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Wednesday, April 10, 2024

Shortly after Arizona's high court ruled that the state must go back to the 1864 abortion law which forbids virtually every abortion, Kari Lake, probable GOP senate nominee released a remarkable statement. She first denounced the 1864 law, which she said she supported as recently as last fall.

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So let's review. Lake opposes the law she had consistently said she supported. She denounces the court decision which ruled that the old law is in effect. She thinks the decision should be left to the states. She also opposes abortion. Also, Arizona is a state.

She also wants Governor Hobbs to solve the situation. Which would presumably mean making abortion legal. Even though Lake opposes abortion.

She then comes very close to saying that abortion is a very personal issue that should be left to a state and her doctor. No really. I'm not kidding. Here's the exact quote: "this is a very personal issue that should be determined by each individual state and her people."

Josh Marshall

"this is a very personal issue that should be determined by each individual state and her people."
FTFY

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-10 12:06 AM | Reply

imo, Ms Lake is looking quite desperate in the wake of the utterances of fmr Pres Trump.

Can you say, "back-pedaling?" I knew you could.

But that's just me. ...

(apologies for channeling Mr. Rogers....)



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-10 12:07 AM | Reply

&nsp

@#1 ... So let's review. Lake opposes the law she had consistently said she supported. ...

Yeah, it is at the point where you cannot make this stuff up unless, that is, you may be "lies R us" FoxNews.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-10 12:10 AM | Reply

#2

I don't think that she can "backpedal" from her very well thought out and articulated views published today. Here's my extended take on why putting the immediate focus on her former statements instead of embracing today's advocacy isn't playing the long game correctly, and it discounts the reality that she's intentionally and loudly placed herself in opposition to the GOP evangelical base:

I think that critics are making the wrong argument today about Kari Lake essentially "coming out" as a women's pro choice advocate. The rush to focus on her past statements proclaiming her bonafides as an anti-abortion proponent is missing the larger - and in my opinion, far more impactful - aspects of what she did today. My belief is that her statements today actually reflect the "real" Kari Lake, former news anchor and mother of a daughter as well as a son.

Democrats should have rushed to embrace Lake's pro choice advocacy today, not spend the moment trying to play "gotcha." We can't forget two very salient points here. One, Lake is on the correct side of the very important issue for all women in Arizona. Her call for defacto "choice" goes against the orthodoxy of today's GOP and most of MAGA. Why would a Trump-aligned candidate take a hard stance against the GOP's North Star raison d'etre'? It wouldn't be to positively gin up her base for this is likely to do just the opposite.

And secondly, Lake will be excoriated by the very powerful and vocal anti-abortion factions and groups within the GOP and her fundraising pool just got a lot smaller than it was before today.

I just don't see today's announcement as one of cynical opportunity, ala Trump. If feels like the real world feelings - and now political stance - taken by a woman whose entire career wouldn't have happened had she not been in control of her own reproductive and health decisions, and one that most certainly wants her daughter's decisions to be her own and not anything dictated by an 1864 law written by men before women in the Arizona territory had any voting or political rights.

Politically, Democrats should first let the right cannibalize itself over a MAGA-aligned, high profile Republican woman running for U.S. Senate in an important swing state basically declaring herself a pro-choice advocate without trying to overplay the hypocrisy card. Moderate AZ women who aren't knowledgeable about politics are likely far more interested in Lake announcing herself a partner in making sure they retain bodily choice and reproductive autonomy more than they'll be moved by a Democratic man hyperventilating over a GOP woman publicly changing her mind and placing herself on the correct side of a monumentally important woman's autonomy issue now under imminent threat from a vestige emblematic of 19th Century white male dominance and supremacy.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-10 12:15 AM | Reply

Kari Fake is a F-R-A-U-D

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-04-10 12:17 AM | Reply

#4. Tony Roma, that is a reasoned and lucid take, regardless of where one falls on the issue of abortion in general and/or Kari Lake in particular.

Newsworthy flag.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-10 12:24 AM | Reply

@#4 ... I don't think that she can "backpedal" from her very well thought out and articulated views published today. ...

OK, two thoughts pop into my mind...

1) your comment is wrong. She can backpedal all she wants. Whether or not she may succeed at that back-edaling is up to the voters in AZ.

