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Monday, August 05, 2024

Wall Street's stock sell-off intensified in a major way Monday as concerns mounted over the health of the US economy. The Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) fell over 1,000 points. The Nasdaq Composite (^IXIC) was crushed by more than 3.4%. The S&P 500's (^GSPC) losses cascaded nearly 3% in its worst day since 2022, capping its worst start to any month since 2002. Wall Street's "fear gauge" " the CBOE Volatility Index (^VIX) " touched its highest level since the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, before retreating. Treasury yields fell, with the benchmark 10-year Treasury yield (^TNX) hovering near 3.8%.

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As your 401k evaporates, remember, this BEFORE Israel and Iran start trading missiles - this drop was just based on the bad economic data. I am so happy that Biden had the foresight to sell off the strategic oil reserve to its lowest level in 40 years so we can whether the jump in oil prices without destroying the economy...oh, wait.

#1 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 07:14 PM | Reply

---- off you stupid ----.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-05 07:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"---- off you stupid ----.
#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead"

Why are you so angry? You don't have 2 nickels to rub together so this had no impact on you while hurting rich people. You should be dancing in the streets.

#3 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 07:29 PM | Reply

You should just shut the ---- up right now and save yourself further humiliation, you weak little -----.

Hope you sold everything today, you ------- idiot.

#4 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-05 07:38 PM | Reply

I should also note - assuming the crash ends today, Biden has returned effectively 0% on the Dow Jones after inflation. A truly historic presidency. However, I think it is much more likely that we will sink below today's level by election day as Bidenomics continues to destroy the nation giving him a negative return after inflation.

#5 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 08:12 PM | Reply

The------------------- did the impossible by making Hoover look like an economic genius.

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-08-05 08:19 PM | Reply

"#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot"

Yes, the huge stock market returns and real wage growth did not occur under Trump which is why Biden's economy is seen so favorably now - right jackass?

#7 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 08:22 PM | Reply

You're a ------- idiot. I swear to ----, who lets morons like you near a keyboard?

"has returned effectively 0%"

WTF are you talking about, --------?

On Jan 21,2021 the Dow Jones was at 31,188.38.

Dow today 38,703.27

Math is hard for you --------, ain't it? Leave all your cash in Enron, eh?

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-05 08:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Clodio had all his money in Hertz; a big piece of their Elec Car fleet purchase from fElon.

100,000 cars they are sitting on. And it hurts him badly.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-05 09:01 PM | Reply

""has returned effectively 0%"
WTF are you talking about, --------?
On Jan 21,2021 the Dow Jones was at 31,188.38.
Dow today 38,703.27"

Are being intentionally dishonest or is this just a result of your low IQ because when you removed AFTER INFLATION from my post to try to get some win as those are the only 2 explanations?

Here is my post: "Biden has returned effectively 0% on the Dow Jones after inflation"

And given your prior misunderstanding, I will help you with the math: 31,188.38 to 38,703.27 = 24% return, which is roughly inline with the officially stated inflation and WAY LESS than inflation under the more accurate old formula - which was changed to screw over SS retirees.

So, my statement is FACTCHECKED 100% TRUE -------. Wise up or stop lying - whichever it was that made you make your last libturd post.

#10 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 09:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Clodio had all his money in Hertz; a big piece of their Elec Car fleet purchase from fElon.
100,000 cars they are sitting on. And it hurts him badly.
#9 | Posted by Corky"

I am not dumb enough to buy a full electric car like you libturds are - and are now trying to ban ICE vehicles so we can all look as equally stupid in the future.

If I were forced to buy an hybrid EV, I would buy the RAV4 plug-in hybrid as I posted on here previously. If I was forced to buy a full electric, I would buy a Tesla.

But, as it stands, I drive a gas powered Mercedes with no plans to switch. I am doing my part to keep the next ice age at bay.

#11 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 09:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The------------------- is the new Hoover.

finance.yahoo.com

#12 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-08-05 09:55 PM | Reply

I dropped ~2%. Not enough to warrant any action except to pick up a few nicely priced items while they are on sale.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-05 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I dropped ~2%. Not enough to warrant any action except to pick up a few nicely priced items while they are on sale.
#13 | Posted by YAV"

Translation: I got bent over a barrel but have not learned my lesson of trying to catch a falling knife yet.

#14 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I've been waiting for a drop, so I picked up a few shares this morning. I'll probably pick up a few more tomorrow. Not gonna go crazy, global ---- like this might go south fast.

