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Monday, April 08, 2024

Airline regulators in the US have begun an investigation after an engine cowling on a Boeing 737-800 fell off during take-off and struck a wing flap.

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Maybe TSA could be used to cavity search the plane for lose parts, let alone Loose Change?

#1 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-07 08:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

This is the argument I have heard

Implying & Blaming Boeing is at fault for all these mishaps is not valid.

Someone at southwest signed off to receive the plane.

Someone at southwest signed off on this work.

Someone at southwest has some splaining to do.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-07 09:21 PM | Reply

Someone at southwest has some splaining to do.

Specifically their maintenance group in Denver.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-07 09:31 PM | Reply

Specifically their maintenance group in Denver.
#3 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Looks like they just opened up that facility in 2022.

Yikes ..

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-07 09:46 PM | Reply

Looks like the plane was overnight for 8 hours in Denver. Video looks like the cowling shredded rather than "fell off".

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-07 10:19 PM | Reply

Boeing doesn't make the engine, maybe CFM made this one.

#6 | Posted by mattm at 2024-04-08 07:39 PM | Reply

Did some former president relax maintenance/safety requirement?

A door fell off.
A wheel fell off.
An engine cowling fell off.

What's next? A wing?

#7 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-04-08 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Boeing doesn't make the engine, maybe CFM made this one.

Definitely a CFM engine. Still a Southwest maintenance issue. The plane did 6 flights the day before and this happened on the first flight the next day.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-08 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Definitely a CFM engine. Still a Southwest maintenance issue. The plane did 6 flights the day before and this happened on the first flight the next day.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL

I have a friend who's a mechanic for American Airlines. Last year, he told me a lot of the major airlines aren't having their maintenance done in the U.S. He mentioned Mexico and Brazil as two places he personally knows about. Needless to say, he and his fellow U.S. based mechanics aren't happy campers.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-09 12:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PS - Every major airline is has some of their maintenance done out of the U.S.

Less regulation offshore isn't a good thing, especially when it comes to airliners.

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-09 12:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They must have hired another black guy down there at Southwest.

#11 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-04-09 12:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Last year, he told me a lot of the major airlines aren't having their maintenance done in the U.S.

I'm not talking about serious maintenance. The turnaround time between flights doesn't give much time for much beyond fuelling. I'm just guessing that after a six flight back to back day this plane had an 8 hour overnight stay so they likely had time to at least pop off a cowl to do some basic turbine checks. It's possible someone didn't secure all the cowl latches and it peeled off on takeoff. That would be a Denver ground crew thing.

Again, I'm just guessing. I find it suspicious that the cowl was peeling off on the takeoff run before the plane even rotated, since there were no problems the day before.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-09 01:06 AM | Reply

Also had a look... this particular aircraft has not been out of the US so far in 2024.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-09 01:16 AM | Reply

Also had a look... this particular aircraft has not been out of the US so far in 2024.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL

Good.

AA built a $100 million maintenance facility in Brazil. They send a lot of their planes there from the U.S. because labor is cheaper. Also, airlines contract maintenance out to 3rd party maintenance companies.

#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-09 04:15 AM | Reply

Definitely a CFM engine. Still a Southwest maintenance issue. The plane did 6 flights the day before and this happened on the first flight the next day.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL
I have a friend who's a mechanic for American Airlines. Last year, he told me a lot of the major airlines aren't having their maintenance done in the U.S. He mentioned Mexico and Brazil as two places he personally knows about. Needless to say, he and his fellow U.S. based mechanics aren't happy campers.

#9 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2024-04-09 12:24 AM | FLAG:

Southwest is. I know the A&Ps. Their biggest maintenance center is at Hobby Airport here in Houston.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-09 09:35 AM | Reply

Assuming they're still employed after this...

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-09 09:35 AM | Reply

Related...

FAA probing Boeing whistleblower's quality claims on 787, 777 jets
www.reuters.com

... The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is investigating a Boeing whistleblower's claims that the company dismissed safety and quality concerns in the production of the planemaker's 787 and 777 jets, an agency spokesperson said on Tuesday.

Boeing engineer Sam Salehpour said he identified engineering problems that affected the structural integrity of the jets and claimed Boeing employed shortcuts to reduce bottlenecks during the 787 assembly process, his attorneys said in a release. ...


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-09 03:54 PM | Reply

Related...

Boeing's long fall, and how it might recover
www.seattletimes.com

... The intense backlash against Boeing after the near catastrophe aboard an Alaska Airlines 737 MAX in January wasn't a reaction to an isolated manufacturing error but to a yearslong decline of safety standards.

The arc of Boeing's fall can be traced back a quarter century, to when its leaders elevated the interests of shareholders above all others, said Richard Aboulafia, industry analyst with AeroDynamic Advisory.