2) I forgot my second thought. :)

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-10 12:24 AM | Reply

"Politically, Democrats should first let the right cannibalize itself over a MAGA-aligned, high profile Republican woman running for U.S. Senate in an important swing state basically declaring herself a pro-choice advocate without trying to overplay the hypocrisy card."

It's a start and now Trump has a dilemma: should he run to Lake's defense on this issue and put himself at odds with the Arizona Freedom caucus?:

State Freedom Caucus Network
@SFC_Network
Unlike some Republicans, State Freedom Caucuses never back down on the issue of life


Arizona Freedom Caucus
@AZFreedomCaucus

STATEMENT ON ARIZONA SUPREME COURT'S PRO-LIFE RULING

Today, the Supreme Court of Arizona made the correct ruling, upheld the intent of the legislature, and preserved the rule of law today by ruling that the pre-Roe law will remain effective.

Protecting the lives of Arizona's most vulnerable children is not a political football to be kicked around for partisan gain as Democrats so eagerly do. Make no mistake, Democrats' advocacy for ripping children apart, limb by limb, in the womb is cruel, inhumane, and a dark stain on these pages in our future history books. Disgustingly, Democrats are ruthlessly committed to allowing unlimited abortions in Arizona, even up until the moment of full term delivery, as is the case with their current abortions on demand' ballot initiative.

Conservative Republicans have led for decades in Arizona to protect life, support women, and afford vulnerable Arizona moms and families a safety net when they need a helping hand. We will continue to fight for these priorities; however, we will not compromise on the core value of cherishing and protecting life.

As Republicans, we should be proud of the fact that today the lives of the preborn are more protected than they have been since SCOTUS' fatally flawed Roe decision more than a half century ago. As Republicans, we should be unashamed in proclaiming the value of life.

Sadly, it seems that some are choosing to reject the fundamental, core principle of protecting life. Some have chosen instead to jump on the bandwagon to legalize unrestricted abortions for the first 15 weeks of pregnancy " a position that would permit 95% of all existing abortions to continue. This is unacceptable, morally wrong, and abrasively out of step with the central tenants of the Republican Party Platform and Republican voters.

Murdering children is not a policy disagreement. Democrat politicians' infatuation with murdering children is evil. The @AZFreedomCaucus refuses to participate in, or sit idly by in the face of, that evil.

twitter.com

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-10 12:40 AM | Reply

@#8 ... Unlike some Republicans, State Freedom Caucuses never back down on the issue of life ...

The issue of life.

The issue of life?

What, precisely, is the issue of life?


I see so many comments referring to that concept, but I also see various interpretations of what, just what, exactly it means.


Anyone?



#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-10 12:57 AM | Reply

What, precisely, is the issue of life?

I can't tell you what it is, but I can tell you what it isn't. "Life" should encompass 'from womb to tomb,' not just the possible gestation of a fertilized embryo. If one wants to protect "life" then they would advocate states insuring that children born to less than successful parents have continuous access to comprehensive food and health support without any public shame, e.g., it takes a village ....

It also means taking a realistic view of the issue instead of trying to paint it as a hysterical, hair-on-fire act which occurs naturally far more than is publicly understood. According to medical researchers as many as 40+% of fertilized eggs miscarry or abort themselves naturally, probably due to nature's own built-in propensity for self-correction of non-viable embryos. Anti-abortion laws make no distinction in this area in regards to nature's own hand in abortion, holding individual women responsible for what their bodies do independently from their conscious control.

The viewpoints expressed by those in agreement with what's posted in #8 aren't people obsessed with the protection of all human life, they're only obsessed with controlling every woman through laws enshrined to control their personal rights and autonomy up to the moment the baby leaves the womb. After that, they don't support any universal safety net to protect and nuture that child's right to grow up well-fed and healthy - as has been shown by so many GOP governors refusing to allow their state's children to participate in the federal government's summer nutrition assistance program. This is simply a pro-birth ethos couched in their own religious beliefs that have no right usurping the secular and religious beliefs of others that human life does not begin at conception, it begins at the point the fetus is independently viable to survive outside its mother/host. Up until that point, the embryo is a multiplying group of cells that may have the potentiality of independent life but don't at that moment in gestation.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-10 07:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

...doesn't ...

