All those ------- liberals on here saying that Americans won't do those jobs are proven 100% wrong, AGAIN. Also, you can see from this raid that blaming the employer is not the solution as they are using the government programs that are designed to be easy for illegals to circumvent.

Trump is doing what needed to be done for 30 years - he closed the border and is ridding the country of the illegals that cost WAY WAY more than what they contribute in unskilled labor.

There is between 1M-4M undocumented children in the US K-12 public schools. That costs the nation between $18B and $75B in spending on their education alone - throw in the health care and law enforcement and they are a giant sinkhole in the economy.

Lastly, and my biggest reason for 100% deporting 100% of the illegals - THEY SUPPRESS WAGES. We have people out of the workforce and working poor BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGALS. Flooding the job market with millions of unskilled illegals hurts the most vulnerable Americans.

"Won't stop yer bois from ICE from putting the boot to their necks...
#3 | Posted by Angrydad"

We can only hope. The faster they are gone, the faster we get American wages up and people off of welfare.

"Increasing the costs will increase the price."

Labor costs go up a bit but are offset by rapidly declining energy prices. Meanwhile, rent prices decrease as 10M illegals are kicked out of the country and we save hundreds of billions on welfare, public schools, law enforcement, etc. So, prices will go DOWN.

"And deporting field workers will create shortages, causing edible produce to rot in the fields."
#5 | Posted by Danforth"

If the farmer was wholly reliant on illegals to harvest their crops, they deserve to go bankrupt. Your logic is akin to saying that we cannot arrest drug dealers because it would hurt the new car market.

"#7 | Posted by Danforth"

Nope - I want 100% deported. Literally every other industrialized nation on earth is able to figure this out except for the US because American workers are screwed over by big corporations and Democrats (now, they are the same thing). We can have a legal work permit program for foreign workers which denies birthright citizenship and forbids their kids from using the public schools and other public services.

"Wholly?!? Once again, you're using 100% and you're wrong. A 25% reduction could be the difference between profit and loss. A 50% reduction would almost guarantee rotting crops.
#10 | Posted by Danforth"

If the farmer had 25-50% of illegals working, again, they deserve to go bankrupt. Their use of illegal labor has distorted market prices. This impacts the farmers that do things the right way and also stunts automation. While the farmer makes profit, society losses BILLIONS. Yes, I am willing to pay $0.50 more for my lettuce if it means the public school decline stops and we can afford medical care for poor Americans.

Let's bring some actual math to this discuss - basically, liberal talkpoint Kryptonite:

The average strawberry picker can pick between 80-120 pounds of strawberries per hour.
The average strawberry picker wage in California is $16.71/hour.
That means the labor cost for strawberries is between $0.14 and $0.20 per pound.

The average price per pound of strawberries in the US is between $3-$4/pound.
That means the picker labor component as a % of the strawberry price is between 3.5% - 7.0%.

If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour and the grocery stores and farmers passed on 100% of the labor cost to customers, the cost of strawberries would increase to $3.20 - $4.14 per pound.

If we cannot get Americans to pick strawberries for $33.42/hour - an annualized wage of $69,500 (assuming no overtime or weekends) - then we can start to bring in guest workers with the conditions that I mentioned above. However, if we cannot get Americans at that price, it is due to having too good of a welfare state.

"Medical care for poor Americans is OVER."

Ever get tired of lying?

"The new BBB is going to cut hundreds of billions from Medicaid.
#14 | Posted by Danforth"

Get rid of fraud and abuse and medicaid costs go down. Stop providing care to children of illegals, and costs go down. Stop illegals from suppressing US wages and there are less poor people needing medicaid.

The only thing Americans have said goodbye to are emergency rooms in the US as the flood of illegals are bankrupted the business. A big reason why US medical care is so unaffordable for the middle class is the illegals directly using emergency services vs. standard hospital care.

""Yes, I am willing to pay $0.50 more for my lettuce"
You're an idiot if you think that's all it's going to cost. Stop using Republican Math.
#14 | Posted by Danforth"

I have provided the math on strawberries - show me your math on lettuce -------. Prove me wrong. How much is the cost of lettuce going to increase?

