it and track all of his flights.

Grow up.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-12-21 10:10 AM

He shouldn't have security clearance unless he is tasked with directly working on some projects that require it.

So says someone who would obviously never qualify for a security clearance.

Security clearances also ensure that individuals are trustworthy, reliable, and loyal to the United States. They also help to ensure that individuals can securely access, manage, and protect classified information.

You are also tested to see if you are honest about your background and whether you have a Criminal history, a history of Drug use, Financial issues or foreign relations/associations and whether you can be blackmailed, etc.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-21 12:29 PM

Did Mangioni kill the wrong parasite?

I can imagine Musk will appear even more unnerved when the sick and tired revolt from his presidency.

#25 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-12-21 07:49 PM

#24

That's partially true. As a contractor working in TS/SAR programs, I am required to report foreign affections (friends who are not US citizens), foreign travel, foreign bank accounts and investments, legal issues, financial issues, and any interactions with non-US government officials and authorities. Any sort of drug use, to include the use of marijuana, is prohibited. If I get a DUI, the clearances and accesses would almost certainly be pulled.

Were I an elected official though, I could be snorting coke off a Russian hooker's ass in my office. It literally takes an act of congress to revoke the security clearance for an elected official. I don't know if it is the same for officials appointed by the president. I'm guessing not, since technically every military officer is a presidential appointee.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-12-22 08:45 AM

-Way to pass the buck, SITZK.

It's a fair question. Why are there no apparent mechanisms in place (or they are ignored) to ensure people with high level security clearance abide by the rules that accompany that security clearance?

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2024-12-22 08:55 AM

#12

No President does such investigations. That would have been the job of Congress.

#28 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-12-22 11:40 AM

"Were I an elected official though ... "

Yup. Members of Congress are by tradition deemed inherently trustworthy by dint of the offices they hold, although they are subject to punishment under the House ethics code for revealing classified information. The maximum penalty, which would require a two-thirds vote by the House, is expulsion.

Yeah. That's the problem. "Tradition" is no longer adequate. Especially during the rise of the Demagogues.

Alexander Hamilton warned of the danger of demagogues in the very first of the "Federalist Papers."

He said, "history will teach us that ... of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants."

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-12-22 11:49 AM

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