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Thursday, May 09, 2024

The difference between Project 2025 and Trump's usual authoritarian ravings is that Project 2025 isn't an empty threat, it's a concrete plan that will roll back your rights and put the government in your life. We've been warned.

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The Far-Right Playbook for American Authoritarianism
Project 2025

globalextremism.org

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-08 11:46 AM | Reply

Thanks Corky. Only one way to stop Trump from commencing his promised dictatorship: Jill Stein 2024!.

It'll probably work almost as well as: Ralph Nader 2000! and Jill Stein 2016!

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-08 12:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thanks Corky. Only one way to stop Trump from commencing his promised dictatorship: Jill Stein 2024!.
It'll probably work almost as well as: Ralph Nader 2000! and Jill Stein 2016!

POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2024-05-08 12:12 PM | REPLY

Yawwwwwnnnnnn

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-08 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yawwwwwnnnnnn #3 | Posted by LauraMohr

I hope we can count on your vote (again)!

#4 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-08 12:54 PM | Reply

Yawwwwwnnnnnn

#3 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I know I'm totally bored by the thought of Trump getting another term because a bunch of whiny idiot liberals can't let go of their self-righteousness long enough to think beyond their trite "protest vote."

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-08 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shaming 3rd party voters always has worked, always will

#6 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-05-08 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh please.

The inability to think bigger than themselves isn't something to keep quiet about, not with what's at stake this election.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-08 05:30 PM | Reply

We all know if Laura had voted for Hillary, Kansas would have turned blue.

Right?

Seems to be the point some of you want to make.

Solid red Kansas. Laura's fault.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-08 05:43 PM | Reply

The only reason Biden won was due to Trump fatigue.

We better hope the same thing happens in November.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-08 05:46 PM | Reply

8

LOL

Snoofy and speaksoftly blame all the ills of the world on who they believe I vote for?

It's a common absurdity thrown around here.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-08 05:46 PM | Reply

What we most all think is that had people who claimed to be dedicated BBros voted as Bernie asked them to, we may well not have had Trump as President... then, or again.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-08 06:03 PM | Reply

Seems to be the point some of you want to make.

Solid red Kansas. Laura's fault.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack

Not even remotely.

Two things:

1. Despite the EC, overall vote counts matter. Otherwise, why would anyone living in a state that swings opposite of their vote bother voting at all? Total vote tallies also send a message of overall support for a candidate.

2. Number 1 aside, missing the forest for your single issue voter tree is inexcusable. Things will never be as bad under Biden as they will be under Trump and you'll definitely never get what you want under Trump either. You're just guaranteeing broader misery and absolute failure.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-08 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Despite the EC, overall vote counts matter.

Overall votes count for state elections.

But matters not when it comes to national elections.

Gore and Clinton both won the popular vote and lost the Presidency.

Regardless.

I read complaints about how we only have Biden and Trump for candidates. But. Then also read the chastising of anyone who votes third party.

It's crazy.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-08 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Back to the thread's topic...

The Far-Right Playbook for American Authoritarianism ...

What would a second term Trump presidency look like?

Would it be as authoritarian as Project 2025 seems to espouse.

Or will it be less than that, just four years of revenge for those that have crossed fmr Pres Trump?

Or both the above?



#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 07:48 PM | Reply

Nonsense. It's the most accurate poll for measuring popular support.

I'm pretty sure you know that one can lament our choices while also realizing a Trump win is far worse than a Biden win. Acting like your statement is remotely accurate is laughable.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-08 07:58 PM | Reply

"Despite the EC, overall vote counts matter. Otherwise, why would anyone living in a state that swings opposite of their vote bother voting at all?"

It's as if nobody on this site ever remembers there are dozens of other races on the same ballot.