"Where are the billions of Payroll taxes paid into the system?
#20 | Posted by Danforth"

The estimated $30B they contribute? That is a drop in the bucket compared to the K-12 school costs alone. California spend ~$4B on illegals medicaid last year - how much do you think the total spend was nationwide?

Illegals are a net drag on the economy and it is not even close - and this is before you take into account the societal costs such as suppressing wages for US workers and turning the public schools into failure factories.

"#23 | Posted by REDIAL"

Well, when you cannot argue with actual math or logic, you can just continue to post as you have been. BTW, I think Canada is starting to kick out the -------------- on expiring visas. First logical thing Mexico North has done in years.

As you ------- are too stupid and/or scared to post the number for lettuce:

The average lettuce picker can pick 800 pounds of lettuce per hour (machine assisted with mix of iceberg and romaine).
The average lettuce picker wage in California is $16.71/hour.
That means the labor cost for lettuce is $0.02 per pound.

The average price per pound of lettuce in the US is between $1.3-$3/pound.
That means the picker labor component as a % of the lettuce price is between 0.7% - 1.4%.

If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour and the grocery stores and farmers passed on 100% of the labor cost to customers, the cost of lettuce would increase to $1.52 - $3.02 per pound.

So there you have it - a grand total of $0.02/lb of lettuce and we can be illegal alien free. I 100% support that.

"There's ample evidence to back that up.
#25 | Posted by LauraMohr"

There are no communities thriving with illegals in the US. ----, there aren't even thriving communities within their own home countries - which is why they come here illegally and drag down our economy.

"Regardless, you left it out of the equation, meaning you're either a math moron or a gaslighter.
#28 | Posted by Danforth"

I didn't include it because I just touched on a few of the items. Nowhere did I say it was a comprehensive list - that is something you are adding now because you lose every argument you have with me, so it is easier for you to make ---- up and claim victory.

It is estimated that illegals suppress US wages by $80-$120B annually - and that was based on 2016 when the number of illegals was much lower.

Even for our native (non-illegal) Hispanics in the US, their net lifetime contribution is -$86,847 per household - the illegals drain way, way more than that.

"If we were to double wages to $33.42 per hour "
And who is going to drive to the growing fields every day to harvest?"

If Americans are unwilling to work for $70,000 harvesting crops (which I don't think will be the case), then the case for automation just becomes greater and the need for labor is reduced. Even in the case of lettuce pickers - the semi-automated process doubles the output per worker. So, increase automation and labor needs are greatly reduced so even if you cannot replace workers 1:1 at $33.42/hour, it does not matter because the need is less.

Second, if the above proves impossible - which is won't - you use guest worker programs with limited rights (like no birthright citizenship for their kids or access to public schools). You know Germany grows lettuce too - right? They get Eastern Europeans to pick it for 12 Euro/hour. ----, we could probably import white German citizen to pick in California for $33.42/hour.

"Every equation you reference is employing fantasy: American workers WILL show up
#31 | Posted by Danforth"

As proven in the article linked - THEY DO! What part of that don't you understand? If some ------- lazy deepblue -------- dweller wants welfare because they refuse to move/work for $33.42/hour - they can starve on the street.

"#32 | Posted by Danforth"

Well, I give you credit for at least taking off the mask now and dropping your prior line - "I want to control immigration by punishing the employers" - it is 100% clear that you want your brown slave labor regardless of how much it hurts working class Americans. Lettuce being $0.02/lb more is unacceptable to you even if you would save $3000+ in taxes supporting illegals and the displaced American workers. Talk about being a financial illiterate. You have outdone yourself this time.

This is why the Democrats are at 20% approval and Trump is winning on the immigration issue. Deport them all - you will thank us in 10 years when we don't need a welfare state any longer.

"Do tell us why this administration is not prosecuting businesses that are hiring the undocumented workers?
dynamichr.com
#37 | Posted by Nixon"

It is already answered in the article -------:

"Every employee at Glenn Valley Foods, including those who were detained by ICE, has been approved through E-Verify, Hartmann said. When he told this to DHS during the raid, an agency official described the system they operate as flawed and easy to cheat."

"All that requires is a living wage from Corporations.
#61 | Posted by Corky"

Which you get by kicking out the illegals that are suppressing US wages...try to keep up -------.

"My point is, and has always been, both sides attack the symptom"

Nope - your mask is off now -------. You want the illegals here and you don't considered them a problem at all. In your next sentence you prove that point for me.

