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Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Donald Trump of repeating disinformation, a day after the US president falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war with Russia.

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"Unfortunately, President Trump " I have great respect for him as a leader of a nation that we have great respect for, the American people who always support us " unfortunately lives in this disinformation space," Zelensky said."

But Trump did not stop at questioning who started the war in Ukraine. Repeating another line often pushed by the Kremlin, Trump appeared to question Zelensky's legitimacy.

"We have a situation where we haven't had elections in Ukraine, where we have martial law," Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort, incorrectly claiming that Zelensky's approval rating was "at 4%."
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"He pointed to a poll conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) earlier this month which showed that while his popularity dropped significantly since the early days of the war, his approval rate has never dropped below 50% and currently stands at 57%."

SO... he's like 10 points more popular in his country than Trump is here.

Liar Trump.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He should say the orange pedo is a demented sack of Putin's DNA.

#2 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-19 09:54 AM | Reply

Lavrov praises the-------------.

politicalwire.com

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-19 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump call for Ukraine election based on Russian 'disinformation,' Zelenskyy says

Trump falsely claimed that Zelenskyy's public approval rating was as low as 4%

LONDON -- Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hit back at President Donald Trump's call for the country to hold fresh presidential elections following Tuesday's historic Russia-U.S. talks in Saudi Arabia.

abcnews.go.com

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 11:23 AM | Reply

"Factchecking Donald Trump's claims about the war in Ukraine

As US-Russia talks continue in Saudi Arabia, we look at the US president's misleading and outright false statements"

www.theguardian.com

I wonder if he's going to find it harder to sell all his blatant LIES overseas as he does at home?

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 11:32 AM | Reply

"Disinformation space" in this case is synonymous with "Cloud Cuckoo Land."

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-02-19 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's a lying POS that works for Putin.
He is lying about everything.

Today he called Zelenskyy an "unelected dictator" - he's neither.
He then blamed Ukraine for starting the war.
Went on to say Zelenskyy should have ended this immediately.
Then again he and fElon were lying their assess off on TV today projecting their criminality on all their critics.

They've turned the United States into a pariah state, whose only backers are other pariah states.
Disgusting.

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

PARIS, Feb 19 (Reuters) - France does not understand why U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy was to blame for Russia's invasion of his country and the resulting war, a French government spokesperson said on Wednesday.

"We don't understand the logic very well," spokesperson Sophie Primas told reporters, describing "the diverse, varied and often incomprehensible comments by President Trump".

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2025-02-19 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump is the origin of a lot of our disinformation. And his pet elon.

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-02-19 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not just Trump, but all his deplorable Trumping MAGAts as well.

Read any post from a Trump supporter and its all propaganda, lies and misinformation.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-19 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Ukraine rallies around Zelenskyy after Trump's vicious attack

Kyiv blasts back at the U.S. president after he ridicules Ukraine's leader " and demands the war-ravaged country hold an election.

KYIV " Ukraine is sick of it.

After American President Donald Trump attacked Kyiv's leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy, calling him incompetent and a "dictator without elections" who had duped the U.S. into coughing up billions of dollars in military support, Ukrainian politicians, officials and soldiers leaped to their president's defense.

"Ukraine is a sovereign state! Volodymyr Zelenskyy is the President of Ukraine. Legitimate until another is elected. Only Ukrainians can decide when and under what conditions they should change their government. Today, there are no such conditions," said Yulia Tymoshenko, former prime minister of Ukraine and leader of the mildly oppositional Motherland faction in the Ukrainian parliament, in a statement Wednesday."

www.politico.eu

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The Opposition Party in Ukraine tells Unkle Donald, to "F-off!".

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 04:56 PM | Reply

"Trump has a long, uneven history with Zelensky, having been impeached in 2019 for withholding arms shipments to Ukraine in an attempt to pressure the Ukrainian leader to open an investigation into his Democratic rival, Joe Biden."

www.bbc.com

Trump is holding a grudge and seeking revenge?

Naw, couldn't be.....

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-19 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A disinformation space of his own making.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-19 09:50 PM | Reply

@#1 ... We have a situation where we haven't had elections in Ukraine..." Trump told reporters ...

Healey compares Zelensky to Churchill with no wartime elections
www.hexham-courant.co.uk

... The Defence Secretary has compared Volodymyr Zelensky to Winston Churchill by not holding elections during war time, after Donald Trump reiterated his assertion that the Ukrainian leader was a "dictator". ...
[emphasis ttheirs]

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-20 03:40 PM | Reply

More from the article in #14

... Mr Healey said that he had seen Ukrainian leader Mr Zelensky's "commitment to his country".

He later added: "This was a man who, stuck in his country, led his country, and still does. He was elected.

"He's the elected leader of Ukraine, and he's done what Winston Churchill did in Britain in the Second World War, suspended elections while at war.

"And our job is to stand with the Ukrainians, support the Ukrainians, support them in their fight.

"And if they choose to talk, support them in the negotiations as well." ...