That's always missed in these discussions. Instead it appears the only election that matters is the one for president.

not school board, city council, state rep, etc...... elections that truly matter because they affect you more than who resides at 1600 Penn and your vote counts much more significantly.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-08 07:58 PM | Reply

What Eberly said. Plus it's My license to complain. If you don't vote you shouldn't complain.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-08 08:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-It's the most accurate poll for measuring popular support.

Who needs the consolation prize winning the popular vote but losing the EC?

It's already a foregone conclusion that Biden will win the popular vote.

In any case, there are other reasons to vote regardless of where you live.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-08 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#16 ... It's as if nobody on this site ever remembers there are dozens of other races on the same ballot...

Dozens?

Really. Dozens?

When I fill out my ballot, the most elections I have ever seen were,maybe, 10.

Dozens?

Why do you seem to need to exaggerate so much.

And, as a corollary, maybe one or two of those elections on the ballot were put there to get a certain group of voters to the polls.

For example, with Karl Rove and the gay rights votes. This November abortion.


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 08:24 PM | Reply

-Dozens?

more like dozen. good catch.

and judge elections are included but those aren't as heavy everywhere because judges are appointed in other areas.

"the most elections I have ever seen were,maybe, 10."

Thanks for acknowledging there are other elections.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-08 08:27 PM | Reply

@#20 ... Thanks for acknowledging there are other elections. ...

I've never denied that.

Indeed, I have often noted that sometimes those other elections are used as a means to get voters to the polls.

Much like Democrats endeavoring to get abortion on the ballot this November.

Which states could have abortion on the ballot in 2024? (April 2024)
apnews.com

... A push to ask Arizona voters to add a right to abortion to the state constitution took on new stakes this week when the state's Supreme Court ruled that the state can enforce a ban on abortion in all stages of pregnancy.

Arizona is one of several states where abortion might be on the ballot this year.

Across the country, there have been increased efforts to put abortion rights questions to voters since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and removed the nationwide right to abortion.

Since that 2022 decision, most Republican-controlled states have new abortion restrictions in effect, including 14 that ban it at every stage of pregnancy. Most Democrat-dominated states have laws or executive orders to protect access.

Additionally, voters in seven states -- California, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Montana, Ohio and Vermont -- have sided with abortion rights supporters on ballot measures.

It's not clear yet how many states will vote on measures to enshrine abortion access in November. In some, the question is whether amendment supporters can get enough valid signatures. In others, it's up to the legislature. And there's legal wrangling in the process in some states. ...


Whoa... voters in Kansas, Kentucky, Montana (Montana!) have sided with abortion rights supporters.


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 08:51 PM | Reply

@#21

Format error.

The part starting with "Whoa" is my comment, not the cited article.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 08:52 PM | Reply

In any case, there are other reasons to vote regardless of where you live.

#18 | Posted by eberly

Who said anything about not voting at all?

And yes, knowing the level of popular support is an important piece of information.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-08 09:13 PM | Reply

Interesting OpEd I stumbled upon...

OpEd: How "Democracy Is Losing the Propaganda War"
www.theatlantic.com

... When these stories make their way to the U.S., Applebaum reports, "a part of the American political spectrum is not merely a passive recipient of the combined authoritarian narratives that come from Russia, China, and their ilk, but an active participant in creating and spreading them.

Like the leaders of those countries, the American MAGA right also wants Americans to believe that their democracy is degenerate, their elections illegitimate, their civilization dying.

The MAGA movement's leaders also have an interest in pumping nihilism and cynicism into the brains of their fellow citizens, and in convincing them that nothing they see is true.

Their goals are so similar that it is hard to distinguish between the online American alt-right and its foreign amplifiers." ...


#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 09:20 PM | Reply

"Who said anything about not voting at all?"

This is the comment I was referencing

"why would anyone living in a state that swings opposite of their vote bother voting at all? "

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-08 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's foolish to count votes for Biden as support of Biden, rather than a vote against Trump.

On the other hand. Trumpers are voting for Trump because they truly believe in him. Against all facts and logic, they still worship him.

What a sad state of affairs for the Democratic Party that they can't fund a candidate people want to vote for.