"My answer is, and has always been, to accept and embrace reality: these folks are part of the fabric of America. I say treat them with dignity, and let them come out of the shadows. And DEFINITELY educate and vaccinate their kids.
#43 | Posted by Danforth"

So, you don't want to send them back and enforce immigration laws. I guess you can keep lying and say that you want enforcement as you lie about everything else but your words show your desire.

I don't want to educate or vaccinate their kids. I want their kids, and the parents, back in their home country. I don't want them out of the shadows - I want the threat of deportation to hang over their heads like the sword of Damocles so they self deport and others do not attempt to cross the border. This is how every other civilized country handles illegal immigrants and yet, their lettuce still gets picked. You Democrats and Globo-Homo has destroyed the US enough - we are finally fixing what you intentionally broke.

"#64 | Posted by Danforth"

Nope, they are ALL going back. No exceptions.

"#66 | Posted by Danforth"

They broke the law and should be treated like the criminals they are. The 'due process' nonsense you can shove back in your ass where you pulled it out from originally. YOU WANT THEM HERE. Just say it and stop trying to make nonsense arguments. You don't care about due process. You don't care about blaming the employers - YOU WANT THEM HERE.

"This country would totally collapse if that occurred. Just sayin
#68 | Posted by LauraMohr"

This country IS collapsing BECAUSE OF THEM. Not 100% because of them, but the permanent underclass of unskilled American workers is rapidly growing as public schools and government services collapse. The social cohesion of the US is evaporating as well.

Send 100% back - no exceptions.

"Oh, wait! Only three of the big five, exceptions. Or four. Or two. Or three.
What day of the week is it???
#76 | Posted by Danforth"

You really need to stop believing the trash reporting of the fake news. You haven't learned yet that they lie to you constantly? You believe WWF is real too dipshit?

They are all going back. Over 1M self-deportations already. With fines for overstays and illegals that choose not to leave, the enforcement is going to keep ramping up. The single biggest deportation action in US history.

"#80 | Posted by LauraMohr"

Laura, a big reason why you failed in life and are poor now is due to illegals taking jobs and suppressing wages. You were never skilled and educated - you were never going to do coding at Google. But, you are in farm country and could have had a middle class lifestyle if it were not for the illegals flooding whole industries. Just think, if you worked in ag, you probably would not have become so obese as it is physical work. Your t-levels would have been much higher - and a majority of your health issues never would have happened.

Now, you played a huge role in this with your own decisions - but, you were dealt a losing hand because of the illegals flooding into your area. Do you really want the same thing to happen to the next generation of Americans? Surely, you have nieces and nephews facing the same losing hand.

"#80 | Posted by LauraMohr"

And I apologize for being harsh in my comments - but this is live or die time for America and we must all make a choice. We saw the liberal visions - riots, burning cities, lawlessness, drug addiction - that is what they want for you. Just tax some billionaire and then lock the lower class in their 200sft studio apartment in a deep blue shithole city with some minimal UBI creating a permanent underclass by making them drug addicted and taking away their opportunities.

Trump offers a different vision - he is the ONLY ONE offering a different vision.

"#85 | Posted by Danforth"

Now you are whining about the order of the people getting deported? Yet another fake outrage from the dipshit Dems that WANT THE ILLEGALS HERE.

I don't give 2 shits if the people on the deportation busses are illegal abuelas or violent wife beating gang members like 'Maryland Man'. So long as all the seats are filled and the busses keep rolling until they are all gone, I don't care about the priority.

"#87 | Posted by Zed"

You are safely living in Canada cosplaying as a Texan online. Your flood is not from illegals - it is the Indian 'street shitters' that Trudeau brought in that you need to deal with. Why don't you leave American politics to Americans?

""Now you are whining about the order of the people getting deported?"
When the order was part of a campaign promise? Yes.
#91 | Posted by Danforth"

Let me get this straight - you are whining about a 'broken' campaign promise by the candidate YOU DID NOT VOTE FOR...did I get that right?

I voted for them all going back - and that is what I am getting. There was no broken campaign promise and all policies need to update as Democrats rolled out their activist judges. Adults understand this.

