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Sunday, July 28, 2024

28-year-old who left the U.S. for Finland: What work is like in the world's happiest country -- "they essentially force you to take a vacation"

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Nothing like the US, where the corporate masters make themselves feel superior by keeping many of their wage slaves unhappy, and living paycheck to paycheck just to keep health insurance.

#1 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-07-28 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

In Finland, a millionaire caught speeding on the road is fined 100K Euros because they link fines to income. Finland also has one of the lowest prison populations in the world " the number hovers around 3,000 " and one-third of its prisons operate as open.

Remarkable that such a utopian nation shares an 830-mile border with its polar opposite, an aggressive dystopia run by oligarchs, gangsters, and the security services, with an enormous gulag system, kangaroo courts, and military press gangs to boot.

Sources:

www.weforum.org

pulitzercenter.org

#2 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-28 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#1 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Here's a story about how to get out of the "hellhole" you seem to believe you're in.

So why haven't you left then? I left China so I could get out of its "hellhole" communist ways. You can do it!

Tell us a bout your journey, in fact create a FansOnly documenting it.

I am with Horst on this, Americans complain a lot, which would be ok, if they could make their beds or do anything constructive with their lives.

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-07-28 06:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 2

if it is so happy, why does the US give Finland $1.65B a year? Finlands adult population is only about 4.4 million, the state of New York is 19.5 million!

are you pissed off at our Government yet?

#4 | Posted by Maverick at 2024-07-28 06:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

lol... 1Nut's solution is to run away.

Americans came out of Covid with now the strongest economy in the world... but we could be better if The People were to run the Gov rather than the very wealthy corporations.

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Reading the article, as some people might, gives a personal perspective on what it's like to live in such a country, rather than the usual facts and figures.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-28 06:48 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

You're just a whiny little unemployed bitch.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-28 06:49 PM | Reply

"The United States provides various forms of aid to Norway, primarily focusing on collaborative efforts in international development and humanitarian initiatives. One significant area of cooperation involves unexploded ordnance (UXO) clearance in Laos, where the U.S. and Norway have committed over $20.8 million to support Norwegian People's Aid (NPA) in survey and clearance operations in several provinces of Laos. This demonstrates a long-term commitment to addressing UXO issues in conflict-affected regions.

In terms of direct aid to Norway itself, there isn't a large volume of financial aid as Norway is a high-income country. However, both countries engage in numerous partnerships and shared initiatives on global issues, including climate change, peacekeeping, and humanitarian assistance, which can be seen as indirect benefits of U.S. support.

For more detailed information on U.S. foreign assistance and collaborative programs, you can explore the data on ForeignAssistance.gov and the USAID FY 2024 Budget Justification."

Where's this $1.65 billion at? What bill?

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-28 06:55 PM | Reply

Also with joining NATO they're doing better on % of GDP military spending than existing NATO members, especially Canada.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-28 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

why does the US give Finland $1.65B a year?

Do they really? What for?

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-28 06:57 PM | Reply

If Canada appears behind other NATO countries in budgets, they contribute to US defense through NORAD (which doesn't appear in the NATO budgets). NORAD just intercepted two RU and two PRC bombers IVO Alaska (posted on DR several days ago).

And please don't forget US aid to Israel. Adjusting for inflation, US aid to Israel from 1951 to 2022 totaled $317.9 billion, making it the largest recipient of American foreign aid since World War II.

Now let's examine the other recipients of hard-working American taxpayer dollars:

In Afghanistan (OEF): 157 Canadian, 2 Finnish, and 10 Norwegian Soldiers KIA (as well as other casualties from our NATO partners in ISAF).

Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) KIA or WIA in Afghanistan = 0.

In Iraq (2x) Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF): 318 KIA from Coalition partners.

IDF KIA or WIA in Iraq = 0.

During the Vietnam War: 521 Australian Soldiers KIA and 3,000 WIA. 5,099 South Korean Soldiers KIA and 10,962 WIA.

IDF KIA or WIA in Vietnam = 0.

As for Finland, the US is bolstering their defenses against he Kremlin. The Finns have become a front-line defense for NATO, sharing a 830-mile long border with Russia. And Helsinki gives the USG carte blanche in their country.

See all sources below:

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

usafacts.org

www.norad.mil

www.thedefensepost.com

#10 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-28 08:14 PM | Reply

&nbs

... What work is like in the world's happiest country ...

While I never worked in Finland, I did have responsibilities for a company in The Netherlands at one point in my career. The Netherlands is ranked as the 6th happiest country ( www.afar.com ).

One of the things I notices a I visited a couple cities and went out into the countryside during my many business visit to the country.

The people there were a happy folk. Everyone I met and everyone I talked with, smiles everywhere. It was even before I had known about these "happiest country" ratings. My impression whenever I visited was, wow, these people are so happy.

It was an odd experience.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-28 08:35 PM | Reply

If you give me $1.6 Billion I'll be happy, too.

Good for Finland. A lot of take always from it.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-28 08:43 PM | Reply

I left China so I could get out of its "hellhole" communist ways.

#3 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Yes, China has gone too far to the left. And the US has gone much too far to the right. If you don't want a social safety net, go somewhere else. There a several other libertarian(crony capitalist) crap holes that should suite you just fine without destroying this country. Given a choice between what you want and what most of the developed world has, I will certainly take the later. The best and happiest countries in the world have a healthy mix of both, socialism and capitalism.

And stop making broad assumptions about people on an anonymous website, jack---. I've done just fine. But that's because I came from an era when more of the middle class did just fine. I only spent a short part of my life working for one of those slave masters before that employer sold out to someone outside the US, where wage slaves were even cheaper. Then I spent the rest of my life never working for anyone but me. But for our children it's a much harder road. Not everyone is cut out to work for themselves. And the masters know it. We are slowly becoming one of those nations where labor is highly exploited, just like China. But it didn't have to be that way... Greed is a common trait among sociopaths.