"Crush the workers. Share price. Share price. Share price. Financial moves and metrics come first," was Boeing's philosophy, he said. It was, he said, "a ruthless effort to cut costs without any realization of what it could do to capabilities."

To drive down costs, Boeing chose to aggressively confront first its workforce and then its suppliers rather than partner with them. It left both, Aboulafia said, "angry and alienated."

Today Boeing's leaders are tepidly admitting that this shareholders-first, cut-costs, workers-be-damned strategy was flawed. But, for two decades, it worked.

Boeing's leaders delivered gushers of cash to shareholders through stock buybacks and dividends " $68 billion since 2010, according to Melius Research " rather than investing in future all-new airplanes. ...

Executives concede strategy was flawed
Belatedly, Boeing's current leaders, overwhelmed by criticism, mockery and outrage since January, have finally admitted publicly that some key strategies they pursued for decades were flawed. ...


[good dive into Boeing's problems]


#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-09 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

safety and quality concerns in the production of the planemaker's 787 and 777 jets

I recall reading that one airline would only buy 787s that were made in Everett, but none that were make in Charleston. Qatar Air maybe?

Not relevant to this incident though. The incident aircraft was 8 years old.

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-09 04:20 PM | Reply

@#18

The article linked in #18 is an interesting one because it appears to say similar things that were being said when the door plug blew out of that Alaskan Air jet.

That Boeing went from an Engineering-driven company to an MBA-driven company.

... Today Boeing's leaders are tepidly admitting that this shareholders-first, cut-costs, workers-be-damned strategy was flawed. But, for two decades, it worked.

Boeing's leaders delivered gushers of cash to shareholders through stock buybacks and dividends -- $68 billion since 2010, according to Melius Research -- rather than investing in future all-new airplanes. ...

Executives concede strategy was flawed

Belatedly, Boeing's current leaders, overwhelmed by criticism, mockery and outrage since January, have finally admitted publicly that some key strategies they pursued for decades were flawed. ... ...



#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-09 04:34 PM | Reply

Leaving Seattle was the beginning of the end.

Boeing MBAs did that to insulate the MBAs from the Engineers.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-09 04:38 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by LampLighter

The problem at nearly all major corporations; share price over service/employees/investment.

2 Bush/GOP tax cuts and 1 Trump/GOP have done nothing but create deficits, debt, and line the pockets of companies who didn't need a tax break and used theirs for stock buybacks to boost share prices and little else.

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-09 07:18 PM | Reply

Did Musk buy Boeing without telling anyone?

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-04-09 10:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#22 ... The problem at nearly all major corporations; share price over service/employees/investment. ...

I agree.

But allow me to add another aspect to that. ...

It is not just share price, but the quarterly profits.

How can a company invest in long term planning when Wall Street seems looks at quarterly profits as The Gauge?

That seems to set up the scenario for MBAs to take over companies, with the results we are seeing of late with Boeing.



The rich now own a record share of stocks (January 2024)
www.axios.com

... About 93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by the top 10%.

Why it matters: This stat " first spotted in the FT " is a crucial bit of context to keep in mind amid the heavily hyped surge of smaller retail investors who flocked to the stock market during and after the COVID crisis.

Details: While it's true that a record high 58% of American households do own stocks via mutual funds or as individual shares, in the aggregate the amount of stock most of these folks own is tiny. ...



#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-09 11:11 PM | Reply

fwiw, good graph in the #24 article...


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-09 11:12 PM | Reply

Did Musk buy Boeing without telling anyone?

Does Musk buy anything without telling anyone?

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-09 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


Looks like the plane was overnight for 8 hours in Denver. Video looks like the cowling shredded rather than "fell off".
#5 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Yeah it probably had a few screws come off, air got under it and peeled it back. I have seen this on light planes too. Not tightened to spec, destroy the cowling and makes for an interesting pattern/landing..


The plane did 6 flights the day before and this happened on the first flight the next day.
#8 | Posted by REDIAL

The first flight of the day (water leaks into fuel), and first flight out of maintenance (mistakes found this way are deadly) are always the riskiest.

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-10 12:43 AM | Reply


PS - Every major airline is has some of their maintenance done out of the U.S.

Less regulation offshore isn't a good thing, especially when it comes to airliners.
#10 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

What FAR-AIM FAA regulations are they skirting?

#28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-10 12:45 AM | Reply

first flight out of maintenance (mistakes found this way are deadly) are always the riskiest.

No kidding. That was pretty much my point.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-10 01:07 AM | Reply

Does Musk buy anything without telling anyone?

Posted by REDIAL at 2024-04-09 11:15 PM | Reply | Flagged funny by snoofy

fElon Musk on X:

I just had to replace my favorite pair of socks.

They just were to sticky.

- Elmo.

#30 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-10 08:49 AM | Reply

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