" #2 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2026-01-25 04:57 PM | REPLY"

Based on what I've read everyone gets counted. It simply asks a citizenship question - are you a citizen?

Non citizens are then not factored in when House seats are apportioned. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this.

" Republican voters don't read. Period.

#8 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2026-01-25 05:06 PM | FLAG: "

Twoothy is a Republican voter?

" Are you claiming non-citizens are not "Persons", according to the Constitution???

#26 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2026-01-25 07:44 PM | FLAG: "

Square that with 3/5's persons. Also, why aren't non-citizens (allegedly) not allowed to vote in national elections.

" But on the streets of Minnesota is suddenly verboten.

#27 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2026-01-25 07:47 PM | FLAG: "

It's not to me. MN is an open/concealed carry state and this guy who was shot was licensed to carry.

#36. I knew you'd say that. I don't mean that in a negative way because I don't think you come to that belief fr9m a bad place. For me, citizenship has privileges. If I were to be transferred to the UK for work for an indefinite period of time I would never presume to be allowed to vote in their elections nor would I expect to have my presence in any way be any kind of participant in their political processes.

"#35 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN AT 2026-01-25 09:24 PM | FLAG: "

Maybe try commenting on topic.

" The topic is that Trump wants subjects, not citizens, is willing to to kill to get that, and you're willing to help in your own small way ay.

#39 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2026-01-25 10:07 PM | FLAG: "

Try commenting on topic.

" I retract my 41. I'm not actually sure what that question is asking.

#43 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-25 11:11 PM | FLAG: "

Non-citizens (this includes those who are here legally) are not permitted to vote in national elections because non-citizens have no business anticipating in our political process.

Extrapolated out, non-citizens shouldn't be able to passively participate by flocking to certain areas of the country to inflate the population in said areas to increase representation for those areas via more House seats and electoral college votes.

That is why I say this SHOULDN'T be a partisan issue.

" Um. Aren't the House seats already capped legally?

#45 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2026-01-26 12:30 AM | FLAG: "

Yes. It's a zero sum game. Put in very simple terms (and basic numbers) hypothetically let's say 200K left Minnesota and went directly to Texas. The end result would likely be Minnesota loses a seat and Texas gains a seat.

Cont ... ..when districts are redrawn based upon census numbers.

" Do "non-citizens" pay taxes? Yes. Therefore, they are due representation, you stupid ------- drooling MAGAT ----------- --------.

#53 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD AT 2026-01-26 12:53 AM | FLAG: "

Nope. You're stupid. Doesn't work that way.

" That's the way it's supposed to work.

#54 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-26 12:58 AM | FLAG: "

Yes. Absolutely. For citizens. If the US were to have a red state exodus to blue states then blue states should gain seats and electoral college votes based upon their CITIZEN population.

" No, for "Persons". That law thing again.

#57 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-26 01:04 AM | FLAG: "

That will be the legal issue. It will ultimately go down to original intent IMO. I don't think an argument can be made that when "persons" was written the intent was to open our borders and shuffle non citizens around so they could passively participate in our electoral process.

" Yes. It would require passing a Constitutional Amendmen"

Maybe. Maybe not.

" which is not something that will ever happen again."

Probably true.

" It will ultimately go down to original intent IMO.

Not letting slaves vote?

#59 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2026-01-26 01:14 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

No. Not about voting. It's about congressional seats and electoral votes. Southern states wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to have slaves as property but wanted them 100% counted in the census to boost their census numbers. That is where the 3/5 compromise came into play.

The crazy thing is, people who are ignorant of history view the 3/5 person clause as being incredibly racist, when it was the opposite politically.

" It makes no changes to representation."

That is what needs to happen next.

" Because you bigoted s*&^piles are making stuff up out of thin air.

There's no Constitutional basis for excluding non-citizens from representative appropriation and this is nothing but a naked power grab for rural red states and rural red districts.

#63 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2026-01-26 01:44 AM | FLAG: "

You give the game away. I've been saying for a while the reason that Biden's handlers flooded the zone was mostly about the 2030 census and numerical power. Lefties on this site, you included, hurled all sort of invective at me for suggesting that the auto pen open borders was a naked power grab. Yet, here you are now defending it. It's the biggest reason why you are so opposed to securing the border and embarking the insurmountable numerical task of removing a meaningful fraction of illegal aliens auto-pen flooded our country with.

" It's just a stats reporting issue"

No it isn't. It's about congressional seats and electoral college votes.

" Most end up in blue area anyway, which does nothing to skew election dynamics.

You're an idiot. Just STFU already and stop acting like you give two s*&^s about our Constitution and Republic.

#73 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2026-01-26 10:50 AM | FLAG: "

You are so ------- stupid. Locating illegal aliens n blue states is the whole reason why Biden's handlers opened the floodgates. Increasing the number of "persons" in blue states can result in either added seats or Status quo as citizens are fleeing blue states for greener pastures in red states.

It's basic math which is too much for your stupid ass to comprehend.

Stay in your lane, junior. Pathogens and truckers' dongs are your areas of expertise. When you swerve outside of those two lanes you end up looking like an idiot.

" The upper ceiling of supposed migrants in the "invasion" is 12 million people (which is entirely unsupported, BTW).

That's, at most, about 3.5% of the total populace"

They are not spread evenly at all. It doesn't take much for a state to add or lose seats due to population shift. Again, basic math and a rudimentary understanding of our civic processes.

" When, specifically, do these humans cease to be "persons" under the Constitution?"

As I said up thread, if non citizens are to be excluded from being counted in terms of House seats, and they absolutely should, "persons" may very well prevent it from happening.

" When, specifically, do these humans cease to be "persons" under the Constitution?"

Democrats absolutely prioritize illegal aliens over citizens.

"llegal aliens do not count as "persons".

#94 | Posted by REDIAL at 2026-01-26 02:01 PM "

It is my understanding that they do. Otherwise, what is below wouldn't even need to be proposed:

"This bill requires that the statement sent by the President to Congress after the decennial census indicating the number of persons in each state exclude noncitizens. (This statement is the basis for reapportionment of U.S. Representatives.)"

" I posted a link showing the changes that would occur if non-citizens were excluded.

Only six states would have a change in their number of representatives. A few gained a seat, a few lost a seat."

Oh, so you acknowledge that counting non citizens in the census can actually have an impact on representation and thus elections. We've had some awfully close presidential elections, particularly 2000. A small handful of electoral college votes can absolutely swing the outcome of an election. The census can also add House seats that are not deserved if non citizens are counted for the purpose of representation.