But I think we're (US) in decent shape. Intel is ------, but otherwise chip makers will continue to see growth.

Axis of Turds (Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc.) is making things uneasy for sure.

Which is all the better for chips makers.

Just have to see how it goes.

#15 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-08-05 11:41 PM | Reply

Rwingers are always finding things to Panic about... well, unless it's Trump offering favors to Big Oil for stated amount of a billion dollars cash.

They love that.

Or Trump saying he has to like electric cars now because Musk gave him so much money.

He's a real Republican, baby.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-05 11:47 PM | Reply

"But I think we're (US) in decent shape. Intel is ------, but otherwise chip makers will continue to see growth.
#15 | Posted by horstngraben"

You are making 2 wrong assumptions. US is not in good shape and even the government can't lie to hide the numbers any longer - we will see unemployment tick up every month from here on out. That was the initial cause of panic crash. Second, all chip makers are gonna get hit like in the dotcom collapse. If Bitcoin continues dropping, you will see the market flooded with cheap GPUs and Nvidia's new sales plummet. I saw this in 2000/2001 when used Cisco routers flooded the market. Right now, there is still AI and crypto bubbles - but, both are bound to pop. Overall, infotech has already started mass layoffs over 6-9 months ago. Used cars sales, new car sales, etc - all point to tapped out consumers and a coming collapse in retail sales.

#17 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-05 11:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anyone else sick of Trumpholes -------- on the United States?
I know I am.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-06 10:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

These kind of threads never age well.

The stock market has already gained back ~600 pts today.

I believe it's called volatility?

Which we haven't seen much of lately under the stable and dare I say normal (as in NOT weird) presidency of Joe Biden.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-06 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And that 2%?
That's just 1% today.
(and I got two bargains!)

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-06 03:25 PM | Reply

How's the weather in Panic City?

#21 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-06 03:28 PM | Reply

"And that 2%?
That's just 1% today.
(and I got two bargains!)
#20 | Posted by YAV"

Morons like you is how casinos exist. You lose $10,000 yesterday and then celebrate when you win back $3,000 today.

#22 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-06 07:23 PM | Reply

I didn't lose anything.
You aren't too smart, are you?

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-06 07:53 PM | Reply

BTW, your numbers aren't even the right ratio, so you really really aren't too smart.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-06 07:55 PM | Reply

lmao... Clodio's Cult Leader; only guy to lose money owning casinos.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-06 07:59 PM | Reply

Haha! Nice one, Corky!

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-06 08:03 PM | Reply

"I didn't lose anything.
You aren't too smart, are you?
#23 | Posted by YAV"

I assume you have about 90% of your investment $ invested in the market and about 10% sitting on the sidelines. Hence, my %'s are representative of the Dow Jones fluctuation. But, do tell us of how you went 100% to cash immediately before the bottom fell out of the market.

#27 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-06 09:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I should also point out - I don't even blame you for trying to catch the falling knife and staying in the market. With Biden inflation, you are forced to be in either the stock market or the housing market for a majority of the time or the value of your money continues to plummet.

#28 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-06 10:07 PM | Reply

I didn't cash out, so no loss.
Same in 2007-2008.
Why would I realize a loss when there's no need?

And no, 90%/10% is not close, nor are my investments only in the market.
That would be reckless.

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-06 10:19 PM | Reply


I didn't lose anything.
#23 | POSTED BY YAV

Somebody did.


I believe it's called volatility?

Which went a little crazy.
www.google.com

Lot of reasons this is occurring, the US debt, CPI and Unemployment numbers are probably why. I expect the market to go bonkers here over the next month or so.

Its the dip before the rip, happened in 08.

#30 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-06 10:48 PM | Reply


With Biden inflation, you are forced to be in either the stock market or the housing market for a majority of the time or the value of your money continues to plummet.

Holding onto cash is of course losing value. The housing market has also been stagnant as interest rates climbed. But if the fall some, it's possible to get the economy going again.

I do see a huge drop off in job opportunities since January. Used to see 10-20 a day, now it's a trickle, maybe 3 a week.

But there have been lots of layoffs in tech so there is the resistance to hiring I suppose.

#31 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-06 10:51 PM | Reply

"I didn't cash out, so no loss."

Ah, I see. You are just delusional. Probably think you are still sitting on a $1M Beanie Baby collection because you didn't lose and money unless you sell.

"Same in 2007-2008.
Why would I realize a loss when there's no need?"

