How a City in Nebraska is Recovering after an Immigration Raid

Tuesday, June 17, 2025

Every seat in the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied with people filling out job applications early Thursday afternoon, two days after the meatpacking plant became the center of the largest worksite-immigration raid in the state of Nebraska so far this year.

Posted by ScottS at 02:30 PM | 268 COMMENTS | permalink

Trump curbs immigration enforcement at farms, meatpacking plants, hotels and restaurants

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-- Omaha World-Herald (@owhnews.bsky.social) Jun 14, 2025 at 5:02 PM

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SQUATS IS A ------- ------.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-06-16 08:04 PM

All those ------- liberals on here saying that Americans won't do those jobs are proven 100% wrong, AGAIN. Also, you can see from this raid that blaming the employer is not the solution as they are using the government programs that are designed to be easy for illegals to circumvent.

Trump is doing what needed to be done for 30 years - he closed the border and is ridding the country of the illegals that cost WAY WAY more than what they contribute in unskilled labor.

There is between 1M-4M undocumented children in the US K-12 public schools. That costs the nation between $18B and $75B in spending on their education alone - throw in the health care and law enforcement and they are a giant sinkhole in the economy.

Lastly, and my biggest reason for 100% deporting 100% of the illegals - THEY SUPPRESS WAGES. We have people out of the workforce and working poor BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGALS. Flooding the job market with millions of unskilled illegals hurts the most vulnerable Americans.

LOL!

Won't stop yer bois from ICE from putting the boot to their necks...

"Won't stop yer bois from ICE from putting the boot to their necks...
#3 | Posted by Angrydad"

We can only hope. The faster they are gone, the faster we get American wages up and people off of welfare.

"The faster they are gone, the faster we get American wages up"

Trump said he was going to bring prices DOWN. Are you saying Trump has been misleading the country?

Increasing the costs will increase the price. And deporting field workers will create shortages, causing edible produce to rot in the fields.

Is that Donnie's master plan???

Squats, as I've mentioned before, is ALMOST as much of a ------- retarded dumbass as that ---------- Ballwasher.

"100% deporting 100% of the illegals"

100%?!? In what world?

What percentage are the farm workers?
What percentage are the hotel workers?
What percentage work at restaurants?
What percentage are meatpacking plant workers?

You need to seriously downgrade your percentage, or start using asterisks.

"Increasing the costs will increase the price."

Labor costs go up a bit but are offset by rapidly declining energy prices. Meanwhile, rent prices decrease as 10M illegals are kicked out of the country and we save hundreds of billions on welfare, public schools, law enforcement, etc. So, prices will go DOWN.

"And deporting field workers will create shortages, causing edible produce to rot in the fields."
#5 | Posted by Danforth"

If the farmer was wholly reliant on illegals to harvest their crops, they deserve to go bankrupt. Your logic is akin to saying that we cannot arrest drug dealers because it would hurt the new car market.

"#7 | Posted by Danforth"

Nope - I want 100% deported. Literally every other industrialized nation on earth is able to figure this out except for the US because American workers are screwed over by big corporations and Democrats (now, they are the same thing). We can have a legal work permit program for foreign workers which denies birthright citizenship and forbids their kids from using the public schools and other public services.

"If the farmer was wholly reliant on illegals to harvest their crops, they deserve to go bankrupt."

Wholly?!? Once again, you're using 100% and you're wrong. A 25% reduction could be the difference between profit and loss. A 50% reduction would almost guarantee rotting crops.

"Wholly?!? Once again, you're using 100% and you're wrong. A 25% reduction could be the difference between profit and loss. A 50% reduction would almost guarantee rotting crops.
#10 | Posted by Danforth"

If the farmer had 25-50% of illegals working, again, they deserve to go bankrupt. Their use of illegal labor has distorted market prices. This impacts the farmers that do things the right way and also stunts automation. While the farmer makes profit, society losses BILLIONS. Yes, I am willing to pay $0.50 more for my lettuce if it means the public school decline stops and we can afford medical care for poor Americans.

"Labor costs go up a bit but are offset by rapidly declining energy prices. "

Why would energy prices rapidly decline? Espeically when more middle class workers are driving to the fields every day?!? Your math doesn't work out.

"...and forbids their kids from using the public schools and other public services."

Sorry, I'm completely against putting the sins of the parents onto the innocent kids. You'd have them ignorant and sick.

"If the farmer had 25-50% of illegals working, again, they deserve to go bankrupt"

Gee, only a 50%-75% change from your claim.

Thanks for admitting you're jerking around with math.

"Yes, I am willing to pay $0.50 more for my lettuce"

You're an idiot if you think that's all it's going to cost. Stop using Republican Math.

" if it means the public school decline stops and we can afford medical care for poor Americans."

You're joking, right? Medical care for poor Americans is OVER. The new BBB is going to cut hundreds of billions from Medicaid.

Bye bye, rural hospitals.

"...big corporations and Democrats (now, they are the same thing)"

You don't have to keep proving you're clueless.

Of course, that schmuck thinks immigrants drive down wages as opposed to companies incentivizing illegal immigration because they want exploitable cheap labor.

Blames the wrong people because it's easier to be a bigot than intellectually honest.

Let's bring some actual math to this discuss - basically, liberal talkpoint Kryptonite:

The average strawberry picker can pick between 80-120 pounds of strawberries per hour.
The average strawberry picker wage in California is $16.71/hour.
That means the labor cost for strawberries is between $0.14 and $0.20 per pound.

The average price per pound of strawberries in the US is between $3-$4/pound.
That means the picker labor component as a % of the strawberry price is between 3.5% - 7.0%.

If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour and the grocery stores and farmers passed on 100% of the labor cost to customers, the cost of strawberries would increase to $3.20 - $4.14 per pound.

If we cannot get Americans to pick strawberries for $33.42/hour - an annualized wage of $69,500 (assuming no overtime or weekends) - then we can start to bring in guest workers with the conditions that I mentioned above. However, if we cannot get Americans at that price, it is due to having too good of a welfare state.

www.npr.org

Nebraska is one of the top meat producers in the U.S. It also has one of the worst labor shortages in the country. For every 100 jobs, there are only 39 workers. A report released last January by the state's economic chamber says Nebraska has no choice but to welcome immigrants to, quote, "address the workforce gap." But that message runs counter to President-elect Trump's pledge to carry out mass deportations. NPR's Jasmine Garsd reports.

JASMINE GARSD, BYLINE: Every so often Al Juhnke, executive director of the Nebraska Pork Producers Association, says that he'll get a phone call from a farmer. It goes something like this.

AL JUHNKE: Al, I got a great idea.

GARSD: On how to solve Nebraska's severe labor shortage.

JUHNKE: Why don't we invite any immigrant - legal, illegal, I don't care - invite them to Nebraska, 'cause we have lots of openings out on our farm, and we need help.

GARSD: Juhnke says attracting labor is not about wages. The average pay for a meat trimmer is close to $18 an hour, well above the state minimum of 13.50.

JUHNKE: People say, well, just double or triple the pay. You'll get United States citizens to work. No, you won't.

GARSD: Nebraska needs immigrants. But Nebraskans overwhelmingly voted for incoming President Donald Trump, who has promised to carry out mass deportations. When asked about it, Juhnke echoes what a lot of people here say.

"Medical care for poor Americans is OVER."

Ever get tired of lying?

"The new BBB is going to cut hundreds of billions from Medicaid.
#14 | Posted by Danforth"

Get rid of fraud and abuse and medicaid costs go down. Stop providing care to children of illegals, and costs go down. Stop illegals from suppressing US wages and there are less poor people needing medicaid.

The only thing Americans have said goodbye to are emergency rooms in the US as the flood of illegals are bankrupted the business. A big reason why US medical care is so unaffordable for the middle class is the illegals directly using emergency services vs. standard hospital care.

" throw in the health care and law enforcement and they are a giant sinkhole in the economy."

That's only part of the equation.

Where are the billions of Payroll taxes paid into the system?

""Yes, I am willing to pay $0.50 more for my lettuce"
You're an idiot if you think that's all it's going to cost. Stop using Republican Math.
#14 | Posted by Danforth"

I have provided the math on strawberries - show me your math on lettuce -------. Prove me wrong. How much is the cost of lettuce going to increase?

"Where are the billions of Payroll taxes paid into the system?
#20 | Posted by Danforth"

The estimated $30B they contribute? That is a drop in the bucket compared to the K-12 school costs alone. California spend ~$4B on illegals medicaid last year - how much do you think the total spend was nationwide?

Illegals are a net drag on the economy and it is not even close - and this is before you take into account the societal costs such as suppressing wages for US workers and turning the public schools into failure factories.

I have provided the math on strawberries -

"The strawberries! Now that's where I had them!"

~ Queeg

"#23 | Posted by REDIAL"

Well, when you cannot argue with actual math or logic, you can just continue to post as you have been. BTW, I think Canada is starting to kick out the -------------- on expiring visas. First logical thing Mexico North has done in years.

Posted by ScottS at 2025-06-16 10:52 PM | Reply

Actually it's the opposite. They keep communities thriving. There's ample evidence to back that up.

As you ------- are too stupid and/or scared to post the number for lettuce:

The average lettuce picker can pick 800 pounds of lettuce per hour (machine assisted with mix of iceberg and romaine).
The average lettuce picker wage in California is $16.71/hour.
That means the labor cost for lettuce is $0.02 per pound.

