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"The U.S. economy is the envy of the rest of the world, as it is the only significant economy that is growing more quickly post-pandemic than prepandemic."

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-- Raw Story (@rawstory.com) January 5, 2025 at 7:43 AM

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It was pretty amazing how MAGA was bitching about the price of eggs and gas, while at the same time they were spending more money on frivolous crap than ever.

#1 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-01-05 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump lied??

No one could have guessed that!

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-05 04:14 PM | Reply

Fifteen seconds after he takes his hand off the bible the economy will suddenly be the best it's ever been, based on the same numbers.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-05 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump must be looking at the high homelessness numbers. The number made homeless by Bidenomics were unimportant until recently.

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-05 05:09 PM | Reply

Or Trump could be looking at the prices of prescription drugs, which have ballooned even more than the high rate of Bidenflation.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-05 05:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Prices of prescription drugs fell under both of the last two administrations.

But that's in the real world, not in Trumpville.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-05 05:26 PM | Reply

#4
#5

You live in a fantasy world.

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-01-05 05:27 PM | Reply

#5 | Posted by visitor

What I've learned about you over this enormous length of time is that you have a steely-sharp understanding of what an incompetent fool Donald is. He's already washed his hands of things like hamburger, egg, or drug prices.

You're here to jeer. There's not much else to you.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2025-01-05 05:30 PM | Reply

www.statista.com

Oops.

www.statista.com

Oops.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-05 05:46 PM | Reply

That fat demented rapist and fraud can go ---- himself.

#10 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-05 05:47 PM | Reply

Trump is the only president in the last 80 years with net job losses during his presidency.

Oops.

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-05 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You can always tell when Oz unlocks the basement door.

#12 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-05 06:24 PM | Reply

The morbidly obese rapist sucked so bad he got lapped by W and finished dead last. lol

www.nytimes.com

#13 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-05 07:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the over/under on how long it takes Epstein's bankruptcy-prone wingman to best the 15% unemployment rate he racked up during his first putrid presidency?

#14 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-06 08:53 AM | Reply

Thank goodness Trump has been reelected. The very second he's inaugurated the economy will be the best it's ever been and the border will be completely secure.

#15 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2025-01-06 03:16 PM | Reply

Is the putrid orange pedo going to release GQP heartthrob Derek Chauvin after taking office?

#16 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-06 04:40 PM | Reply

In about a month King Dotard II will declare "I fixed the economy" and the barking seals that are his minions, toadies and lackeys will cheer and applaud, just like they do in North Korea or the Peoples Congress in Beijing. Of course, the king then becomes owner of all that happens afterward.

And here's some news that cannot be called fake, per CNN:
The S&P 500 gained more than 23% this year after rising 24% in 2023. The back-to-back gains of over 20% is the best performance for the benchmark index since 1997 and 1998, according to data from FactSet. The S&P 500 is up by around 53% over the past two years, after a poor performance in 2022 that saw the index fall 20%.

The S&P 500 was up approx. 66.8% during the reign of Dotard I. During Diamond Joe Biden's presidency, the S&P is up 73.5%, even with a drop of 20% in 2022. Somehow that's bad.

Remember Covid? The unemployment rate went up a little more than a lot. It's now at 4.2%, which is close to full employment. I guess the only Americans who can't find work are the Red Hat Goon Squad, many of whom are too dense to find their way to a job.

The lies are about to begin in earnest. Dems and other free thinking Americans must stand ready to call the liars at every turn, and refute those lies with facts...

#17 | Posted by catdog at 2025-01-07 09:43 AM | Reply

#17 great post

Problem now is that facts are an endangered species due to the decades long efforts of billionaire backed Republicans to destroy them in the Media.

Today facts are what President Musk and VP Traitor say that they are.

In a very few years J6 will only be remembered and taught as the New Beginning of the Glorious Second Coming of Saint Donald.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-07 09:58 AM | Reply

Visitor demonstrates precisely why MAGA is stupid enough to believe the bait and switch without even so much as a blink at its obvious sham status.

What a pathetic sack of s&^%.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-07 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"The U.S. economy is the envy of the rest of the world..."
-- the Numbers Tell a Different Story

Isn't that what "Dark Brandon" kept saying? So if the "economy" / "employment" / "manufacturing" / "inflation" NUMB3RS are so great, why did Harris+Dems lose the election? Did no one enlighten "Deplorables" how good they have it and they owe it all to Biden/Harris administration policies? I mean, look at OUR 401(k)/IRA/Roth accounts!

So another NYT article with feel-good rehash of 'wonderful economy' ... with no effort to hear voters and their 'economies' as the inevitable result of demand-side / "trickle-up" Bidenomics - "From the middle out / from the bottom up..." money "trickle up" to those who own/control appreciable hard and liquid assets and income generators.

Maybe, looking at other NUMB3RS, it was not "the envy of 65%-70% of the people of the rest of the USA" and so they rejected and "flipped the government" just like many in the rest of the world did, regardless of what side (left/right) they were? And will flip back if not deliver - UK Labor is already deeply unpopular.

www.nbcnews.com - Two-thirds of voters say the country is on the wrong track ahead of the 2024 election - 2024-09-26

Article also makes several wrong assumptions that what's important and looks good to the economic mavens or financial markets is remotely relevant to voters... e.g., "manufacturing":

Manufacturing sector employment as a percentage of private workforce has declined from about 33% in 1970s to only about 8.5% today, but still averages about the same 11%-12% of real GDP - yet gets inordinate "brain-share" of political support because of presumption of "good-paying (union) jobs" and fuzzy "necessity" even if parts of it have long stopped being competitive (e.g., US Steel). For comparison, China's 27.5% of GDP, Korea 25.5%, Japan 20.9%, Switzerland and Germany 19% ... France 9%, UK 8.7%...

