All those ------- liberals on here saying that Americans won't do those jobs are proven 100% wrong, AGAIN. Also, you can see from this raid that blaming the employer is not the solution as they are using the government programs that are designed to be easy for illegals to circumvent.

Trump is doing what needed to be done for 30 years - he closed the border and is ridding the country of the illegals that cost WAY WAY more than what they contribute in unskilled labor.

There is between 1M-4M undocumented children in the US K-12 public schools. That costs the nation between $18B and $75B in spending on their education alone - throw in the health care and law enforcement and they are a giant sinkhole in the economy.

Lastly, and my biggest reason for 100% deporting 100% of the illegals - THEY SUPPRESS WAGES. We have people out of the workforce and working poor BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGALS. Flooding the job market with millions of unskilled illegals hurts the most vulnerable Americans.

"Won't stop yer bois from ICE from putting the boot to their necks...
#3 | Posted by Angrydad"

We can only hope. The faster they are gone, the faster we get American wages up and people off of welfare.

"Increasing the costs will increase the price."

Labor costs go up a bit but are offset by rapidly declining energy prices. Meanwhile, rent prices decrease as 10M illegals are kicked out of the country and we save hundreds of billions on welfare, public schools, law enforcement, etc. So, prices will go DOWN.

"And deporting field workers will create shortages, causing edible produce to rot in the fields."
#5 | Posted by Danforth"

If the farmer was wholly reliant on illegals to harvest their crops, they deserve to go bankrupt. Your logic is akin to saying that we cannot arrest drug dealers because it would hurt the new car market.

"#7 | Posted by Danforth"

Nope - I want 100% deported. Literally every other industrialized nation on earth is able to figure this out except for the US because American workers are screwed over by big corporations and Democrats (now, they are the same thing). We can have a legal work permit program for foreign workers which denies birthright citizenship and forbids their kids from using the public schools and other public services.

"Wholly?!? Once again, you're using 100% and you're wrong. A 25% reduction could be the difference between profit and loss. A 50% reduction would almost guarantee rotting crops.
#10 | Posted by Danforth"

If the farmer had 25-50% of illegals working, again, they deserve to go bankrupt. Their use of illegal labor has distorted market prices. This impacts the farmers that do things the right way and also stunts automation. While the farmer makes profit, society losses BILLIONS. Yes, I am willing to pay $0.50 more for my lettuce if it means the public school decline stops and we can afford medical care for poor Americans.

Let's bring some actual math to this discuss - basically, liberal talkpoint Kryptonite:

The average strawberry picker can pick between 80-120 pounds of strawberries per hour.
The average strawberry picker wage in California is $16.71/hour.
That means the labor cost for strawberries is between $0.14 and $0.20 per pound.

The average price per pound of strawberries in the US is between $3-$4/pound.
That means the picker labor component as a % of the strawberry price is between 3.5% - 7.0%.

If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour and the grocery stores and farmers passed on 100% of the labor cost to customers, the cost of strawberries would increase to $3.20 - $4.14 per pound.

If we cannot get Americans to pick strawberries for $33.42/hour - an annualized wage of $69,500 (assuming no overtime or weekends) - then we can start to bring in guest workers with the conditions that I mentioned above. However, if we cannot get Americans at that price, it is due to having too good of a welfare state.

"Medical care for poor Americans is OVER."

Ever get tired of lying?

"The new BBB is going to cut hundreds of billions from Medicaid.
#14 | Posted by Danforth"

Get rid of fraud and abuse and medicaid costs go down. Stop providing care to children of illegals, and costs go down. Stop illegals from suppressing US wages and there are less poor people needing medicaid.

The only thing Americans have said goodbye to are emergency rooms in the US as the flood of illegals are bankrupted the business. A big reason why US medical care is so unaffordable for the middle class is the illegals directly using emergency services vs. standard hospital care.

""Yes, I am willing to pay $0.50 more for my lettuce"
You're an idiot if you think that's all it's going to cost. Stop using Republican Math.
#14 | Posted by Danforth"

I have provided the math on strawberries - show me your math on lettuce -------. Prove me wrong. How much is the cost of lettuce going to increase?

"Where are the billions of Payroll taxes paid into the system?
#20 | Posted by Danforth"

The estimated $30B they contribute? That is a drop in the bucket compared to the K-12 school costs alone. California spend ~$4B on illegals medicaid last year - how much do you think the total spend was nationwide?

Illegals are a net drag on the economy and it is not even close - and this is before you take into account the societal costs such as suppressing wages for US workers and turning the public schools into failure factories.

"#23 | Posted by REDIAL"

Well, when you cannot argue with actual math or logic, you can just continue to post as you have been. BTW, I think Canada is starting to kick out the -------------- on expiring visas. First logical thing Mexico North has done in years.

As you ------- are too stupid and/or scared to post the number for lettuce:

The average lettuce picker can pick 800 pounds of lettuce per hour (machine assisted with mix of iceberg and romaine).
The average lettuce picker wage in California is $16.71/hour.
That means the labor cost for lettuce is $0.02 per pound.