The average price per pound of lettuce in the US is between $1.3-$3/pound.
That means the picker labor component as a % of the lettuce price is between 0.7% - 1.4%.

If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour and the grocery stores and farmers passed on 100% of the labor cost to customers, the cost of lettuce would increase to $1.52 - $3.02 per pound.

So there you have it - a grand total of $0.02/lb of lettuce and we can be illegal alien free. I 100% support that.

"There's ample evidence to back that up.
#25 | Posted by LauraMohr"

There are no communities thriving with illegals in the US. ----, there aren't even thriving communities within their own home countries - which is why they come here illegally and drag down our economy.

" The estimated $30B they contribute? That is a drop in the bucket"

Nonsense. It's a sizable percentage of your "drag" upthread.

Regardless, you left it out of the equation, meaning you're either a math moron or a gaslighter.

"Get rid of fraud and abuse and medicaid costs go down. "

You're talking about a single digit amount of WFA. You don't have a clue.

"Regardless, you left it out of the equation, meaning you're either a math moron or a gaslighter.
#28 | Posted by Danforth"

I didn't include it because I just touched on a few of the items. Nowhere did I say it was a comprehensive list - that is something you are adding now because you lose every argument you have with me, so it is easier for you to make ---- up and claim victory.

It is estimated that illegals suppress US wages by $80-$120B annually - and that was based on 2016 when the number of illegals was much lower.

Even for our native (non-illegal) Hispanics in the US, their net lifetime contribution is -$86,847 per household - the illegals drain way, way more than that.

"If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour "

And who is going to drive to the growing fields every day to harvest?

Every equation you reference is employing fantasy: American workers WILL show up, ALL the produce will get to market, NO disruptions whatsoever.

At this point, it's silly.

"I didn't include it because I just touched on a few of the items."

You gave a net drag, and didn't include BILLIONS in offsets. Intellectual dishonesty, when you're making that point.

"It is estimated that illegals suppress US wages by $80-$120B annually"

Meaning US consumers would be paying an additional $100B annually. Why do all your solutions result in inflationary actions?

" their net lifetime contribution is -$86,847 per household - the illegals drain way, way more than that."

Sorry, pal, I don't trust ANY of your numbers. They're all based on fantasy, and Grok GIGO.

It's obvious you're treating AI as a push poll.

"If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour "
And who is going to drive to the growing fields every day to harvest?"

If Americans are unwilling to work for $70,000 harvesting crops (which I don't think will be the case), then the case for automation just becomes greater and the need for labor is reduced. Even in the case of lettuce pickers - the semi-automated process doubles the output per worker. So, increase automation and labor needs are greatly reduced so even if you cannot replace workers 1:1 at $33.42/hour, it does not matter because the need is less.

Second, if the above proves impossible - which is won't - you use guest worker programs with limited rights (like no birthright citizenship for their kids or access to public schools). You know Germany grows lettuce too - right? They get Eastern Europeans to pick it for 12 Euro/hour. ----, we could probably import white German citizen to pick in California for $33.42/hour.

"Every equation you reference is employing fantasy: American workers WILL show up
#31 | Posted by Danforth"

As proven in the article linked - THEY DO! What part of that don't you understand? If some ------- lazy deepblue -------- dweller wants welfare because they refuse to move/work for $33.42/hour - they can starve on the street.

"#32 | Posted by Danforth"

Well, I give you credit for at least taking off the mask now and dropping your prior line - "I want to control immigration by punishing the employers" - it is 100% clear that you want your brown slave labor regardless of how much it hurts working class Americans. Lettuce being $0.02/lb more is unacceptable to you even if you would save $3000+ in taxes supporting illegals and the displaced American workers. Talk about being a financial illiterate. You have outdone yourself this time.

This is why the Democrats are at 20% approval and Trump is winning on the immigration issue. Deport them all - you will thank us in 10 years when we don't need a welfare state any longer.

MAGAs don't understand humanity or the world

Reminds me of when a group of Americans signed up for picking lettuce. Most quit by lunchtime.

THEY SUPPRESS WAGES.

That's why Reagan gave them amnesty. The meatpacking industry wanted to destroy the union shops and he was more than happy to do that.

Do tell us why this administration is not prosecuting businesses that are hiring the undocumented workers?

dynamichr.com

"Do tell us why this administration is not prosecuting businesses that are hiring the undocumented workers?
dynamichr.com
#37 | Posted by Nixon"

It is already answered in the article -------:

"Every employee at Glenn Valley Foods, including those who were detained by ICE, has been approved through E-Verify, Hartmann said. When he told this to DHS during the raid, an agency official described the system they operate as flawed and easy to cheat."

Wait wait wait

A bunch of Spanish speakers show up to apply for jobs and MAGAts are cheering? This is a first.

Usually they are claiming they must be illegal immigrants. These are the same people Trump is refusing to let become citizens.

"Oh they are taking up welfare benefits!"
-ScottS

How, idiot? They are working, many at that plant for 15 years. If they were on welfare, the new hires will be too.

No violent offenders. Many had been working there for 15 years. Why not just make them citizens? That's the only difference between the old employees and the new hires (you assume are all citizens).

" As proven in the article linked - THEY DO! What part of that don't you understand?"

The part where, if it's working, you need to double wages. Or make exceptions in four of the five largest immigrant worker industries.

FFS, add construction and you've got all five.

A bunch of Spanish speakers show up to apply for jobs and MAGAts are cheering? This is a first.
- synco

When this happens, you should check your narratives.

approved through E-Verify, Hartmann said. When he told this to DHS during the raid, an agency official described the system they operate as flawed and easy to cheat.
- FTA

No scam/cheating needed.

Just read the sign posted in every grocery store.

Once verified (get work authorization), can never ask again.

So even if eventually denied asylum, and have order to remove, company can't fire employee.

Ergo an illegal working at the company, company can't do anything.

" I give you credit for at least taking off the mask now and dropping your prior line "I want to control immigration by punishing the employers" - it is 100% clear that you want your brown slave labor regardless of how much it hurts working class Americans."

My point is, and has always been, both sides attack the symptom, but not the root cause. Fact is, employers have long skirted the law, and rarely been targeted; my guess is Republican Sheriffs in Republican counties with Republican members of the Chambers of Commerce who are the largest contributors to the Sheriff's re-election campaign.

My answer is, and has always been, to accept and embrace reality: these folks are part of the fabric of America. I say treat them with dignity, and let them come out of the shadows. And DEFINITELY educate and vaccinate their kids. As they say, if you think education is expensive, wait until you see the cost of ignorance.

The truth is, American workers are NOT going to drive daily to the fields, nor are they willing to sleep six to a room. As usual, your "answer" employs pure fantasy, like 100% deportation of illegals.

It also guarantees food price spikes, no matter what GIGO you barf into Grok.

"an agency official described the system they operate as flawed and easy to cheat."

Have we found a weak link? And what will the choice be: fix, or exploit?

"No scam/cheating needed."

On the contrary; SOMEONE was cheating. And the worker knows they are, as well.

"When this happens, you should check your narratives."

My narrative has always been Deport an illegal, and all you've done is hang up a "Job Vacancy" sign; Arrest an employer, and you've choked off the reason for migration.

"even if eventually denied asylum, and have order to remove, company can't fire employee."

Couldn't that be fixed with...what's it called?...a LAW?

I'm fine with slightly higher prices if it's a result of citizens displacing illegal aliens angle earning a higher wage.

I'm fine with slightly higher prices ...
#45 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

Of course you are.

You're a shortsighted idiot who cheers on the destruction of America because you're a fkkking xenophobic moron.

Also. Most you stupid idiots were crying for Four years about how expensive everything was during Biden's administration.

But now, Trump's president and you're obligated to approve everything he does.

You stupid idiot.

As long as JBelle is fine with higher prices, who cares what happens to people not as fortunate as him? Certainly not him.

Rwingers never learned the lessons of history and philosophy, and religion... which tell us that the ability to know that anyone else we see could be ourselves under other circumstances, and we empathize with them.

aka, 'there but for the grace of God go I'.

As long as JBelle is fine with higher prices, who cares what happens to people not as fortunate as him? Certainly not him.
Rwingers never learned the lessons of history and philosophy, and religion... which tell us that the ability to know that anyone else we see could be ourselves under other circumstances, and we empathize with them.
aka, 'there but for the grace of God go I'.

Posted by Corky at 2025-06-17 01:52 PM | Reply

Jeff's claimed to be a son of a multimillionaire over the years. He's got his screw everyone else.

I don't think his dad, the Pillow Guy, is all that anymore, lol.

-Do tell us why this administration is not prosecuting businesses that are hiring the undocumented workers?

For the same reason no administration will do it.

It's a campaign promise that's easy to break. Most voters don't really care. It's only a crisis when the opposition party is in power.

I'm fine with slightly higher prices ...

Of course you are.

As long as the Mad King says you are.

-I'm fine with slightly higher prices ...

Isn't that exactly what everyone here said when the notion of raising the minimum wage was offered up?

-Jeff's claimed to be a son of a multimillionaire over the years.

"I still think he's a ------- dentist somewhere in Detroit!!!"

-Twoothy, the most obsessed poster in the history of the Retort

Thank you for posting this Scott! I saw the article a few days back (and assumed correctly) it would be too much for the leftcoasttards who post here.

Jeff's claimed to be a son of a multimillionaire over the years.

So the --------- killed his father for the inheritance?

Dozens of prospective employees, many of them Spanish speakers, had been coming in and out of the plant all day. Some were hoping to land a new job; others were coming in for training.