There was Bernie ...

But I digress.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-08 09:30 PM | Reply

-I've never denied that.

I didn't mean to imply you did. That was for the larger group

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-08 09:33 PM | Reply

-On the other hand. Trumpers are voting for Trump because they truly believe in him.

That's naive. You pretend any vote for a trump is not a vote against Biden.

Not true. Both candidates suffer from this problem.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2024-05-08 09:34 PM | Reply

I feel like, and this is based on personal observations, there are more pro Trump Americans than pro Biden Americans.

Now. That's my experience living in Los Angeles California, a solid blue state and I know a lot of people who are democrats. A few who worked on Hillary's campaign and were crushed by her loss.

I don't sense enthusiasm from any of them for Biden.

I could be wrong.

Perhaps there's a love for Biden in American that I don't recognize and I apologize.

But it seems like, as in 2020, Americans are voting to stop Trump.

Clinton and Obama had people voting for them. They had charisma and got voters excited.

I agree the popular vote is going to Biden.

Let's see where the EC lands.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-05-08 09:44 PM | Reply

@#25 ... "why would anyone living in a state that swings opposite of their vote bother voting at all? " ...

That is a good question.

The answer I offer is: because what is on the ballot may be important to them.

I.e., as I noted in #21, abortion, even in red states.

It was Mr Rove's strategy.

Will it work again?

I've not a clue.


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 09:46 PM | Reply

@#28 ... That's naive. You pretend any vote for a trump is not a vote against Biden.

Not true. Both candidates suffer from this problem. ...

In some respects, I agree.

But, on the other hand, Pres Biden does not have the cult following that fmr Pres Trump seems to have.


So there's that aspect.

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-05-08 09:49 PM | Reply

Shaming 3rd party voters always has worked, always will
#6 | Posted by hamburglar

Shaming them? Not me, as that would be an exercise in futility. Their ignorance of the democratic process and lack of self-awareness renders them incapable of shame.

I'm just enjoying them reaping what they sow (e.g., the Iraq War, Dubbya/Trump SCOTUS, destruction of representative government, disenfranchisement of Blacks, undoing of our environmental laws, etc.). Good times!

Jill Stein 2024!

#32 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-09 07:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Corky.

Glad you brought up Project 2025 again. We should try and keep this document in the headlines as much as possible until November 5th.

It really should be spotlighted even more. We need to get the word out as this what these people really want to do to America. When they tell you what they are going to do you ignore them at your own risk.

But I see no one is actually talking about what's IN Project 2025. Everything but apparently.

Too scary to even talk about?

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-09 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's one of my "favorites".

Purging the government of apolitical civil servants by firing as many as 50,000 and hiring replacements from a database of personnel vetted for conservative values and loyalty, a "Conservative Linked In." Successful candidates will undergo training at a "Presidential Training Academy" and be furnished "with the insight, background knowledge, and expertise in governance to immediately begin rolling back destructive policy and advancing conservative ideas in the federal government."

A government of the Maga by the Maga and for the Maga!!

Trumpy wants to take us back to the spoils system. (When America was not so Great?)

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-09 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yeah... rwingers are seriously pissed off about people like those in the DOJ that threatened to resign if he went ahead with his appointment of someone who would approve his Fake Elector Scheme.

You know, people with integrity and patriotism rather than loyalists to King Trump.

And they were his appointees, conservatives, but they weren't fanatics, Cultists, and traitors.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2024-05-09 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re: Censored

Keep farting into the wind

#36 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-05-10 05:40 AM | Reply

Re: Censored Keep farting into the wind
#36 | Posted by hamburglar

That sounds like an interesting hobby. I'll look into it.

Please let me know how urinating into the wind has worked out for Jill Stein/Ralph Nader voters; from their perspective I mean. From my vantage point it's been absolutely hilarious.

#37 | Posted by censored at 2024-05-10 10:27 AM | Reply

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