Jeff is ok with sticking botox in some pre teen's forehead so she can win a beauty contest, but has major ethical problems with a teen receiving hormone therapy to allow them to feel like their bodies match their identity.

Of course, jeff is a pedo so there is that

Yes, some child beauty pageant contestants undergo cosmetic procedures, although this is generally rare and often involves non-surgical enhancements rather than permanent surgical operations.

Again

Breast augmentation to win a teen beauty contest is fine and dandy

Breast augmentation to make a trans girl feel like her body matches her identify is .."...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."

Seems far more likely that the generic teen beauty contest performer was pressured into that life by their parents while a trans minor has to fight all sorts of societal obstacles to get that care

You are talking about mitigating the healthy bodies of minors.

#112 | Posted by BellRinger a

You're babbling incoherent hate

Nope. I'm saying if a gender confused boy's body is producing extremely low levels of testosterone which is impairing physical development a supplement is treated no different than for a non gender confused boy.

#111 | Posted by BellRinger

I am clear on what you are saying

the EXACT SAME PROCEDURE cannot be performed on a trans minor that can be performed on a trans minor. the underlying condition warranting that procedure is immaterial.

Of course Rogaine is not medically recommended for minors and we are talking about minors.

#106 | Posted by BellRinger

Once again,

WRONG

Off-Label Medical Use: In rare cases, dermatologists may prescribe minoxidil "off-label" to treat pediatric hair disorders like alopecia areata. This must be done under strict professional supervision to monitor for side effects.

to be clear breast augmentation to win a teen beauty contest is fine and dandy

breast augmentation to make a trans girl feel like her body matches her identify is .."...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."

Where is all of your outrage for the 260,000 cosmetic procedures done on minors with NO MEDICAL NECESSITY?

But to alleviate the pain of a trans minor those procedures are "...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."?

One thing is clear allowing jeff to further discuss this issue once again proves how much of a hateful bigot he is.

Breast reduction to alleviate health problems that come with an excessively sized rack is completely different than lopping them off.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger

So if a trans minor would like breast reduction and not a total mastectomy, you would be ok with that?

WHere is the line when breast reduction becomes "...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."?

Those are distinct physical conditions.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger

So, you are saying a trans minor cannot receive THE EXACT SAME PROCEDURE because..."...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."

Yes, a cisgender minor can receive hormone replacement therapy (HRT) or similar hormone-related medical treatments, but it is highly specialized and dependent on the medical necessity, such as treating conditions like precocious puberty (early puberty) or hormone deficiencies.

Key aspects of body alterations in cis minors include:
Cosmetic Surgery & Aesthetic Procedures: There is an increasing interest and prevalence in cosmetic surgery among cisgender participants aged 12"21. In the U.S., over 260,000 cosmetic procedures were performed on individuals 19 and under in 2023, representing a 7% increase from 2022.

Common Procedures:
Breast Reduction: This is a common procedure for cisgender male teens dealing with gynecomastia (enlarged breast tissue).
Breast Augmentation: Performed on cisgender females.
Rhinoplasty (Nose jobs) and other aesthetic procedures.

Seems to me a cis minor can get all of the gender affirming care they want, permanently altering the bodies in all sorts of ways

Rogaine is gender affirming care for men, can we agree on that?

#89 | Posted by snoofy

So are nose jobs

HRT is typically used for women dealing with menopause issues. You know, adults.

#91 | Posted by BellRinger

Wrong

HRT can be used to delay puberty or to supply estrogen or testosterone for minors with low levels

A trans minor needs the procedure for a different purpose

Why is the exact same procedure when provided to cis minors you don't see that as "...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."

Yes, a cisgender (cis) minor can receive hormone replacement therapy (HRT), but it is used to treat specific medical conditions, not for gender transition. While "hormone replacement therapy" is often associated with gender-affirming care for trans youth, the same medications are used for cisgender children with hormonal imbalances or conditions like precocious puberty

Why can a cis minor receive HRT but a trans minor cannot?

The exact same procedure is provided to cis yet you don't see that as "...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."

We are talking about minors who are not capable of informed consent being given permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel.

#84 | Posted by BellRinger

The exact same procedure is provided to cis yet you don't see that as "...permanent life altering medical procedures with serious potential health issues resulting from said procedures. This is barbaric and cruel."

the only one barbaric and cruel is the lying piece of ----

Yes, a cisgender minor can get breast reduction surgery (sometimes called reduction mammaplasty), and it is a common procedure for teenagers experiencing pain or discomfort. While often associated with gender-affirming care, the vast majority of breast reductions in minors are performed on cisgender adolescents, frequently starting at ages 12"16.

Again, a cis gender minor can get this surgery for backpain. A transgender minor cannot get this for gender identity

Again, you are a liar.

" passed bans on best-practice medication and surgical care for minors. These bans often make it a felony to provide such care."
That applies to ALL minors and there is nothing "routine" about puberty blockers, chemical castration and surgical mutilation of minors.

#80 | Posted by BellRinger a

Wrong lying piece of ----

Yes, a cisgender minor can get breast reduction surgery (sometimes called reduction mammaplasty), and it is a common procedure for teenagers experiencing pain or discomfort. While often associated with gender-affirming care, the vast majority of breast reductions in minors are performed on cisgender adolescents, frequently starting at ages 12"16.

You're just a liar

This has been pointed out to you numerous times

Yet you lie

Poorly

cause you are a lying piece of ---- that no one respects

you are a bitch

Looks like jeff is lying again

As of early 2026, access to gender-affirming care (GAC) for transgender youth is heavily restricted in the United States, with over 25 states having passed bans on best-practice medication and surgical care for minors. These bans often make it a felony to provide such care.

Cisgender people rarely face systemic denial of routine care, such as hormone therapy, surgeries (breast augmentation, gynecomastia removal), or reproductive services, which are often classified as "medically necessary" for them but deemed "elective" or restricted for transgender people. Transgender individuals frequently face discrimination, lack of provider knowledge, and insurance exclusions for the same treatments

It is a felony to provide GAC for trans youth but the same procedures are regularly provided to cis youth

You were caught lying

Again

My point flew over your bigoted head.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger a

Your point, as always is to troll with hateful ---- you pathetic weasel

Trans people can't get the exact same healthcare that cis people get

Maybe we need more LGBTQ+ days

" There are over 35 significant LGBTQ+ pride and awareness days, weeks, and months observed annually ... "

You're just jealous there is only 1 stupid lying ----- day aka Piggy's birthday