So why isn't ICE just sitting there to pick them up? Or are they?

They are SPANISH SPEAKING applicants. So obviously any Spanish speaking applicant needs to be black bagged immediately and sent to El Salvador with no questions asked and no due process. Why wait until they are employed?

If at first you don't succeed raid raid again!

Anyway. Time will tell. Mass deportations coming to a farm near you. Trumpy gotta catch em all!

Jeff's claimed to be a son of a multimillionaire over the years. He's got his screw everyone else.
#48 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

That would actually make a lot more sense about why he's so detached from reality and why he's such a staunch Trumper.

"you can see from this raid that blaming the employer is not the solution as they are using the government programs that are designed to be easy for illegals to circumvent."

It takes a lot of idiocy to believe the hirers aren't willfully turning a blind eye.

Here's an idea: how about making it HARDER to circumvent? Helluva lot cheaper than a useless wall boondoggle.

I still think he's a ------- dentist somewhere in Detroit!!!"
-Twoothy, the most obsessed poster in the history of the Retort

Posted by eberly at 2025-06-17 02:53 PM | Reply

He would be wrong.

"Won't stop yer bois from ICE from putting the boot to their necks...
#3 | Posted by Angrydad"
We can only hope. The faster they are gone, the faster we get American wages up and people off of welfare.
#4 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-06-16 08:38 PM

They make Faragamo with a swastika heel, how cool for you.

- people off of welfare.

All that requires is a living wage from Corporations. Not transferring trillions of dollars from the poor and middle class to billionaires in tax cuts they will only use to buy yet another yacht... would also be helpful.

Of course, Trumpers don' really care because their Cult Leader doesn't care.

"All that requires is a living wage from Corporations.
#61 | Posted by Corky"

Which you get by kicking out the illegals that are suppressing US wages...try to keep up -------.

"My point is, and has always been, both sides attack the symptom"

Nope - your mask is off now -------. You want the illegals here and you don't considered them a problem at all. In your next sentence you prove that point for me.

"My answer is, and has always been, to accept and embrace reality: these folks are part of the fabric of America. I say treat them with dignity, and let them come out of the shadows. And DEFINITELY educate and vaccinate their kids.
#43 | Posted by Danforth"

So, you don't want to send them back and enforce immigration laws. I guess you can keep lying and say that you want enforcement as you lie about everything else but your words show your desire.

I don't want to educate or vaccinate their kids. I want their kids, and the parents, back in their home country. I don't want them out of the shadows - I want the threat of deportation to hang over their heads like the sword of Damocles so they self deport and others do not attempt to cross the border. This is how every other civilized country handles illegal immigrants and yet, their lettuce still gets picked. You Democrats and Globo-Homo has destroyed the US enough - we are finally fixing what you intentionally broke.

"Which you get by kicking out the illegals that are suppressing US wages"

Except the hotel workers.
And the farm workers.
And the restaurant workers.
And the meatpacking plant workers. Those folks you're keeping in.

Add home construction, and you're up to the vast majority. If the over/under is 90%...I'll take the over.

"#64 | Posted by Danforth"

Nope, they are ALL going back. No exceptions.

"You want the illegals here"

I believe the ones who are here deserve recognition and dignity. No more, no less.

You lost your standing when you were willing to forego Due Process and replace it with Your Opinion.

Sorry...what am I thinking? TRUMP's opinion. (Or, more precise, Stephen Miller's opinion)

"#66 | Posted by Danforth"

They broke the law and should be treated like the criminals they are. The 'due process' nonsense you can shove back in your ass where you pulled it out from originally. YOU WANT THEM HERE. Just say it and stop trying to make nonsense arguments. You don't care about due process. You don't care about blaming the employers - YOU WANT THEM HERE.

64 | Posted by Danforth"
Nope, they are ALL going back. No exceptions.

Posted by ScottS at 2025-06-17 07:20 PM | Reply

No they aren't. This country would totally collapse if that occurred. Just sayin

"They broke the law and should be treated like the criminals they are."

If that was the standard Trumpy and his cabal of criminals would all have been behind bars ages ago.

"So, you don't want to send them back and enforce immigration laws."

Not true. But we were promised the gangs and scofflaws would be deported first. Instead, daily-quota-failure led to arresting day laborers at Home Depot.

And why? Because identifying and arresting gang members is hard werk, and Miller's Gestapo couldn't be bothered with such trivialities.

Not to mention how embarrassed they were at NEVER hitting their quotas.

"The 'due process' nonsense you can shove back in your ass where you pulled it out from originally."

I "pulled it" from the US Constitution.

I appreciate you openly admitting you're an enemy of the US Constitution.

"The 'due process' nonsense you can shove back in your ass where you pulled it out from originally."

That "Due Process nonsense" was pulled directly from the U.S. Constitution. You should probably read it sometime.

Meanwhile..

GFY commie.

"they are ALL going back. No exceptions."

You're delusional.

But I'll bite: what date-certain is 100%, and how much would you like to bet?

"YOU WANT THEM HERE. Just say it"

They ARE here. Just say it.

I'm merely trying to admit the truth, and state for the record they deserve recognition, respect, and human dignity.

" Isn't that exactly what everyone here said when the notion of raising the minimum wage was offered up?

#52 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-06-17 02:51 PM | FLAG: "

Due process. Welcome them in by the millions with minimal vetting but deport? Each and every individual gets a minimum of 6 appearances before a judge. Nope. Doesn't work that way.

"No exceptions."

Trump disagrees. --, sez Donnie.

Four of the big five, exceptions.

Oh, wait! Only three of the big five, exceptions. Or four. Or two. Or three.

What day of the week is it???

"This country would totally collapse if that occurred. Just sayin
#68 | Posted by LauraMohr"

This country IS collapsing BECAUSE OF THEM. Not 100% because of them, but the permanent underclass of unskilled American workers is rapidly growing as public schools and government services collapse. The social cohesion of the US is evaporating as well.

Send 100% back - no exceptions.

" Isn't that exactly what everyone here said when the notion of raising the minimum wage was offered up?

#52 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-06-17 02:51 PM | FLAG: "

Yep. Y other response was accidentally posted on this thread.

" Each and every individual gets a minimum of 6 appearances before a judge. Nope. Doesn't work that way."

Then CHANGE that.

You don't get to say That's too many, therefore rendition the guy, and eff Due Process.

Try to live by your pretend standards, for once.

Posted by ScottS at 2025-06-17 07:38 PM | Reply

You're an ignorant buffoon. You have no clue what is going on. You've been spoon fed a line of bunk and now you believe it. Undocumented immigrants are keeping America afloat. I promise you that.

"Oh, wait! Only three of the big five, exceptions. Or four. Or two. Or three.
What day of the week is it???
#76 | Posted by Danforth"

You really need to stop believing the trash reporting of the fake news. You haven't learned yet that they lie to you constantly? You believe WWF is real too -------?

They are all going back. Over 1M self-deportations already. With fines for overstays and illegals that choose not to leave, the enforcement is going to keep ramping up. The single biggest deportation action in US history.

" 76 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-06-17 07:38 PM | FLAG: "

Grab the low hanging fruit first. Deportin 20 million illegal aliens will take several years, if not longer. Gotta prioritize.

"#80 | Posted by LauraMohr"

Laura, a big reason why you failed in life and are poor now is due to illegals taking jobs and suppressing wages. You were never skilled and educated - you were never going to do coding at Google. But, you are in farm country and could have had a middle class lifestyle if it were not for the illegals flooding whole industries. Just think, if you worked in ag, you probably would not have become so obese as it is physical work. Your t-levels would have been much higher - and a majority of your health issues never would have happened.

Now, you played a huge role in this with your own decisions - but, you were dealt a losing hand because of the illegals flooding into your area. Do you really want the same thing to happen to the next generation of Americans? Surely, you have nieces and nephews facing the same losing hand.

"#80 | Posted by LauraMohr"

And I apologize for being harsh in my comments - but this is live or die time for America and we must all make a choice. We saw the liberal visions - riots, burning cities, lawlessness, drug addiction - that is what they want for you. Just tax some billionaire and then lock the lower class in their 200sft studio apartment in a deep blue -------- city with some minimal UBI creating a permanent underclass by making them drug addicted and taking away their opportunities.

Trump offers a different vision - he is the ONLY ONE offering a different vision.

"Grab the low hanging fruit first."

You mean skip the gang members, and concentrate on the Home Depot day laborers?!?

" Gotta prioritize."

The people you enable lied to America. They said the priority would be the gang members and lawbreakers.

Instead it's the "low-hanging fruit", meaning the people who've already become part of the country's fabric.

And...let's be serious...in the long equation, all this is meant to cause a public uprising to the point where elections will just have to be cancelled.

Trump offers a different vision -

#84 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

Spiders and snakes.

illegals flooding into your area.

#83 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

I have never seen such a flood.

Does it happen very, very early in the morning?

"#85 | Posted by Danforth"

Now you are whining about the order of the people getting deported? Yet another fake outrage from the ------- Dems that WANT THE ILLEGALS HERE.

I don't give 2 ----- if the people on the deportation busses are illegal abuelas or violent wife beating gang members like 'Maryland Man'. So long as all the seats are filled and the busses keep rolling until they are all gone, I don't care about the priority.

"#87 | Posted by Zed"

You are safely living in Canada cosplaying as a Texan online. Your flood is not from illegals - it is the Indian 'street --------' that Trudeau brought in that you need to deal with. Why don't you leave American politics to Americans?