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-10 07:28 AM | Reply

Why this is so important on the national level:

All abortion politics are national, not local. Abortion developments - new laws, new restrictions, new stories of women caught up in heart-wrenching and sometimes life-threatening decisions - are no longer confined to the geography where they take place. They are instantly part of the larger debate.

That has been true ever since the Supreme Court, in its 2022 ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, ended the constitutional right to abortion, which had existed for half a century. That decision, which overturned the 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade, provided a long-sought victory to abortion opponents, and they have since helped enact highly restrictive laws in states where Republicans control legislatures and the governor's offices.

Politically, however, Republicans have paid a high price. Time after time, in red states and blue states alike, in both votes to install abortion rights into state constitutions and political campaigns waged around the issue of freedom of choice, Democrats have consistently won, often by significant margins.

www.washingtonpost.com

This is the bullet Kari Lake is trying to dodge. Good luck with that.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-10 11:53 AM | Reply

Got to be careful here.

KKKari knows what she is doing. Demanding the Gov and legislature come up with "common sense" legislation.

Common sense is to let women make their own decisions regarding their bodies. Period.

No matter what the legislation is proposed, KKKari will scream and holler that it is not enough. She is that fkking crazy.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-10 01:27 PM | Reply

Karen Lake, being a MAGAt, is of course going to lie and say anything she thinks will work.

Narrator: It won't work.

#14 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-04-10 08:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the current GOP strategy ... use legislation to ban abortion, then go out and pretend you are upset. Then, when it comes time to ratify the legislation, claim there was only one thing to do, so suck it ...

#15 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-04-11 01:38 PM | Reply

@#10 ... The viewpoints expressed by those in agreement with what's posted in #8 aren't people obsessed with the protection of all human life, they're only obsessed with controlling every woman through laws enshrined to control their personal rights and autonomy up to the moment the baby leaves the womb. ...

Yup.

It is about controlling women.

If the Republicans succeed in their quest for a nationwide ban on all abortion, then I suspect their next target will be women's right to vote.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 01:45 PM | Reply

"This is unacceptable, morally wrong, and abrasively out of step with the central tenants of the Republican Party Platform and Republican voters."

"tenants"

JFC these people are idiots.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-11 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#17 ... "tenants" ...

It's still up on X.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-11 02:57 PM | Reply

It's still up on X.

Don't forget, Trump and his acolytes "love" the poorly educated. Lake is just virtue signalling to the tribe.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-11 03:07 PM | Reply

@#15 ... This is the current GOP strategy ... use legislation to ban abortion, then go out and pretend you are upset. Then, when it comes time to ratify the legislation, claim there was only one thing to do, so suck it ... ...

If I may summarize your comment...

The Republicans try to distance themselves from the lies that they have supported, but apparently want to pass bills supporting those lies anyway.

Can you say Kari Lake?

I knew you could.



#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-12 01:31 AM | Reply

Tubes - What Do You Want From Life (1974)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt...

genius.com

...
What do you want from life?
To kidnap an heiress
Or threaten her with a knife?
What do you want from life?
To get cable TV
And watch it every night?

There you sit, a
Lump in your chair
Where do you sleep
And what do you wear
When you're sleeping

What do you want from life?
An Indian guru
To show you the inner light?
What do you want from life?
A meaningless love affair
With a girl that you met tonight?

How can you tell when you're doin' alright?
Does your bank account swell
While you're dreaming at night?
How do you know when you're really in love?
Do violins play when you're touching the one
That you're loving?
...


... To get cable TV ..

Wow.

That dates this song.

But the question asked is still a valid one...

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-12 01:38 AM | Reply

Well, given her usual demeanor, I assume (until evidence to suggest otherwise comes along) that she's just aligning with Trump.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-12 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, given her usual demeanor, I assume (until evidence to suggest otherwise comes along) that she's just aligning with Trump.

#22 | POSTED BY JPW

Big worm aligning with the larger one, yes.

Liars and hypocrites doubling down on lies and hypocrisy because they want to win.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-12 10:14 AM | Reply

"I'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. I believe it's ARS 13-3603," she said in a 2022 interview on "The Conservative Circus With James T. Harris."

She was so happy about this law she had the laws number memorized. Who memorizes a laws actual number?

For all you hackers out there ... It is also probably the PIN number for her bank account and iPhone!!

How else could she spout it from memory?

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-12 01:06 PM | Reply

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