"Are you actually pretending you wouldn't have held Harris to her campaign promises?!?
#95 | Posted by Danforth"

Harris promised to destroy the nation. I would be cheering every campaign promise she broke. You are having quite the opposite reaction. So, cry more dipshit.

"#94 | Posted by jpw"

Show us all that big brain of yours that landed you that lush job of washing beakers at $15/hr.

How much would the price of price of lettuce increase if we doubled wages to over $33/hr?

Also, as a bonus question - do you think Americans would pick lettuce at over $33/hr or let the crops rot in the field?

"#102 | Posted by Danforth"

Okay dipshit - time for you to prove you are just as bad at cost accounting as you are at tax accounting.

How much would the price of lettuce increase if picker wages were doubled to $33/hr. Show your work.

"Perhaps that the wages American workers get would be too expensive for our food supply chain to absorb without tremendously increasing inflation?
#107 | Posted by LampLighter"

Well, how on earth would anyone know the answer to that question? Oh! I know, we could FUCKING CALCULATE IT - exactly as I did above. It would add $0.02 of cost to a pound of lettuce. Would that break the bank and make it too expensive? You are back on ignore until you can actually demonstrate an ability to reason dipshit.

"Based on what? Your Brigadoon, or reality?
#108 | Posted by Danforth"

How about basic cost accounting principles, dipshit? Like, we look at production per worker per hour and then divide by the labor cost per hour. All of these numbers are known - labor cost for lettuce pickers is $0.02/lb. I did the calculation for you already. So, unless you want to show some actual math, just keep your retarded opinions to yourself.

"#112 | Posted by BellRinger"

And just like after the Civil War, automation will make the US the most productive country once again. For cotton, by 1880, the US was producing more cotton than before the war and they did this without slaves. Also, overall, the price of cotton did not increase. History will repeat again.

"Yep. A 6.7% increase.
#123 | Posted by Danforth"

That 6.7% is for strawberries because it is not automated the same as lettuce. Lettuce would increase $0.02/lb or 1.3% - and that is before even better automation is implemented.

"#130 | Posted by LampLighter"

Because the higher labor costs per hour will be offset by a higher level of automation and decreasing fuel costs. So the price consumers pay will not change. On the flipside, their public schools will function again, their health and social services will not be bankrupted, and wages for all working class Americans will increase and lessen their need to use welfare.

On the automation question - a worker harvesting lettuce doubles their production when using automation with the current automation process. Thus, you will see the farmers not automating today switch to automation in order to compete with the higher labor costs. Their cost per lb of harvested lettuce drops from $0.04 to $0.02 with automation.

It is almost like all you dipshit liberals missed the point of the industrial revolution.

"#132 | Posted by LampLighter"

I listed the inputs above. If you want to challenge and update them, be my guest. Or, you can do your usual song and dance which is why you are typically ignored on this website.

"Now compound that with a shortage of workers. What's your range of spike?
#131 | Posted by Danforth"

Why would there be a worker shortage? The cost increase is predicated on a doubling of wages. Now, if you want to claim that Americans WILL NOT do ag work for $70,000/year - just say that. I think it is a retarded position to take but you do you.

"That wasn't what your own numbers said.
#136 | Posted by Danforth"

A $0.02/pound increase dipshit. I was using broad averages. Whichever number you take as the starting point, doubling waged would add $0.02/pound. I had a typo on the original $1.30 which should have read $1.50 but any normal person can figure that out as I laid of the math for the labor component for you. But again, seeing how you lose every argument you have with me - I can see you parade this typo around like you actually achieved something.

"Higher automation leads to INCREASING fuel costs.
#139 | Posted by Danforth"

Fuel CONSUMPTION increases as automation increase. Fuel prices DECREASE due to Trump's energy policies. Hard for you to take on 2 ideas at the same time dipshit? Like the fact that lettuce costs go up by $0.02/lb but we save BILLIONS in services that the illegals use?

"And Americans are expected to, what...drive to California to harvest?
#141 | Posted by Danforth"

Okay - so you are on the record stating that Americans won't do ag work for over $33/hour...got it. At what wage do you think they would do the ag work? Under my scenario, these guys are more than doubling JWP wages despite his crippling debt and wasted life in school. What is the rate at which Americans would be able to fully replace the Mexican illegals? It is not like we did not have lettuce before 1985 or we did not have houses built - Americans do actually work.