@#85 ... "Grab the low hanging fruit first."

You mean skip the gang members, and concentrate on the Home Depot day laborers?!?

" Gotta prioritize."

The people you enable lied to America. They said the priority would be the gang members and lawbreakers. ...

Bingo.

Pres Trump lied not only to his supporters, but to America when he said he would go after the gang members and criminals.

"Now you are whining about the order of the people getting deported?"

When the order was part of a campaign promise? Yes.

My turn: Why are you okay with Trump lying to you about who was going to be deported first?

"So long as all the seats are filled and the busses keep rolling until they are all gone, I don't care about the priority."

Nor do you care if there are innocents among the accused. We get it.

BTW, were you aware the US knew MOST of the folks renditioned to El Salvador had no criminal convictions?

only six of the Venezuelans deported to El Salvador had prior convictions for violent crimes in the U.S., according to The Texas Tribune. These included four for assault, one for kidnapping, and one for a weapons offense. The majority of those deported were not labeled as having any criminal convictions or pending charges, but were instead categorized as having violated immigration laws

www.texastribune.org

Who on earth endorses banishment to a third-world hellhole for an immigration violation?!?

@#88 ... Now you are whining about the order of the people getting deported? ...

Nope.

The comment your current alias refers to seems to be noting how Pres trump lied about his aims ad goals.

I do notice how your current alias seemed to have skipped over that aspect.

So lame.

""Now you are whining about the order of the people getting deported?"
When the order was part of a campaign promise? Yes.
#91 | Posted by Danforth"

Let me get this straight - you are whining about a 'broken' campaign promise by the candidate YOU DID NOT VOTE FOR...did I get that right?

I voted for them all going back - and that is what I am getting. There was no broken campaign promise and all policies need to update as Democrats rolled out their activist judges. Adults understand this.

Let's bring some actual math to this discuss - basically, liberal talkpoint Kryptonite

LOL this from the dumbf(*&s who think Trump won in a landslide...

"...a 'broken' campaign promise by the candidate YOU DID NOT VOTE FOR...did I get that right?"

What a riot.

Are you actually pretending you wouldn't have held Harris to her campaign promises?!?

He promised ALL OF AMERICA, not just his voters. And the fact he lied and you're okay with it, doesn't mean I have to be okay with it.

Nor does it mean it's okay.

Now go fetch more water.

"I voted for them all going back - and that is what I am getting."

No you're not. You're not getting half.

You're such a math moron.

"There was no broken campaign promise... "

More water! Fetch!!!

"Are you actually pretending you wouldn't have held Harris to her campaign promises?!?
#95 | Posted by Danforth"

Harris promised to destroy the nation. I would be cheering every campaign promise she broke. You are having quite the opposite reaction. So, cry more -------.

"#94 | Posted by jpw"

Show us all that big brain of yours that landed you that lush job of washing beakers at $15/hr.

How much would the price of price of lettuce increase if we doubled wages to over $33/hr?

Also, as a bonus question - do you think Americans would pick lettuce at over $33/hr or let the crops rot in the field?

"Harris promised to destroy the nation"

Of course she did.

Is she in the room with you right now?

Why don't you leave American politics to Americans?

#89 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

What we do here in America affects our allies. So they do get to voice their opinion. And I for one do appreciate a reasonable outsiders view.

So..basically..

Same reason you can't leave California politics to California.

Apparently.

"How much would the price of price of lettuce increase if we doubled wages to over $33/hr?"

Admit you've never run a business without saying those specific words.

As a lot of small businesses know, labor is often the largest line-item. Doubling the cost of labor, and expecting a minimal effect on prices, doesn't pass the smell test. Especially when one assumes there would be NO disruptions or labor shortages of any kind.

Laughable.

@#98 ... Harris promised to destroy the nation. ...

Got links?

"#102 | Posted by Danforth"

Okay ------- - time for you to prove you are just as bad at cost accounting as you are at tax accounting.

How much would the price of lettuce increase if picker wages were doubled to $33/hr. Show your work.

@#99 ... Show us all that big brain of yours that landed you that lush job of washing beakers at $15/hr. ...

So, all your current alias seems to have are ad hominem attacks?

So lame.

@#102 .... Laughable. ...

As seem to be most of that current alias' comments.

@#104 ... How much would the price of lettuce increase if picker wages were doubled to $33/hr. ...

If I may ask, what is the point of your current alias in this current discussion?

Perhaps that the wages American workers get would be too expensive for our food supply chain to absorb without tremendously increasing inflation?

"How much would the price of lettuce increase if picker wages were doubled to $33/hr."

Based on what? Your Brigadoon, or reality?

Back on Earth...under your plan, workers aren't showing up, 75% of the crop is rotting in the field. Suddenly fresh produce is rare, and contagion ensues: ALL picked crops spike in cost.

Which Democrat will you blame?

Squats is Jeff's lamest sock puppet yet.

Danforth,

The "Maryland man" is a gang member and Democrats lost their collective minds when he was deported. They've rattled off all sorts of other gang members and criminals who have been deported and the left howled about the injustice of those deportations.

"Perhaps that the wages American workers get would be too expensive for our food supply chain to absorb without tremendously increasing inflation?
#107 | Posted by LampLighter"

Well, how on earth would anyone know the answer to that question? Oh! I know, we could ------- CALCULATE IT - exactly as I did above. It would add $0.02 of cost to a pound of lettuce. Would that break the bank and make it too expensive? You are back on ignore until you can actually demonstrate an ability to reason -------.

Democrats 1850's: without slaves who will pick our cotton?

Democrats 2020's: Without illegals who will pick our crops?

"Based on what? Your Brigadoon, or reality?
#108 | Posted by Danforth"

How about basic cost accounting principles, -------? Like, we look at production per worker per hour and then divide by the labor cost per hour. All of these numbers are known - labor cost for lettuce pickers is $0.02/lb. I did the calculation for you already. So, unless you want to show some actual math, just keep your retarded opinions to yourself.

"#112 | Posted by BellRinger"

And just like after the Civil War, automation will make the US the most productive country once again. For cotton, by 1880, the US was producing more cotton than before the war and they did this without slaves. Also, overall, the price of cotton did not increase. History will repeat again.

"...time for you to prove you are just as bad at cost accounting as you are at tax accounting. How much would the price of lettuce increase if picker wages were doubled to $33/hr. Show your work"

I'll do you one better: I'll show YOUR work. You posted:

The average price per pound of lettuce in the US is between $1.3-$3/pound. If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour ... the cost of lettuce would increase to $1.52 - $3.02 per pound.

So...the average is 5.6%. And at the low end...IT WOULD INCREASE BY 16.9%. (Math: 22/130)

"we look at production per worker per hour and then divide by the labor cost per hour."

Now do half the workers, the day ALL the crops ripen.

" I did the calculation for you already. "

No YOU didn't. Grok did, based on your GIGO.

@#111 ... Well, how on earth would anyone know the answer to that question? Oh! I know, we could ------- CALCULATE IT - exactly as I did above. ...

According to your current alias' #17 comment (posted, fwiw, with no substantiation whatsoever) ...

Paying American workers instead of immigrants would result in a nearly 10% price increase in goods.

From #17 ...

...
The average price per pound of strawberries in the US is between $3-$4/pound.
...
If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour and the grocery stores and farmers passed on 100% of the labor cost to customers, the cost of strawberries would increase to $3.20 - $4.14 per pound.
...

So, from $3.00 a pound to $3.20 a pound?

"The "Maryland man" is a gang member and Democrats lost their collective minds when he was deported."

Why didn't you?

If it was Biden denying the guy's Due Process, your head would've exploded.

Now you're carrying water for folks who defy the Constitution you used to (pretend to) venerate.

Paying American workers instead of immigrants would result in a nearly 10% price increase in goods.
#118 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Why? Why are you defending slave labor?

And I for one do appreciate a reasonable outsiders view.
~ DonnorBot

You think you do, but your posts say otherwise.

Same reason you can't leave California politics to California.
~ DonnerBot

What happens in California percolates to the rest of the country. How do you not know this.

"So, from $3.00 a pound to $3.20 a pound?"

Yep. A 6.7% increase. Which, of course, won't cause ANY price increases, because Unicorn Sky Fairy Dust.

Do these morons realize price increases are exacerbated by labor shortages???

This country would totally collapse if that occurred. Just sayin
#68 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

How? How could California collapse if every illegal immigrant was deported?

I was under the impression the 4th largest economy was robust, now you're saying it runs on slave labor?

"Why are you defending slave labor?"

He's not; he's asking why you believe higher labor costs won't result in higher costs for Americans.

@#115 ... And at the low end...IT WOULD INCREASE BY 16.9%. (Math: 22/130) ...

Percentage cost increase aside, there are also other issues.

For example, corporations like to hire immigrants because they are less likely to complain about unsafe workplace conditions. If they do complain, they would just be deported for their complaint. And the corporation goes on by hiring another immigrant who doesn't complain.

So, in addition to the differential in wages, there is also a differential in workplace saftey that would have to be paid for.

"now you're saying it runs on slave labor?"

How do you define that?

If minimum wage is $15 in CA, and they're paying $18/hr, is that "slave labor"?

looks like the scotts alias is sending in backups ...

imo, of course.

"Yep. A 6.7% increase.
#123 | Posted by Danforth"

That 6.7% is for strawberries because it is not automated the same as lettuce. Lettuce would increase $0.02/lb or 1.3% - and that is before even better automation is implemented.