USA's 7.8% of "Manufactured Goods World Trade" is lower than decades ago, mostly due to high(er) production costs and tariffs reducing market competitiveness. And "Manufacturing Sector" growth under Biden's "industrial policy" has been negative (in recession) for the last 2 years, despite bipartisan 2021 #1.2T Infrastructure bill.

IOW, at least 80% of voters rightly don't give a 'T*u*p' about "manufacturing employment."


Trump lies (duh!)... but Dems should stop lying to themselves, if they want to stop losing to worst "lewzers":

www.mentalhealth.com - Why We Lie To Ourselves | Understanding Cognitive Dissonance: The Root of Self-Deception - 2024-09-25

www.forbes.com - A Psychologist Explains Why We Lie To Ourselves - 2024-03-07

James Carville in NYT: "We lost for one very simple reason: It was, it is and it always will be the economy, stupid." - but I didn't see THAT posted on this site.

thehill.com - Carville on Harris loss - 2024-03-07

thehill.com - Carville:
"We didn't make it about voters... They don't want an election about you or your opponent. ... we lost that."
- 2024-01-04

www.ispot.tv - ECON 101 / "What is the economy?" (30s)
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#20 | Posted by CutiePie at 2025-01-08 06:47 AM | Reply

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Correction - dates:

thehill.com - Carville on Harris loss - 2025-01-02

thehill.com - Carville:
"We didn't make it about voters... They don't want an election about you or your opponent. ... we lost that."
- 2024-01-04
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#21 | Posted by CutiePie at 2025-01-08 07:10 AM | Reply

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#17 | Posted by catdog at 2025-01-07 09:43 AM
The S&P 500 gained more than 23% this year after rising 24% in 2023. The back-to-back gains of over 20% is the best performance for the benchmark index since 1997 and 1998, according to data from FactSet. The S&P 500 is up by around 53% over the past two years, after a poor performance in 2022 that saw the index fall 20%.

The S&P 500 was up approx. 66.8% during the reign of Dotard I. During Diamond Joe Biden's presidency, the S&P is up 73.5%, even with a drop of 20% in 2022. Somehow that's bad.

Fantastic facts and NUMB3RS! Which point out exactly the follies of Bidenomics - money went "from the bottom up and from the middle out" / i.e., "rich got richer, poor got poorer" (see my previous post about how money flows in the demand-side/"trickle-up" and the "industrial policy" inflationary economies) and why less than two upper quintiles (people like "us"!?) could feel good about THEIR economy (i.e., people falling behind on their bills, credit, especially ones "on fixed income" who can't keep up with inflation but, with people living longer, are increasing in number, and they vote).

Also, as you pointed out the "market" had a huge downturn right after wasteful bi-partisan 2021 $1.2T Infrastructure bill (and "manufacturing" hasn't recovered since), until October 2022, - that's when OpenAI made a ChatGPT announcement and sparked Mag7 "irrational exuberance" of market bubble... Exactly what did "Dark Brandon" (who, as every President, wants/gets the "credit") have to do with that "market cycle"? Where would this market (and the "economy") be without "AI"?

Also, despite this wonderful market, what was consistently swept under the rug by "mainstream" media and ignored by Dem campaigns, that for a long time at least two out of three people (in the lower quintiles) thought the country was "on the wrong track" and the "economy was in recession" and that Biden's negative "job approval/disapproval" ratings

As you well know, "the market is not the economy" (especially "cap-weighted indexes" like SPX) and in recent decades has been more and more divorced from, or even inverse to, the economic realities... because of the Fed and interest rate considerations. "QE forever" has conditioned the market dependency on lower interest rates. Often, what's bad for the economy was deemed good for the market, because, e.g., the Fed's policies and interest rates are tied to perceptions of economy and "weaker economy = lower interest rates", which are good for the market etc. So "weak" economy is good for the market, "strong" economy is good for the market - "heads you win, tails you win."

That's why "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" in the last few weeks of the campaign resonated so well with the less-affluent class, while Harris campaign was having glam-time with entertainment celebrities and giving interviews to friendly media that "nobody" cared to watched.

Remember Covid? The unemployment rate went up a little more than a lot. It's now at 4.2%, which is close to full employment.

Unemployment (U-3) rate, as flawed a NUMB3R as it is (much better range of indicators of job market conditions exist), obviously, came down pretty much everywhere else in the world since COVID. Yes, all Presidents claim credit for "low" #s, and blame "others" for "high" #s. Hell, in Russia it's 2.3% (along with inflation of 9% and CB rate of 21%) -

Obsessing about / comparing against COVID (un-)employment rates is just another example of "lying to yourself" - the sooner Dems stop doing that to themselves (and the rest of us), the faster they can start forming new, centrist, leadership that works for the people, not just know-nothing spoiled privileged brats.
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#22 | Posted by CutiePie at 2025-01-08 10:42 AM | Reply

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