1.) For tax purposes - I do it with my losers ever year.
2.) Because it is only going to get worse

"And no, 90%/10% is not close, nor are my investments only in the market.
That would be reckless.
#29 | Posted by YAV"

I was not talking about your entire net worth - I assume you have an allocation that you put into the market and have that about 90% invested at this point. I am at 60% cash anticipating another leg down.

#32 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-06 11:15 PM | Reply

"I do see a huge drop off in job opportunities since January. Used to see 10-20 a day, now it's a trickle, maybe 3 a week.
But there have been lots of layoffs in tech so there is the resistance to hiring I suppose.
#31 | Posted by oneironaut"

Over the last year, employment of native born US citizens fell by 1.2M jobs. Eventually, this makes it way to state employment like in CA which will be forced to slash additional jobs to close their deficits driven by a collapse in the private market. The only question is how much the economy collapses in the next 30 days.

#33 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-06 11:18 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY CLAUDIO


Over the last year, employment of native born US citizens fell by 1.2M jobs.

I know I am someone that took the job from them.


Eventually, this makes it way to state employment like in CA which will be forced to slash additional jobs to close their deficits driven by a collapse in the private market.

They aren't connected, they maybe forced to slash openings, but they are still hiring.

Deficits don't matter to the government. I have never seen a government "slash" anything, just cut back on growth rate.


The only question is how much the economy collapses in the next 30 days.

That's what "dip N rip" means.

But if interests rate get lower there is a lot of inventory, and pent up demand. Buying a home could possibly reinvigorate the economy. It depends upon how long the Fed waits. Wait until consumers are drowning. Then it might be a problem.

Interesting here link to housing
map.reventure.app

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-06 11:50 PM | Reply

"But if interests rate get lower there is a lot of inventory, and pent up demand.
#34 | Posted by oneironaut"

Ceteris paribus - you would be correct. But, now you are finally starting to see real fear setting in for workers which will be much less willing to make major purchases with job stability fears. You see it already in the auto markets (new and used). Interest rates WERE the major problem - now it is fear of having a job more so than the interest rate being charged.

#35 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-07 12:00 AM | Reply

" Over the last year, employment of native born US citizens fell by 1.2M jobs"

Yeah, it's called the baby boomers' retirement, dumfuq.

At 10,000/day, that's 3.65 million leaving the workforce. It only makes macro sense immigrants, many of whom are now citizens, have filled some of the need.

The claim is for morons who don't understand ANY aspect of the macro equation. And, of course, it makes no distinction between immigrant citizens, and undocumented workers.

Intellectually dishonest, through and through.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-07 01:38 AM | Reply

Danforth,

Are you arguing this huge drop is the result of Boomers retiring?

From what I've observed and studied, everything wrong right now is a culmination of decades of terrible fiscal policy.

It's bi-partisan although I am extremely confident you attribute it 100% (not even 99.5%) to Republicans, but it does go back decades.

Fed 0% for anything longer than a few months..."Quantitative Easing" which is simply printing money and devaluing our currency, ridiculous deficits and a level of debt that now exceeds annual GDP, and on top of all of that we have the coming liabilities for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security that don't have a funding trajectory to match.

#37 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 01:52 AM | Reply

" Are you arguing this huge drop is the result of Boomers retiring"

No, I'm saying the huge drop is because it treats long-time immigrant citizens THE SAME as undocumented workers.

The framing is intellectually dishonest. Can you at least admit that much?!?

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-07 02:18 AM | Reply

" From what I've observed and studied, everything wrong right now is a culmination of decades of terrible fiscal policy."

Gee, if only we knew who took America's fiscal sites and reset them from surpluses to deficits.

No way to know, I guess ...

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-07 02:20 AM | Reply

" It's bi-partisan"

No, only one party reset the sites. And (surprise, surprise!) it's the same party who, since then, has always refused to increase taxes, including record filibusters to that end.

Pick up a history book if you need to.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-07 02:23 AM | Reply

"Yeah, it's called the baby boomers' retirement
#36 | Posted by Danforth"

So, baby boomers only retired in 2024? I ask as employment for native born went UP in EVERY SINGLE YEAR SINCE 2011 other than 2021 (due to covid) including 2022 and 2023. So, 2024 we had some mystery spike in mass-baby boomer retirement not seen before and was in no way due to the ---- economy?

fred.stlouisfed.org

You are delusional as are the rest of the libturds. Time for you to face facts - the problem is the economy and that is Bidenomics in a nutshell. Biden's economy works wonders for immigrants but leave Americans behind - which is why Kamaltoe is trailing in all the swing states.