@#125 ... he's asking why you believe higher labor costs won't result in higher costs for Americans. ...

Yup.

That is exactly what I was asking.

"That 6.7% is for strawberries"

Now compound that with a shortage of workers. What's your range of spike?

More importantly...WHY ARE PRICES GOING UP, WHEN TRUMP PROMISED THEY'D GO DOWN?

@#129 ... That 6.7% is for strawberries ...

Yup.

The example your current alias posted.

With no substantiation, I might add, just random numbers.

"#130 | Posted by LampLighter"

Because the higher labor costs per hour will be offset by a higher level of automation and decreasing fuel costs. So the price consumers pay will not change. On the flipside, their public schools will function again, their health and social services will not be bankrupted, and wages for all working class Americans will increase and lessen their need to use welfare.

On the automation question - a worker harvesting lettuce doubles their production when using automation with the current automation process. Thus, you will see the farmers not automating today switch to automation in order to compete with the higher labor costs. Their cost per lb of harvested lettuce drops from $0.04 to $0.02 with automation.

It is almost like all you ------- liberals missed the point of the industrial revolution.

"#132 | Posted by LampLighter"

I listed the inputs above. If you want to challenge and update them, be my guest. Or, you can do your usual song and dance which is why you are typically ignored on this website.

@#131 ... More importantly...WHY ARE PRICES GOING UP, WHEN TRUMP PROMISED THEY'D GO DOWN? ...

Bingo.

Trump Promised Lower Food Prices On Day 1
www.yahoo.com

... Standing in front of a table stacked with food items at his New Jersey golf course last summer, Donald Trump complained that grocery prices had "skyrocketed" and promised to fix that if Americans made him president again: "When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one." ...

"Lettuce would increase $0.02/lb or 1.3%"

That wasn't what your own numbers said. They said a 16.9% increase in raw prices. I laid out the numbers for you. A $.22 increase from a $1.30 base price is a 16.9% increase.

Any sensible middleman will have to increase prices by 17%, AT LEAST. It's the absolute minimum to run a successful business: charge cost plus at every interval.

"Now compound that with a shortage of workers. What's your range of spike?
#131 | Posted by Danforth"

Why would there be a worker shortage? The cost increase is predicated on a doubling of wages. Now, if you want to claim that Americans WILL NOT do ag work for $70,000/year - just say that. I think it is a retarded position to take but you do you.

@#133 ... Because the higher labor costs per hour will be offset by a higher level of automation and decreasing fuel costs. ...

"will be"

"will be" ???

GMAFB

"Will be" is not necessarily, or even usually, what happens, especially when Pres Trump is involved.

So, what else yer lame current alias got?

" a higher level of automation and decreasing fuel costs. "

Higher automation leads to INCREASING fuel costs.

" the price consumers pay will not change."

After increased raw costs in double digits??? Like I've said...you're a math moron. Who will you be in your next incarnation, once you get the egg off your face?

"That wasn't what your own numbers said.
#136 | Posted by Danforth"

A $0.02/pound increase -------. I was using broad averages. Whichever number you take as the starting point, doubling waged would add $0.02/pound. I had a typo on the original $1.30 which should have read $1.50 but any normal person can figure that out as I laid of the math for the labor component for you. But again, seeing how you lose every argument you have with me - I can see you parade this typo around like you actually achieved something.

"Why would there be a worker shortage?"

You deported the majority of them.

" The cost increase is predicated on a doubling of wages."

And Americans are expected to, what...drive to California to harvest?

More Unicorn Sky Fairy Dust.

TACO Trump is going to Reagan 70% of the illegals, 90% if he adds home construction.

"Higher automation leads to INCREASING fuel costs.
#139 | Posted by Danforth"

Fuel CONSUMPTION increases as automation increase. Fuel prices DECREASE due to Trump's energy policies. Hard for you to take on 2 ideas at the same time -------? Like the fact that lettuce costs go up by $0.02/lb but we save BILLIONS in services that the illegals use?

" If it was Biden denying the guy's Due Process, your head would've exploded"

He was given "due process". He enter d illegally and that is beyond dispute. That means he's deportable.

"A $0.02/pound increase -------. "

No, your range started at 1.30, and ended at 1.52. I get you don't understand math, but that's a 16.9% increase.

All your GIGO product to the contrary.

@#137 ... Why would there be a worker shortage? ...

Has your current alias even looked at the unemployment rate?

OK, let's look at this from a different angle ...

After early reprieve from immigration enforcement, farming industry reckons with raids
www.npr.org

... President Trump vowed to help protect agricultural workers just days after federal immigration officials targeted farms and meat packing plants in a widespread effort to detain people without legal status.

For months, the Trump administration has been sending mixed signals to the agriculture community about how immune their workforce is to the effort to conduct mass deportations. The agriculture industry is among those that employ large numbers of workers without legal standing to work in the United States. And in several communities, meat packing plants employ people with temporary protected status or parole, which includes work authorization, though the administration revoked many of those protections in recent months. ...

So, why did Pres Trump suddenly seem to exempt those workers from deportation?

"And Americans are expected to, what...drive to California to harvest?
#141 | Posted by Danforth"

Okay - so you are on the record stating that Americans won't do ag work for over $33/hour...got it. At what wage do you think they would do the ag work? Under my scenario, these guys are more than doubling JWP wages despite his crippling debt and wasted life in school. What is the rate at which Americans would be able to fully replace the Mexican illegals? It is not like we did not have lettuce before 1985 or we did not have houses built - Americans do actually work.

was given "due process". He enter d illegally and that is beyond dispute. That means he's deportable.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-06-17 09:26 PM | Reply

That's not due process and you know it too.

"He was given "due process". He enter d illegally and that is beyond dispute. "

That's not due process for deportation. Are you pretending it is?

"That means he's deportable."

Not without due process. Again, if Biden...pieces of your exploded head would be found in Wisconsin.

"so you are on the record stating that Americans won't do ag work for over $33/hour.'

I'm saying they won't drive to Modesto from, say, St. Louis. Do you disagree?

"Not without due process. Again, if Biden...pieces of your exploded head would be found in Wisconsin.
#148 | Posted by Danforth"

If Biden deported illegals aliens without due process - not a single MAGA would have made a peep. We would be cheering that the mush-brained pedophile finally did something beneficial for the United States.

JASMINE GARSD, BYLINE: Every so often Al Juhnke, executive director of the Nebraska Pork Producers Association, says that he'll get a phone call from a farmer. It goes something like this.

AL JUHNKE: Al, I got a great idea.

GARSD: On how to solve Nebraska's severe labor shortage.

JUHNKE: Why don't we invite any immigrant - legal, illegal, I don't care - invite them to Nebraska, 'cause we have lots of openings out on our farm, and we need help.

GARSD: Juhnke says attracting labor is not about wages. The average pay for a meat trimmer is close to $18 an hour, well above the state minimum of 13.50.

JUHNKE: People say, well, just double or triple the pay. You'll get United States citizens to work. No, you won't.

"I'm saying they won't drive to Modesto from, say, St. Louis. Do you disagree?
#149 | Posted by Danforth"

So now your argument is switching to it is unreasonable to expect people to relocate to where there are actually jobs?

"Under my scenario, these guys are more than doubling JWP wages..."

As usual, your math skills flunk the most basic challenges. Are you trying to be a WOB?

"So now your argument is switching to it is unreasonable to expect people to relocate to where there are actually jobs?"

Overnight? Yeah. In a year or two? Still yeah.

I'm also saying your plan is a total bust, due to your completely unrealistic grasp of what you're actually proposing. For one thing, NO ONE is going to double the lettuce picker's pay.

"So now your argument is switching to it is unreasonable to expect people to relocate to where there are actually jobs?'

It's not just that; these folks are nomads.

Americans are not going to leave their suburbs, and drive to central California, and then to the next harvest, and then the next.

"People say, well, just double or triple the pay. You'll get United States citizens to work. No, you won't."

ScottS's plan is American workers get SO desperate after AI, they start picking crops. Success! MAGA!!!

Awe, look at the left going bonkers over losing their slave labor...

#155

You have the patience of a Saint; Dan 'splains reality to Trumpers.

It's a yuge job!

"#151 | Posted by LauraMohr"

There is a worker shortage because the wages are suppressed by an endless flood of illegals. You even see this with the illegal Mexicans not wanting to work for the low wages so the companies start hiring illegal Guatemalans or Hondurans. The one thing certain is that there is a ton of piss poor people that would gladly undercut US wages. The solution is to end the supply of illegals and let wages and prices reset to a legal market price (not based on illegal labor). Again, the societal benefit vastly outweighs any price increase.

Let's look at the cost accounting for a beef processing plant.

The calculation is between .01-.03 labor hours per lb of beef. The average beef processing plant worker makes $17.39 in Nebraska.

This means the labor component in a pound of beef is between $0.17 and $0.52/lb.

Average fresh beef (all beef) in the US is $8.15/lb so the processing plant labor component is 2.1% - 6.4%. So, your price of beef would increase by 2.1% - 6.4% if wages were doubled to $35/hr - and I will note the range of .01 - .03 takes into account the level of automation. The highly automated plants are already at the 2.1% rate. Doubling wages would simply force the remaining plants to bring their automation in line with the competition.

"Awe, look at the left going bonkers over losing their slave labor..."

Aw, look at the right, giving every excuse why prices will be going UP, not down.

