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Friday, April 26, 2024

From the outset, Justice Alito, along with several other conservatives on the bench, was highly skeptical of the government's indictment of former President Donald Trump for his role in fomenting the Jan. 6 insurrection, going so far as to suggest not only that Trump may be immune from prosecution but also that the federal fraud conspiracy law he is charged with violating may not be valid, either.

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Of all the scum on the face of the earth, Justice Alito can't help to make Donald Trump king. They don't even have kings like that in England any more, but what the hell.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2024-04-25 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The justice was especially concerned with the idea that former presidents would be targeted for political prosecution by their rivals. When the government's lawyer, Michael Dreeben, argued that prosecutors don't always get grand juries to agree to indictments, Alito responded, "Every once in a while there's an eclipse too."

The risk of such prosecutions poses the biggest threat, Alito suggested: "If an incumbent who loses a very close, hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving office is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement, but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent, will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy?"

As Dreeben correctly responded, that is the literal inversion of the Jan. 6 case, which involves a defeated former president who, after pursuing several legal avenues to challenge the outcome and losing all of them, chose very clearly not to "go off into a peaceful retirement," but rather tried to overturn the election by illegal and unconstitutional means that resulted in a violent attack on Congress.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor was also perplexed by Alito's upside-down hypothetical, which actively avoided the facts of the case before the court. "A stable democratic society needs the good faith of its public officials, correct?" she asked, adding that the crimes Trump is charged with committing "are the antithesis of democracy" and that his immunity argument cast doubt on the principle "that no man is above the law, either in his official or private acts."

Today confirms that the conservative justices sitting on the Supreme Court are more than comfortable with the crimes Donald Trump committed while in office in order to illegally stay in office. Remember when these same justices bellowed from high that it was not their job to legislate from the bench or to guess at intent, their job was to deal with the facts of the cases brought before them as dictated by the laws enumerated within the Constitution? Well, that appears to have gone by the boards if Alito's juxtaposition of reality serves as the basis to find a presidential immunity no one ever quantified or even imagined until Trump came along and undertook activities no other US President ever did.

The question the SCOTUS was engaged to answer today was whether a President has "absolute immunity" for any and all acts undertaken while in office. Now that has morphed into the non-asked argument as to whether criminal laws need to specifically include the President as prosecutable if charged with violations of them.

It is clear as day that the right wing is actively delegitimizing historical constitutional checks and balances, heretofore thought to apply to every single American equally without fault or favor in support of the most corrupt, anti-liberal (small L), criminal President to ever sully the White House and Oval Office. Trump is everything our Founders tried to anticipate and created various means to thwart and remove from public service, understanding centuries ago that a popular demagogic leader could emerge and attempt to consolidate authoritarian power not unlike the King they fought a war of independence to escape from.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-25 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Conservatism has always been a joke.

I guess we ought to be thanking Alito for explaining the joke to us.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 05:35 PM | Reply

Lumpy Thomas laid the ground work for the cancervaturd line of thinking that if the acts were "official" acts they cannot be illegal.

How the spouse of an insurrectionist can be allowed to judge this case signals just how corrupt this court is.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-26 08:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The line of reasoning that sh*tler's attempt to replace the AG with the person who had already drafted the illegal fake electors scheme in order to justify the illegal fake electors scheme is immune since it was an official act is ludicrous.

This corrupt court will rule to allow presidents to commit criminal acts so long as it is vaguely part of their duties.

This nation is fkkked

#5 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-04-26 08:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Right = because we said so. Not laws. Not balance. Even aligning with the founding fathers is a joke.

#6 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-04-26 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alito is brain damaged.

I would like to see et al defend Alito's "Legal Reasoning" that is neither legal nor reasoning. You know he wants to.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-04-26 12:01 PM | Reply

" I would like to see et al defend Alito's "Legal Reasoning""

Heck, I just want him to walk us through his epiphany between statements at his hearing and "egregiously" "from the start".