#13 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-07-28 09:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There is less stress and anxiety in many of these European countries because they have universal health care, low citizen access to firearms, living wages, robust social security nets, as well as affordable pharmaceuticals and free college. And in some countries, the police are unarmed (e.g. the UK and Ireland).

Financial problems and debt (school, home, or medical) causes stress.

A 2015 study by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that medical bills caused one million US adults to declare bankruptcy every year and that 26% of Americans age 18 to 64 struggled to pay medical bills. Medical bankruptcies are mostly unheard of outside of the US.

Lastly, when you walk into a penzion in Germany, the TV might be set to a soccer game. In Paris and Vienna, people eat and drink on the sidewalk terraces without TV. But walk into a bar or hotel room in Florida, and the TV is already set on Fox News.

Sources:

worldpopulationreview.com

www.studying-in-germany.org

#14 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-28 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#14 ... There is less stress and anxiety in many of these European countries because they have universal health care, low citizen access to firearms, living wages, robust social security nets, as well as affordable pharmaceuticals and free college. ...

The workplace in The Netherlands was a huge change for me. My manager had told (bordering upon warned) me to be prepared, so it was not a surprise, just a change.

The people who worked for me were great. So focused upon accomplishing their goals. To the point that they asked me rather direct questions. OK, stunningly direct questions. Once I got over the initial surprise, I found the subsequent conversations to be knowledgeable and very informative. I learned a lot by listening instead of managerial commanding. (to which I say "thank-you" to the Effecting Listening course that was a part of the General Electric Management Training Program I was in back in the day).

Another aspect of the workplace in The Netherlands, stated simply, the employees of a company get to elect members of the ~board~ of that company.

Works council or staff representation
business.gov.nl

... Does your company employ 10 people or more? You need to set up a works council (ondernemingsraad, OR), staff representation (personeelsvertegenwoordiging, PVT), or hold staff meetings (personeelsvergadering, PV). It depends on the number of employees which type of representation of you need to set up. ...

When I talked with the people on that works council, I found them to be quite focused upon the good and benefit of the company. To them, it did not seem to me to be, ~what can I get~ but more of ~how can we make this company better.~

So, another reason for the happiness.


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-28 10:14 PM | Reply

#'s 13 and 14 both NW

Thanks for posting.

I might add that in many of these N European countries, who are every year in the Top 5 Happiest People list, businesses are often less regulated than in in many other countries.

It appears that a fair system has a positive effect on the companies as well as the people... they don't seem to feel the need to treat people like dirt, and aren't really allowed to, so perhaps they see themselves as worthwhile, too.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-28 10:17 PM | Reply

You're welcome, Corky. But I'm not sure about the less regulated part of your statement. Besides national laws, European companies must adhere to EU laws. I'll have to look into that.

BLUF: There is just less tension in these unarmed societies where the wealth gaps are minimal.

And LL: You worked for Neutron Jack?

#17 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-28 10:38 PM | Reply


@#17 ... And LL: You worked for Neutron Jack? ...

No.


#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-28 10:44 PM | Reply

@#18

Let's just say that I was on the General Electric Management Training Program decades before Mr Welch took helm and, in my view, destroyed an iconic American company.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-28 10:49 PM | Reply

@#19

Not just your view, LAMPLIGHTER. I knew several people at GE as well as an outside consultant who oversaw its re-structuring a few years ago. The post mortem was both eye-opening and terrible.

Where would you rank Neutron Jack? Somewhere between Bernie Madoff and Armand Hammer?

#20 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-28 10:56 PM | Reply

@#20 ... Where would you rank Neutron Jack? ...

imo ...

I'd place Mr Welch in the realm of the wealthy that try to extract money from companies for their own personal benefit, but to the ultimate detriment of the company. A corporate raider, so to speak.

As a CEO of GE, Mr Welch may have achieved his personal wealth-oriented goals, but long-term investing to the benefit of GE, the corporation, well, I'd say that Mr Welch blew it.

General Electric is still trying to recover from what Mr Welch did to it.

Current management seems to be better. But will GE ever return to its former iconic status after the attack of the Welch era?

I doubt it.

... imo

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-28 11:28 PM | Reply

Concur. And I have two relatives who were victimized by GE's retirement plans.

Link:

www.forbes.com

BTW:

Did you read "Empires of Light: Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, and the Race to Electrify the World" by Jill Jonnes?

#22 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-29 12:16 AM | Reply

"There is less stress and anxiety in many of these European countries because they have universal health care, low citizen access to firearms, living wages, robust social security nets, as well as affordable pharmaceuticals and free college."

Yeah, no Scott...but spoken like a true 'Merican.

But I'll tell you why Europeans are happier. They spend their days engaged in outdoor activities, which they accentuate with much tobacco and alcohol.

The free healthcare is not free, and many European choose to take out private plans. Taxes are far higher, especially on lower income earners. The marginal rates cap out at far lower levels than in the US. None of this is good or bad-just different. But none of the reasons you mentioned above contributed to my deciding to remain living in Europe. In fact access to guns is a little too restrictive for my taste. They're everywhere and relatively easy to get. What's harder is find a group to go shooting with.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-29 11:01 AM | Reply

Finland is a cool place. If you like outdoor activities, it has a lot to offer. The author is right though, it is dark through much of the year...even by European standards.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-29 11:02 AM | Reply

I'm looking forward to retiring or slowing down allowing us to visit places like this.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-29 11:11 AM | Reply

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