Even better: pretending folks like them are going to scramble for those juicy meat-packing jobs!

"If we don't have AA's to pick our cotton, how's anyone going to be able to afford clothes"?

So Scotts is Mao Tse Dung ehhhhhh?? Am I correct??

"There is a worker shortage because the wages are suppressed by an endless flood of illegals."

I'll take How To Flunk Econ 101 in One Statement for $2,000, Kenny.

""If we don't have AA's to pick our cotton, how's anyone going to be able to afford clothes"?"

I don't mind paying fair wages.

What bothers me is morons pretending these actions won't jack up prices.

I don't mind paying fair wages.

#164 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-06-17 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then why argue? The market will correct itself.

"Average fresh beef (all beef) in the US is $8.15/lb so the processing plant labor component is 2.1% - 6.4%."

Meaning if wages were doubled, the component might raise the cost by up to 6.4%.

Who is pretending this wouldn't cause a price spike???

The liberal -------- seem to think cows milked themselves and the US lacked all fruits and vegetables prior to the mass illegal migration starting in the 80's.

I will give you some evidence from my own story. I used to bale hay in the summers during high school and college. As some of you may have noticed - summer breaks align with planting/harvest season by design because the labor used to be provided by the family.

The farmer that I worked for then moved to hiring Mexicans to do the work (many of whom I suspect were illegals).

After they started to demand too much money, he automated to a 'kicker' baler eliminating the need for the hired labor.

Farmers have endless automation options - but, they will stick to using low priced labor as long as it is available and accepted.

You see this is the midwest with custom combines where a lot of farmers don't even own equipment anymore - they hire it out. But, because of the flood of cheap illegals, California has not kept pace.

"Then why argue? The market will correct itself.'

Over a few years. Maybe. Or maybe they'll be a new paradigm.

Meanwhile, you're pretending prices won't spike in the interim. Why?

"I'll take How To Flunk Econ 101
#163 | Posted by Danforth"

It seems that you already studied that in college when you weren't wasting your time blowing your fellow interpretive dance majors.

Squats has ZERO understanding of history.

Look up " militarization of the U.S - Mexican border" fuqtard.

"The farmer that I worked for then moved to hiring Mexicans to do the work (many of whom I suspect were illegals)."

Did you turn them in? Why not?

I used to bale hay in the summers during high school and college. As some of you may have noticed - summer breaks align with planting/harvest season by design because the labor used to be provided by the family.

#167 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-06-17 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Back when the square bale was a thing - me too. My dad's family also had watermelon farms and I spent a month out of the year hauling them things too.

Squats never "baked hay"

------ sheep, yes.

Sucked off bulls, of course.

@#157 ... Awe, look at the left going bonkers over losing their slave labor... ...

The reality is that it was the farming industry that raised the issue to Pres Trump, and e backed down, but only temporarily.

Is your current alias [ignorantly] ascribing the farming industry to leftists?

If so, wow.

Jeff has a twisted version of reality. Try logging in with your real name, puta.

"Meaning if wages were doubled, the component might raise the cost by up to 6.4%.
Who is pretending this wouldn't cause a price spike???
#166 | Posted by Danforth"

An increase from 2.1%-6.5% is a 'price spike' now? ------- - that is like 3 months of Biden inflation and I didn't see you whining then.

You are only whining now because your illegals are GOING BACK.

Squats never "baked hay"

#173 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-06-17 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

But this dumb@$$ "baked hay"

Jeff has a twisted version of reality. Try logging in with your real name, puta.

#175 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-06-17 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did Jeff violate you in some way? Seems like he did, you cant get him off your mind.

"It seems that you already studied that in college'

Econ? I was actually the TA.

"when you weren't wasting your time blowing your fellow interpretive dance majors."

Since that never happened, I'll assume this is your fantasy we're dealing with...again.

Duuuuude...it's okay. You can get out of your closet. Here's a hint: NOBODY brings up gay sex in the middle of a discussion, except someone obsessed with gay sex.

@#167 ... but, they will stick to using low priced labor as long as it is available and accepted. ...

Yup.

But the question is not what the farmers do, but why they do it.

Asked differently...

Why do farming corporations seem to prefer to hire illegal immigrants instead of hiring Americans?

There has to be a reason for that choice.

What is it?

Jeff has a twisted version of reality. Try logging in with your real name, puta.

Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-06-17 09:57 PM | Reply

He can't. It's on the banned list. I don't know why he just doesn't ask to use it again. I'm sure that RCADE knows that it's him.

"An increase from 2.1%-6.5% is a 'price spike' now? "

Two years of inflation overnight? YES, dumfuq.

"Back when the square bale was a thing - me too. My dad's family also had watermelon farms and I spent a month out of the year hauling them things too.
#172 | Posted by lfthndthrds"

I spent my summers on the back of a wagon hooking hay in 90 degree heat and 90% humidity - covered in chaff that stuck to your entire body due to being sweat soaked - all for a whopping $7/hour. And you know what? Most fun job I ever had. We ran our own crews - solved our own problems - and just focused on getting the hay baled before it rained. A perfectly stacked 6 high wagon was a badge of honor.

The problem is the lazy liberals on here all grew up in -------- blue cities. They never even mowed a lawn much less did an honest days work. But of Bernie Sanders.

Danforth,

Deportation is not the same thing as criminal prosecution. When it comes to deportation please expound what you mean when you say "due process". I want us to be on the same page

He can't. It's on the banned list.

#181 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-06-17 10:00 PM | Reply | Flag

So much for 1st ammendment

The Dems favorite "Maryland man" is being charged with human trafficking in a criminal court. "Due process" will absolutely apply. Because he's be NG charged with a crime.

"Econ? I was actually the TA.
#179 | Posted by Danforth"

You were the '---- and ass' for the professor? Yeah, I guess I can see that.

But, why pretend you have any economic education when you prove daily that you don't? I so thoroughly exposed you as a fake 'tax-preparer' that I am surprised you even stick to this persona. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would even want to cosplay as a 'tax-preparer' but that is a question for another day.

, deportation is subject to due process requirements under the U.S. Constitution. The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments' due process clauses protect all individuals within U.S. borders, including non-citizens facing deportation. This means that individuals facing deportation are entitled to certain procedural protections to ensure fairness.
Elaboration:
Due Process:
Due process, generally, means the government must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. In the context of deportation, it requires that individuals have a fair opportunity to present their case and challenge the government's actions.
Rights in Deportation Proceedings:
Non-citizens facing deportation have the right to:
Notice: Be informed of the charges against them and the reasons for potential deportation.
Hearing: Have a hearing before a neutral decision-maker, typically an immigration judge.
Opportunity to Present Evidence: Be able to present evidence and legal arguments in their defense.
Legal Representation: Have the right to legal counsel (though they are not automatically provided with one).

""An increase from 2.1%-6.5% is a 'price spike' now? "
Two years of inflation overnight? YES, dumfuq.
#182 | Posted by Danforth"

2 years of inflation? Joe Biden gave you 9.9% food inflation in 2022. So, like I said, 2.1% is like 3 months under Biden - and yet, we didn't hear you whining then.

"When it comes to deportation please expound what you mean when you say "due process". "

You posted: "He entered illegally and that is beyond dispute. That means he's deportable."

That does NOT, in and of itself, constitute a deportable offense...NOT UNTIL THAT HAS BEEN ADJUDICATED BY A COURT. You know..."Due Process".

My turn: Please comment on the fact only 6 of the ~285 folks renditioned to El Salvador had criminal convictions.
www.propublica.org

@#187 .... You were the '---- and ass' for the professor? ...

So, nothing beside the usual ad hominem attack?

So lame.

"2 years of inflation?"

6.5%? ---- straight.

BTW, anyone blaming Biden for the inflation, without admitting Trump wanted a 42% LARGER stimulus (meaning worse inflation), is a math moron or a chickenschittt.

Biden brought down inflation further, faster than any of the G7 countries, and handed off an economy the WSJ admitted was "the envy of the world".

Clearly, ETTD.

" So much for 1st ammendment

#185 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2025-06-17 10:04 PM | FLAG: "

Yep. It's diversify my news intake to try and avoid falling into a confirmation bias trap.

Danforth sometimes excoriates me for not creating "Trump is Satan's boss" threads. As if this site is lacking anti-Trump threads. NRO is very critical of Trump and I think some DR lefties might be interested in reading about Trump criticisms from the right. For a user blog NRO is prohibited.

You want me to post anti Trump threads? Sack up and pressure Rcade to allow NRO as a source. Do that and I'll gladly post anti Trump threads.

"You were the '---- and ass' for the professor? Yeah, I guess I can see that."

You don't know TA stands for Teaching Assistant? Yeah, I guess I can believe that.

@#189 ... So, like I said, 2.1% is like 3 months under Biden ...

Got a link?

Or is this just more of the usual ---- pore excretions of your current alias?

@#193

Huh?

What is your current alias rambling on about now?

The reality is that it was the farming industry that raised the issue to Pres Trump, and e backed down, but only temporarily.

#174 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-17 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Huh? The reality is, there are more dangerous illegal immigrants to prioritize on deporting than people who pick fruits and veggies or wash dishes.

"I so thoroughly exposed..."

What a riot.

All you exposed is you didn't understand your own posts, or the math behind ANY of it.