"Not without due process. Again, if Biden...pieces of your exploded head would be found in Wisconsin.
#148 | Posted by Danforth"

If Biden deported illegals aliens without due process - not a single MAGA would have made a peep. We would be cheering that the mush-brained pedophile finally did something beneficial for the United States.

"I'm saying they won't drive to Modesto from, say, St. Louis. Do you disagree?
#149 | Posted by Danforth"

So now your argument is switching to it is unreasonable to expect people to relocate to where there are actually jobs?

"#151 | Posted by LauraMohr"

There is a worker shortage because the wages are suppressed by an endless flood of illegals. You even see this with the illegal Mexicans not wanting to work for the low wages so the companies start hiring illegal Guatemalans or Hondurans. The one thing certain is that there is a ton of piss poor people that would gladly undercut US wages. The solution is to end the supply of illegals and let wages and prices reset to a legal market price (not based on illegal labor). Again, the societal benefit vastly outweighs any price increase.

Let's look at the cost accounting for a beef processing plant.

The calculation is between .01-.03 labor hours per lb of beef. The average beef processing plant worker makes $17.39 in Nebraska.

This means the labor component in a pound of beef is between $0.17 and $0.52/lb.

Average fresh beef (all beef) in the US is $8.15/lb so the processing plant labor component is 2.1% - 6.4%. So, your price of beef would increase by 2.1% - 6.4% if wages were doubled to $35/hr - and I will note the range of .01 - .03 takes into account the level of automation. The highly automated plants are already at the 2.1% rate. Doubling wages would simply force the remaining plants to bring their automation in line with the competition.

The liberal dipshits seem to think cows milked themselves and the US lacked all fruits and vegetables prior to the mass illegal migration starting in the 80's.

I will give you some evidence from my own story. I used to bale hay in the summers during high school and college. As some of you may have noticed - summer breaks align with planting/harvest season by design because the labor used to be provided by the family.

The farmer that I worked for then moved to hiring Mexicans to do the work (many of whom I suspect were illegals).

After they started to demand too much money, he automated to a 'kicker' baler eliminating the need for the hired labor.

Farmers have endless automation options - but, they will stick to using low priced labor as long as it is available and accepted.

You see this is the midwest with custom combines where a lot of farmers don't even own equipment anymore - they hire it out. But, because of the flood of cheap illegals, California has not kept pace.

"I'll take How To Flunk Econ 101
#163 | Posted by Danforth"

It seems that you already studied that in college when you weren't wasting your time blowing your fellow interpretive dance majors.

"Meaning if wages were doubled, the component might raise the cost by up to 6.4%.
Who is pretending this wouldn't cause a price spike???
#166 | Posted by Danforth"

An increase from 2.1%-6.5% is a 'price spike' now? Dipshit - that is like 3 months of Biden inflation and I didn't see you whining then.

You are only whining now because your illegals are GOING BACK.

"Back when the square bale was a thing - me too. My dad's family also had watermelon farms and I spent a month out of the year hauling them things too.
#172 | Posted by lfthndthrds"

I spent my summers on the back of a wagon hooking hay in 90 degree heat and 90% humidity - covered in chaff that stuck to your entire body due to being sweat soaked - all for a whopping $7/hour. And you know what? Most fun job I ever had. We ran our own crews - solved our own problems - and just focused on getting the hay baled before it rained. A perfectly stacked 6 high wagon was a badge of honor.

The problem is the lazy liberals on here all grew up in shithole blue cities. They never even mowed a lawn much less did an honest days work. But of Bernie Sanders.

"Econ? I was actually the TA.
#179 | Posted by Danforth"

You were the 'tits and ass' for the professor? Yeah, I guess I can see that.

But, why pretend you have any economic education when you prove daily that you don't? I so thoroughly exposed you as a fake 'tax-preparer' that I am surprised you even stick to this persona. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would even want to cosplay as a 'tax-preparer' but that is a question for another day.

""An increase from 2.1%-6.5% is a 'price spike' now? "
Two years of inflation overnight? YES, dumfuq.
#182 | Posted by Danforth"

2 years of inflation? Joe Biden gave you 9.9% food inflation in 2022. So, like I said, 2.1% is like 3 months under Biden - and yet, we didn't hear you whining then.