Tell us, Sam. Describing the exact moment of your enlightenment.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-26 12:07 PM | Reply

This nation is fkkked

#5 | POSTED BY NIXON

This is the old "if the President does it then it's not illegal" BS.

Remember this blast from the past?

Frost asked Nixon whether the president could do something illegal in certain situations such as against antiwar groups and others if he decides "it's in the best interests of the nation or something". Nixon replied: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal", by definition.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-26 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Could President Biden shoot Trump and not be charged?

Sounds like he could. But then what would the SCOTUS say?

Him being a Democrat and all.

Would they find an "Only Republicans are Above the Law clause"?

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-26 12:38 PM | Reply

I am failing to see their reasoning. I guess to follow it to the ultimate act, they are saying if there were an extrajudicial killing of an ex-President ordered by his replacement the new President would be immune from prosecution because it was an official act? I mean that IS kind of what they are saying.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-26 01:15 PM | Reply

I also guess I have to say this was not an official act of a President. This was an act of a thug trying to overthrow an election.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-26 01:16 PM | Reply

" that IS kind of what they are saying."

Yep. They're invoking Nixon.

Should we remind them how THAT ended?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-04-26 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I said in January 2021 that Biden should arrest ------- and throw him in Gitmo with a bunch of his compadres and dare the republicans to do something about it. This SC would have approved that action.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-26 01:52 PM | Reply

Oh--this is a limited offer. It does not apply to anyone associated with the Biden and Obama administrations, nor does it apply to anyone named 'Clinton'...
-Sammy "I'm in the bag for The Orange King' Alito

#15 | Posted by catdog at 2024-04-26 02:00 PM | Reply

No they wouldn't, it's only Republicans that are above the law.

This is selective, not universal corruption of our freedoms and the norms of society.

Would the Reichstag have given the communists Carte Blanche?

America is goin' down.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-26 02:00 PM | Reply

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This ruling will get punted till after the November elections.

The conservative justice six will either rule Sleepy Don is immune from the law, or Dark Brandon is not immune from the law.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-26 02:02 PM | Reply

"No they wouldn't, it's only Republicans that are above the law."

Not just any Republicans.

Just those who support Trump.

And maybe not even that. Maybe just Trump himself.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-26 02:13 PM | Reply

The supreme conservative six should just rule Trump is immune from the law.

That's pretty much what this is all about.

Allowing Trump to get away with what no one else would be able to.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-26 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ein Land, Ein Volk, EIN FUHRER!

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-26 02:21 PM | Reply

Adam Serwer nails it:

As with the Colorado ballot-access case earlier this year, in which the justices prevented Trump from being thrown off the ballot in accordance with the Constitution's ban on insurrectionists holding office, the justices' positions rest on a denial of the singularity of Trump's actions.

No previous president has sought to overthrow the Constitution by staying in power after losing an election. Trump is the only one, which is why these questions are being raised now. Pretending that these matters concern the powers of the presidency more broadly is merely the path the justices sympathetic to Trump have chosen to take in order to rationalize protecting the man they would prefer to be the next president. What the justices - and other Republican loyalists - are loath to acknowledge is that Trump is not being uniquely persecuted; he is uniquely criminal.

This case - even more than the Colorado ballot-eligibility case - unites the right-wing justices' political and ideological interests with Trump's own. One way or another, they will have to choose between Trumpism and democracy. They've given the public little reason to believe that they will choose any differently than the majority of their colleagues in the Republican Party.

www.theatlantic.com

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-04-26 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sounds like Biden is free to arrest some justices for dereliction of duties and throw orange sheet rag in gitmo as an enemy of the state and designate him as a terrorist.

#22 | Posted by 2020Rocks at 2024-04-27 09:51 AM | Reply

Only the conservative ones...according to conservatives.

#23 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-27 11:33 PM | Reply

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