First, you posted an article about how much wealthy Americans got from the Trump tax code...but didn't realize it left out how much wealthy FOREIGNERS got from the tax code. Then, you couldn't fathom the wealthiest .1% got 60% of the tax cuts going to the top 10%, which is ludicrous once you realize every OTHER income bracket has a narrow window, compared with the BILLIONS and BILLIONS at the top (since the average Billionaire is worth $5.3 Billion). Finally, when it came to interest, you exposed your ignorance AGAIN, this time about ownership, stupidly claiming DIRECT ownership numbers also included INDIRECT ownership, an assumption which doesn't pass the smell test: that the world's wealthiest .1% don't hold ANY indirect US Treasuries. Ludicrous. And you put all this barf into AI, and think you're product is worthwhile.

You're the G in GIGO.

"The reality is, there are more dangerous illegal immigrants to prioritize on deporting than people who pick fruits and veggies or wash dishes."

Absolutely! We know where the REAL threats are!!

TO HOME DEPOT!!!

"Danforth sometimes excoriates me for not creating "Trump is Satan's boss" threads."

Heavens, no.

I'm just excoriating you for ignoring Trump is Using the Office to Grift Millions
And Trump Denying Due Process
And Trump Weaponizing the DOJ
And Trump's Kids Profiting from Daddy's Name/Office
And Trump Appoints Brainworm Victim

You know...all the things you'd be SCREECHING about if there was a (D) after the name.

Maybe it's time to post a thread about Obama's tan suit?

TO HOME DEPOT!!!

#199 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-06-17 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag

TBH that's one of the first places I'd look for criminals who want to skeet under the radar.

@#197 ... The reality is, there are more dangerous illegal immigrants to prioritize on deporting than people who pick fruits and veggies or wash dishes. ...

And your current alias' point is?

That Pres trump's statements about immigrants were wrong?

For the record, my opinion has always been, and it still is, if you are in this Country illegally, you should be deported. But before that can be enforce, we need to take a step back and look at hos immigrants are needed in the economy, and make those good folk legal." Our economy depends upon the immigrants. So why not make that legal?

Pres Trump seemed to agree with me for nearly a whole day, then he TACO'd. Again.

{sigh}

"You don't know TA stands for Teaching Assistant?
#194 | Posted by Danforth"

Everyone knows that is what it means in a traditional sense. However, given your utter lack of understanding of anything economics related and your debunked cosplay 'tax-preparer' character, it cannot mean that in your sense even if you went to a tier-3 -------- university.

So, I can only assume you were turning tricks for your third rate professor as you obviously did not soak up any economics knowledge from the class - which, you probably didn't even take.

"that's one of the first places I'd look for criminals who want to skeet under the radar."

Riiiiight.

I'm sure that's the threat to America, and not all the gangs Trump promised to eradicate on day one.

Is that water getting heavy to carry, day after day?

@#198 ... What a riot.

All you exposed is you didn't understand your own posts, or the math behind ANY of it. ...

Yup.

But that seems to be the norm for that current alias.

All bravado, little (mostly, no) substance.

So lame.

"First, you posted an article about how much wealthy Americans got from the Trump tax code
#198 | Posted by Danforth"

Dude - you LOST - BIGLY. It is better for you to just try to put this in your past if you want to continue with your cosplay 'tax preparer' character. To this day, I will leave it as an open challenge for you to post a single link backing up your ridiculous claim. As you have failed for the last 2 months, I don't expect that to change now.

@#203 ... Everyone knows ...

Whenever a comment starts with that phrase, i know the poster has got nothing.

And your current alias' post confirms that.

So lame.

"Everyone knows that is what it means in a traditional sense. "

You didn't seem to. In what educational setting is TA "---- and ass"?

"I can only assume you were turning tricks for your third rate professor"

Like I said, nobody brings up these topics except the overly repressed.

You're a gay man stuck in a closet.

But that's okay. Just get help. There's nothing wrong with being a gay man.

@#206 ... Dude - you LOST - BIGLY. ...

Is that something else that "everyone knows" or just more of the usual excretions from your ---- pore onto this most august site?

"Dude - you LOST - BIGLY. I'

I brought math.

You didn't understand the big numbers.

And ever since, you've been running a home run trot, all while the catcher has been holding strike three.

From the cited article ...

... Every seat in the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied with people filling out job applications early Thursday afternoon, two days after the meatpacking plant became the center of the largest worksiteimmigration raid in the state of Nebraska so far this year.

Dozens of prospective employees, many of them Spanish speakers, had been coming in and out of the plant all day. Some were hoping to land a new job; others were coming in for training. ...

[emphasis mine]

@#210 ... And ever since, you've been running a home run trot, all while the catcher has been holding strike three. ...

A great description.

May I borrow that in the future?

"You didn't seem to. In what educational setting is TA "---- and ass"?
#208 | Posted by Danforth"

In your setting as it cannot possibly mean Teachers Assistant for you given your demonstrated lack of understanding of economics. I doubt you even took the class -------.

" 200 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-06-17 10:32 PM | FLAG: "

You ch eered everything on that list under (D).

"In your setting as it cannot possibly mean Teachers Assistant for you "

Okay, you're a moron.

Got it.

"I brought math.
#210 | Posted by Danforth"

You brought NOTHING. As a further reminder for the class - your statement was so utterly ridiculous that not a single link even comes close to stating what you did - NOT A SINGLE LINK, much less any sort of consensus. Given the utter stupidity of liberals, one would assume some other ------ said something remotely similar to your claims - yet - NOT A SINGLE LINK states that...only you. I even asked Grok to look for links - legitimate and non-legitimate making the claim - and not a SINGLE LINK, not even to a far left liberal ------ making your claim on BlueSky. That makes you truly uniquely stupid.

But, again, I will keep the challenge open - post a single link backing up your claim.

"You cheered everything on that list under (D)."

Nonsense.

I demanded you prove your claims of censorship, lawfare, or corruption, which you NEVER could. Not once.

You couldn't find a single piece of lawfare.
You couldn't find a single piece of censorship.
You couldn't find a single piece of Joe Biden's corruption.

And the "corruption" you accused HB of, you complete overlook when it's Ja(R)ed. $2 million is supposed to be unforgivable, while $2 billion is entrepreneurial.

@#213 ... I doubt you even took the class -------. ...

So, the usual ad hominem attack from your current alias?

So lame.

@#216 ... that not a single link even comes close to stating what you did - NOT A SINGLE LINK ...

That seems to imply that your current lame alias has links.

Care to post them?

@#215 ... Okay, you're a moron.

Got it. ...

I do not disagree.

But I also have to ask why the apparent major deflection attempt by the two current aliases (which may be related?)) from the topic of the article.

The topic I tried to pull this thread back on to in #211.

Was it the "Spanish speakers" in #211 that pushed those two current (related?) aliases away from commenting on it?

"That seems to imply that your current lame alias has links.
#219 | Posted by LampLighter"

I can't post a link that does not exist - in other words, it is not possible to prove a negative as is the case with Danforth. Not a single link ANYWHERE backs up his statement yet he clings to it. EVERY LINK and CONSENSUS says that he is full of ----. He is standing completely alone, armed only with liberal-retard math that only he understands because NO ONE ELSE - not even far left liberal ------- on BlueSky back up his claim. A normal person would have admitted their mistake by now - but not ------- Danforth. He chose this hill to die on no matter how ridiculous it makes him.

"NOT A SINGLE LINK"

That's a lie, I gave multiple links. It's not my fault you couldn't understand them.

You posted an article admitting the top 1% got roughly 83% of the tax cuts.

That means if the .1% got just 60% of the cuts for the top 1%...that means the top .1% got MORE THAN HALF the Trump 1.0 tax cuts...and that's BEFORE counting interest, where you conflated direct ownership with direct and indirect ownership.

60% of the 1%'s tax cuts going to the .1% makes sense, since all lower tenths-of-a-percentile have relatively small windows. But once you get to the .1%...you could be talking millions, or hundreds of millions, or billions; there's NO window cap. It makes sense the bulk of the cuts lean toward the top of the scale.

But I get it: you don't understand the underlying math.

@#221 ... I can't post a link that does not exist - ...

Yet your current lame alias posts ...

... not a single link even comes close to stating what you did ...

Implying that it has seen links.

A nice dodge from your current lame alias.

What else it got?

"That's a lie, I gave multiple links."

NOT A SINGLE LINK you posted made your claim or backed it up in the slightest - BECAUSE YOUR CLAIM IS RIDICULOUS.

"It's not my fault you couldn't understand them."

What is to understand? Either your links state "The top 0.1% received over 50% of the Trump Tax cut" OR THE DON'T - and in this case THEY DON'T because it is a ridiculous claim.

"You posted an article admitting the top 1% got roughly 83% of the tax cuts."

Lie again -------. I never posted that. The link I posted was to the top 5% and it was not 83% of the tax cuts. Again - do you ever tell the truth?

"That means if the .1% got just 60% of the cuts for the top 1%...that means the top .1% got MORE THAN HALF"
#222 | Posted by Danforth"

When you base your assumption on an outright lie - of course your liberal-retard math makes sense TO YOU. The top 5% got 45% of the tax cuts. That is the real number as I posted many times. You can then use your liberal-retard math to claim 100% capital gains cuts on stocks went to the top 0.1% (which is also ridiculous) but even that does not even get you close.

When you type such stupid ----, I can only imagine you are sitting in your mom's basement, 3 days old skidmarked whitey-tighties, foaming at the mouth, and wearing a custom built tinfoil hat.