The average price per pound of lettuce in the US is between $1.3-$3/pound.
That means the picker labor component as a % of the lettuce price is between 0.7% - 1.4%.

If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour and the grocery stores and farmers passed on 100% of the labor cost to customers, the cost of lettuce would increase to $1.52 - $3.02 per pound.

So there you have it - a grand total of $0.02/lb of lettuce and we can be illegal alien free. I 100% support that.

"There's ample evidence to back that up.
#25 | Posted by LauraMohr"

There are no communities thriving with illegals in the US. ----, there aren't even thriving communities within their own home countries - which is why they come here illegally and drag down our economy.

"Regardless, you left it out of the equation, meaning you're either a math moron or a gaslighter.
#28 | Posted by Danforth"

I didn't include it because I just touched on a few of the items. Nowhere did I say it was a comprehensive list - that is something you are adding now because you lose every argument you have with me, so it is easier for you to make ---- up and claim victory.

It is estimated that illegals suppress US wages by $80-$120B annually - and that was based on 2016 when the number of illegals was much lower.

Even for our native (non-illegal) Hispanics in the US, their net lifetime contribution is -$86,847 per household - the illegals drain way, way more than that.

"If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour "
And who is going to drive to the growing fields every day to harvest?"

If Americans are unwilling to work for $70,000 harvesting crops (which I don't think will be the case), then the case for automation just becomes greater and the need for labor is reduced. Even in the case of lettuce pickers - the semi-automated process doubles the output per worker. So, increase automation and labor needs are greatly reduced so even if you cannot replace workers 1:1 at $33.42/hour, it does not matter because the need is less.

Second, if the above proves impossible - which is won't - you use guest worker programs with limited rights (like no birthright citizenship for their kids or access to public schools). You know Germany grows lettuce too - right? They get Eastern Europeans to pick it for 12 Euro/hour. ----, we could probably import white German citizen to pick in California for $33.42/hour.

"Every equation you reference is employing fantasy: American workers WILL show up
#31 | Posted by Danforth"

As proven in the article linked - THEY DO! What part of that don't you understand? If some ------- lazy deepblue -------- dweller wants welfare because they refuse to move/work for $33.42/hour - they can starve on the street.

"#32 | Posted by Danforth"

Well, I give you credit for at least taking off the mask now and dropping your prior line - "I want to control immigration by punishing the employers" - it is 100% clear that you want your brown slave labor regardless of how much it hurts working class Americans. Lettuce being $0.02/lb more is unacceptable to you even if you would save $3000+ in taxes supporting illegals and the displaced American workers. Talk about being a financial illiterate. You have outdone yourself this time.

This is why the Democrats are at 20% approval and Trump is winning on the immigration issue. Deport them all - you will thank us in 10 years when we don't need a welfare state any longer.

"Do tell us why this administration is not prosecuting businesses that are hiring the undocumented workers?
dynamichr.com
#37 | Posted by Nixon"

It is already answered in the article -------:

"Every employee at Glenn Valley Foods, including those who were detained by ICE, has been approved through E-Verify, Hartmann said. When he told this to DHS during the raid, an agency official described the system they operate as flawed and easy to cheat."

"All that requires is a living wage from Corporations.
#61 | Posted by Corky"

Which you get by kicking out the illegals that are suppressing US wages...try to keep up -------.

"My point is, and has always been, both sides attack the symptom"

Nope - your mask is off now -------. You want the illegals here and you don't considered them a problem at all. In your next sentence you prove that point for me.

"My answer is, and has always been, to accept and embrace reality: these folks are part of the fabric of America. I say treat them with dignity, and let them come out of the shadows. And DEFINITELY educate and vaccinate their kids.
#43 | Posted by Danforth"

So, you don't want to send them back and enforce immigration laws. I guess you can keep lying and say that you want enforcement as you lie about everything else but your words show your desire.

I don't want to educate or vaccinate their kids. I want their kids, and the parents, back in their home country. I don't want them out of the shadows - I want the threat of deportation to hang over their heads like the sword of Damocles so they self deport and others do not attempt to cross the border. This is how every other civilized country handles illegal immigrants and yet, their lettuce still gets picked. You Democrats and Globo-Homo has destroyed the US enough - we are finally fixing what you intentionally broke.

"#64 | Posted by Danforth"

Nope, they are ALL going back. No exceptions.

"#66 | Posted by Danforth"

They broke the law and should be treated like the criminals they are. The 'due process' nonsense you can shove back in your ass where you pulled it out from originally. YOU WANT THEM HERE. Just say it and stop trying to make nonsense arguments. You don't care about due process. You don't care about blaming the employers - YOU WANT THEM HERE.

"This country would totally collapse if that occurred. Just sayin
#68 | Posted by LauraMohr"

This country IS collapsing BECAUSE OF THEM. Not 100% because of them, but the permanent underclass of unskilled American workers is rapidly growing as public schools and government services collapse. The social cohesion of the US is evaporating as well.

Send 100% back - no exceptions.