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-20 03:44 PM | Reply

The Delusionald Trump is ripe for the 25th.

#16 | Posted by FortNecessity at 2025-02-20 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


The Delusionald Trump is ripe for the 25th.
#16 | POSTED BY FORTNECESSITY

In your esteemed opinion was Biden ripened?

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 05:08 PM | Reply

Healey compares Zelensky to Churchill with no wartime elections

The difference is Parliament suspended elections, not Churchill, through the Prolongation of Parliament Act 1940-44. Which was renewed by voting in Parliament every 12 months.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-20 05:14 PM | Reply

IAMRUNT, your child-raping hero is compared to Chamberlain.

#19 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-20 05:16 PM | Reply

"What about Biden, Mommy!"

1Nut needs to expand his Rhetorical Repertoire.... you know, several miles.

Whataboutism:

"Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about ...?") is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense against the original accusation.

From a logical and argumentative point of view, whataboutism is considered a variant of the tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the ad-hominem argument.[1][2][3][4]"

en.wikipedia.org(as%20in,defense%20against%20the%20original%20accusation.

You know, instead of just wasting time and space around here with a quantum lack of brain matter.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-20 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Republicans struggle with unified response to Trump's plan for Ukraine peace talks
www.politico.com

... Lawmakers' reactions underscore the challenge Republicans face as they try to make sense of the administration's efforts to end the Ukraine war.

Republican lawmakers are grappling with an effective response to President Donald Trump's seeming readiness to bend to Russia's demands on Ukraine's future.

Their reactions -- which range from outright alarm to careful soft-pedaling -- signal the challenges GOP policymakers face as they try to make sense of the administration's actions and justify them to European allies.

The varied messages follow a call between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Trump on Wednesday about negotiating a deal on terms that sounded favorable to Moscow, and without looping Ukraine in until afterward. Trump also floated allowing Russia back into the G7 this week and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth told NATO members that Kyiv would need to face concessions " including the loss of its pre-war borders and long-sought NATO membership.

"People in the administration know you don't say before your first meeting what you will agree to and what you won't agree to," Senate Armed Services Chair Roger Wicker said in an interview with POLITICO at the Munich Security Conference. "Ukraine is entitled to the promises that the world made to it."

The Mississippi Republican said he was "disturbed" by Hegeth's demands and argued the Pentagon chief risked undercutting future negotiations. He and other defense hawks are confronting concerns at the annual gathering of defense leaders in Munich that the Trump administration is weakening an ally's hand in negotiations.

But some Republican lawmakers are taking a less confrontational tact.

"Me and even this administration have a lot of differences," Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), a co-chair of the Congressional Ukraine Caucus, said at the POLITICO Pub in Munich. "Ukraine is a hill I would die on because I think it is so existential that we get this right. So I'm taking the approach that we get more bees with honey." ...


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-02-20 05:53 PM | Reply

What a disgrace! After post-Soviet Russia was welcomed into the G7, making it the G8, Russia had a chance to join the world of democracies and market-driven economies. But then, after Yeltsin's retirement, Putin rose to power and soon after his KGB buddies became leaders of Russia's industry and Orthodox Church. What happened next is as expected. Private ownership by former KGB officers meant that these industries were no longer public nor open to private investors. Nor were the owners free from government influence. Their owners existed only with the consent of the leader, essentially helping Russia develop into a fascist state, where corporations support the single leader and his objectives. If these "oligarchs" would defy their leader (Putin), a ticked off Putin could lead to an "accidental" window fall that might likely kill you.

It's beyond any US veteran's comprehension that Russia could be considered the good guy. With Putin in power for the past 22 years, he's neither someone who shares the West's values of plural governance or polity, nor the morality of any modern nation. Instead Putin believes in government that obeys the dictates of a single "leader" whose institutions supporting him broach no dissent, nor any bad press. He also believes that industry has to follow his desires and the leaders of industry have to operate with the supreme leader's consent.

So, Putin's Russia has become a fascist kleptocracy -- a sham-democracy, nearly fully separated its predecessor, a semi-fascist "communist" Soviet Union. As early as 2008, Putin told then-President George W Bush that "Ukraine is not a country". Since then, Putin has asserted that there is no such thing as a Ukrainian people separate from Russia.

"These claims were designed to deny the existence and agency of the Ukrainian nation," Erik Herron, a West Virginia University political scientist and author of the book Elections and Democracy after Communism, told PolitiFact in 2022.

Yet, the history of Ukraine has involved several empires or states, some of which were entirely separate from Russia, Eugene Finkel, an associate professor with Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, told PolitiFact on the eve of the war.

Putin set the table for the 2022 invasion with a 5,000-word essay in July 2021. In it, he argued that much of modern-day Ukraine occupies historically Russian lands and that "Russia was robbed" of them. Putin's essay blamed the conflict on the West, claiming that the protest-driven ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014, an ally of Russia, was engineered from the outside and that the Ukrainian government elected in 2014 was illegitimate.

#22 | Posted by Augustine at 2025-02-20 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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