"Implying that it has seen links.
#223 | Posted by LampLighter"

I can post links that DON'T back up his point. I cannot link you to a SINGLE LINK that does back it up (as he cannot either) because NO SINGLE LINK exists. His claim is that ridiculous.

@#222 ... but I get it: you don't understand the underlying math. ...

In my view, it is either that, or that current alias is throwing all it can against the wall to discuss anything besides the topic of the thread it had posted.

I tried to pull this thread back on topic in #211, but was not successful.

So that then leads me to ask, what is the kryptonite on this thread's topic that makes that current lame alias so adverse to discussing a thread that it had created?

"#226 | Posted by LampLighter"

And...you are back to ignore status. I gave you a chance -------.

@#225 ... I can post links that DON'T back up his point.

Yet your current lame alias does not.

In spite of multiple requests.

Troll much?

@#227 ... And...you are back to ignore status. ...

Huh?

Got a translation of that into English?

... I gave you a chance -------. ...

When all else fails, revert to the ad hominem attack.

So lame.

"you base your assumption on an outright lie"

According to who? Grok? Your GIGO buddy?

When the inputs are corrupt, the outputs are worthless.

"According to who? Grok?
#230 | Posted by Danforth"

According to the fact that you cannot find a SINGLE LINK to back up your ridiculous claim, even using the ------- crazy liberals on BlueSky.

I brought math.

You don't understand the equation. If 1% gets 83% of the tax cuts, it's not a stretch to concede the top .1% gets over 50%.

Regardless, the bottom line argument is WE'RE BORROWING TRILLIONS TO GIVE AWAY IN TAX CUTS TO THE WORLD'S WEALTHIEST.

Are you FOR that tax bill, or AGAINST that tax bill? Are you FOR OR AGAINST borrowing Trillions more, just to give more than half of it away in tax cuts?

In a related question:

If you're running a deficit budget, and you renew expiring tax cuts...

...does that represent 100% new borrowing? Yes or No?

===

Since they answer is YES...do you support this new tax bill, which will borrow trillions and trillions more, mainly to give away in tax cuts?

"You don't understand the equation. If 1% gets 83% of the tax cuts, it's not a stretch to concede the top .1% gets over 50%."

The top 1% does not get 83%. The top 5% gets 45%. Stop lying.

taxpolicycenter.org

So we are dealing in a fact-based world, their estimate for the Top 0.1% is 9.5% - a metric ------- away from your 'more the 50%' claim. So again, stop lying.

"Regardless, the bottom line argument is WE'RE BORROWING TRILLIONS TO GIVE AWAY IN TAX CUTS TO THE WORLD'S WEALTHIEST.
#232 | Posted by Danforth"

Well, if you would have kept your claim solely at that and not lied about the top 0.1% getting over 50% of the tax cut, we would not be having this argument. But, you chose to lie - and here we are.

"#233 | Posted by Danforth"

Whether I support the bill or not has zero to do with the fact that you lied, got caught, and continue lying to this day.

"Whether I support the bill or not has zero to do"

Then answer the direct question, directly.

" you lied,"

I told the truth. You didn't understand the math. You still don't.

And it's still not my fault.

Back to the issue at hand: The richest get the bulk of the tax cuts, all newly borrowed debt. Are you FOR it, or AGAINST it?

Are you FOR it, or AGAINST it?

It would be faster to just ask Grok yourself. :-)

"Are you FOR it, or AGAINST it?"

I can't get a single Republican to go on record. Why won't those deficit hawks state whether or not borrowing $4 Trillion to give over half to the world's wealthiest 1% is a GOOD idea, or a BAD idea?

I mean, if you're borrowing money to pay your bills every month, that's not good...but if a subscription for $50/mo is expiring, well, renewing it while you're running a deficit budget represents 100% new borrowing.

"You didn't understand the math. You still don't.
#237 | Posted by Danforth"

NO ONE outside of you understands YOUR math. I just gave you the link - the top 0.1% got 9.5% of the tax cuts. Now, tell the class how you gross that up to over 50%? Was the actual tax cut 90% larger than what was stated and the entire additional 90% went straight to the top 0.1% and you are the only one who knows about this extra 90%? I ask as that is the only way 'the math' works.

How many people do you think analyzed the tax cuts? What % of those were far leftists loons willing to stretch the truth to make Trump look bad? And yet, not even those ------- crazy leftists come up with a number anywhere near yours. Not even a single unattributed comment on BlueSky.

Again, absolutely ridiculous and the fact you keep defending it just makes you look pathetic and dumb. Just admit you lied and move on.

"Are you FOR it, or AGAINST it?
#237 | Posted by Danforth"

I am perfectly fine with holding tax rates exactly as they are today so long as it is accompanied by a 20% across the board cut in government spending. A tax cut without a reduction in spending will bring more revenue out in time but will make our near deficit worse, so we need to immediately address the spending issue. So, my position is hold revenue flat, then cut spending 20% across the board. Index spending increases to inflation and no new spending without an equal offset cut to other programs. So, a 'hard cap' on spending.

I think this position is entirely reasonable - which is why Democrats will reject it.

"I just gave you the link "

And, once again, your link isn't what you think it is. It completely leaves out foreign investors. They got 15% of the tax cuts...more than American workers got.

Why is it EVERY bit of math you barf up is incomplete or misleading???

I'm done with your GIGO conclusions. You're clearly feeding garbage into the AI prompts.

@#240 ... NO ONE outside of you understands YOUR math ...

Just because your current trolling alias seems to be unable to understand it, please do not ascribe its ignorance to all others.

20% across the board cut in government spending.

If you cut the Pentagon budget by $200 Billion how is Lewzer going to build his Golden Dome missile defense, his new F-55 super fighters, and retrofit Bribe Force One?.

"I am perfectly fine with holding tax rates exactly as they are today so long as it is accompanied by a 20% across the board cut in government spending."

Well, the latter isn't going to happen, so we're going to have to borrow those trillions, PLUS INTEREST. Now...are you FOR this tax bill, or AGAINST it?

"I think this position is entirely reasonable - which is why Democrats will reject it."

Pick up a history book, ffs. Republicans rejected it, when Dubya and Cheney reset America's fiscal sights from Surplusville to Debtsylvania.

@#242 ... Why is it EVERY bit of math you barf up is incomplete or misleading??? ...

I'd have a different question ...

More along the lines of ....

Why does EVERY bit of math your current trolling alias barfs up seem to be intentionally misleading?

But, that's just me.

YMMV, and all that.

@#244

A rational question on this thread.

Wow.

My answer: I wish I knew.

@#241 ... I am perfectly fine with holding tax rates exactly as they are today ...

So, keeping Pres Trump's prior tax cuts for the uber-wealthy in place?

"And, once again, your link isn't what you think it is. It completely leaves out foreign investors. They got 15% of the tax cuts...more than American workers got."

GREAT!

So, we take this 15% for foreign investors AND assume the foreign investors were solely part of the 0.1% (ridiculous, I know) and add that to the 9.5% they received directly and .... we are at 24.5%. So, are you now arguing 24.5% is more than half? I know you are dumb - but, you can't be that dumb - can you?

"Why is it EVERY bit of math you barf up is incomplete or misleading???
#242 | Posted by Danforth"

The only thing incomplete is you showing your work ------- as the numbers don't match your claims. So, explain your math again - I will give you full credit for 24.5% as listed above (and that is being VERY generous). So, where is the extra 25.5% the top 0.1% getting?

My answer: I wish I knew.

And I left out funding for the new Iran War he just started.

" the 9.5% they received directly "

OMFG. You're conflating the PERCENTAGE tax cut with the AMOUNT realized, dumfuq.

I'm done with your moron math. Your garbage sources are leading you to garbage conclusions.

@#251 ... I'm done with your moron math. Your garbage sources are leading you to garbage conclusions. ...

Yeah, that's about where I am on this thread.

No longer wanting to feed the troll.

The ---- pore excretions it has posted to this most august site have apparently tried to diminish the credibility of this site.

Perhaps that was intentional.

When I look at ...

Drudge Retort
mediabiasfactcheck.com

and compare that to

Fox News (foxnews.com)
mediabiasfactcheck.com

The two are now rated the same. But a couple three weeks ago, drudge.com was rated a notch above FoxNews on the credibility scale.

So, possibly, the current trolling scotts alias was successful in what it might have been hired to do?

Who knows?

"OMFG. You're conflating the PERCENTAGE tax cut with the AMOUNT realized, dumfuq."

Please light up your ignorance in neon lights -------. I am quoting directly from the chart based on THE % OF THE TOTAL BENEFIT - NOT TAX RATE CHANGE.

taxpolicycenter.org
To make it clear to -------s like yourself, it is the column titled "Share Of Total Federal Tax Change"

Here is the breakdown reproduced for you:
top 80-90% = 10.1%
top 90-95% = 9%
top 95-99% = 21.6%
top 1% = 23.5%
top 0.1% = 9.5%

This means, the top 5% received 21.6% + 23.5% = 45.1% of the total tax benefits. This CLEARLY STATES the % that went to the top 0.1% - it is 9.5% of the total tax cut. I can't fix stupid but I still try with you.

So, you want to admit you ------ up, AGAIN?

Maybe you should use this opportunity to state you misread the original chart all along which is why you have been lying for the last 3 months.

"I'm done with your moron math. Your garbage sources are leading you to garbage conclusions.
#251 | Posted by Danforth"

LOL. Your problem is no longer math - it is reading comprehension on charts and graphs. But again, just admit you lied originally and now you ------ UP with this latest comment.