#41 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-07 03:07 AM | Reply

"Gee, if only we knew who took America's fiscal sites and reset them from surpluses to deficits.
#39 | Posted by Danforth"

First, it is "sights", not "sites" -------.

Second, what the f are you crowing about Democrats and surpluses? That was a singular event under Clinton in large part due to the GOP congress controlling spending timed with the greatest productivity advance since the industrial revolution being the mass conversion to internet v1.0 and the computer revolution. Now, I assume you will attribute that to Al Gore's invention of the internet - but the reality is that this unprecedented productivity growth came about through no action by other party. And outside of this singular event, you have had nearly 12 years of the presidency and posted nothing but ever growing deficits.

#42 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-07 03:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Claudio, I'm going to give you a quick overview of what I think happened.

Traders went nuts trying to borrow money from Japan at low interest rates.
One of the last refuges for that, and the dollar was ridiculously strong against the Yen.

Japan responded and immediately raised their interest rates.
The Yen rebounded.
The markets tanked.

All this other "explanation" about what was going on and what happened was mostly bs.
This was a bunch of traders and managers getting caught gaming.

And I am making out quite nicely.

But do continue your narrative. May it serve you appropriately.

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-07 08:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This was a bunch of traders and managers getting caught gaming.

Pretty much. That's why they call it "high risk".

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-08-07 08:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Futures are looking quite good today.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-07 09:24 AM | Reply

" No, only one party reset the sites. And (surprise, surprise!) it's the same party who, since then, has always refused to increase taxes, including record filibusters to that end.

Pick up a history book if you need to.

#40 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-08-07 02:23 AM | FLAG: "

Funny how that continued when one party had the WH and big majorities in Congress from 2009-2011. Does your history book say something different?

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-07 11:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Democrats held between 56-58 seats in the Senate. Control required 60.
You know that. You've been told over and over.
And here you are hiding behind "big majorities" as if that was all that mattered.
You don't ever let reality intrude, though.

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-07 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Financial advice from JeffytheB and Clodio is like taking acting lessons from Kid Rock and Hulk Hogan, rofl!

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-07 02:31 PM | Reply

"Financial advice from JeffytheB and Clodio is like taking acting lessons from Kid Rock and Hulk Hogan, rofl!
#48 | Posted by Corky"

How is catching a falling knife working out for you -------? I actually feel bad saying this as I know you will just double down on your stupidity and lose your money twice as fast from here on out.

#49 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-07 08:29 PM | Reply

#49

Some people here pay more in taxes than you make a year. You might want to ponder on that, Bozo.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-07 08:32 PM | Reply

"#50 | Posted by Corky"

Highly doubtful - any actually wealthy person here would have inherited their wealth. No one on the libturd side of the spectrum has shown an ounce of aptitude towards business or making money - your bloody hands from catching the falling knife would be exhibit A.

My guess - of the libturds here, probably 90% of your investment gains came from owning a house and its equity appreciation. You work dead end jobs at low pay and clearly have no clue how to invest.

#51 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-07 08:50 PM | Reply

@#43 ... Traders went nuts trying to borrow money from Japan at low interest rates. ...

Yup. Using cheap Japanese-borrowed money to put into investments elsewhere. ("carried interest")

... One of the last refuges for that, and the dollar was ridiculously strong against the Yen. ...

Yup, again. And aside from the low interest rate in Japan. Borrow money in Japan at a ridiculously low interest rate, and invest that money in other countries.

Japan ends era of negative interest rates. (March 2024)
www.weforum.org

#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 09:02 PM | Reply

@#51 ... My guess - of the libturds here ...

While your current alias is hurling insults around, I do seem to remember it asserting back in the spring of 2023 on this most august site that the United States was in a recession.

How did that assertion turn out for your current alias?

#53 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- My guess

Is as laugh out loud able as most of the tripe you post.

You are a Cultist who shills for a Traitor... there's really not much to be said after that.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-07 10:24 PM | Reply

"#53 | Posted by LampLighter"

If the US did not lie about rate of inflation, we would have been a recession in 2023. Further, per their own definition now:

"Claudia Sahm, a recession in the United States may be starting when the three-month average of the unemployment rate is at least half a percentage point higher than the 12-month low"

Sahm was a Senior Economist at the Council of Economic Advisers for the Obama administration

So, yes - we were then and yes, we are now. That is why the economy is cited as the biggest concern of voters despite the CCP level of economic data the Biden regimes publishes.

#55 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-08-07 10:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

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