Border Facts

Tuesday, March 05, 2024

The US/Mexico border is +/-2000 miles long. Much of it is practically unpassable by humans... There more than 16,000 agents working the US/Mexico border. That's at least 8 agents per mile of border. Although, I would assume most of them are concentrated at ports-of-entry and trouble spots. With such a concentration of agents, plus barriers, plus surveillance measures, I'm having difficulty understanding why this is such a difficult problem. Is this actually a security crisis, or is it mostly political BS? I'm sure this will change no minds. It's just some thoughts to ponder. And an interesting website.

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Border agents are being used to process migrants. They aren't on the border.

Plus you're assuming they can all be there 24/7/365.

BTW: Biden administration has flown at least 320,000 migrants into the United States.

Granting a parole status with work authorization.

Good times ahead.

#1 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 12:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Border agents are being used to process migrants. They aren't on the border.

#1 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Well that's a lie. Many Border agents actually do patrol the border. If you had ever been to south Texas, you'd know that and see them.

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-05 12:56 PM | Reply

It occurs to me that facts are chasing Conservatives like ONERAT constantly but they run away so much faster.

#3 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-05 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Many Border agents actually do patrol the border.
- sycophant

Of course some do, but sometimes they get pulled.

PHOENIX (AP) " So many migrants are crossing from Mexico into the United States around remote Lukeville, Arizona, that U.S. officials say they will close the port of entry there so that the operations officials who watch over vehicle and pedestrian traffic going both ways can help Border Patrol agents arrest and process the new arrivals.
www.pbs.org

Then the migrants stream across the "closed border" because no one is manning the entry.

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:07 PM | Reply

#3 funny how you talk about facts but ignore Biden flying in migrants with out asylum.

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:08 PM | Reply

Just in case you were wondering...

www.12news.com

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:10 PM | Reply

I think the most telling recent thing I've read about the "border crisis" was when the god's army convoy got there and the people that were a part of it were shocked to see that is was nothing like they had been told. And the locals were more worried about the Trump supporters than the migrants.

The "God's Army" convoy was supposed to be a mighty force of 700,000 or more people from every corner of America. It wound up being maybe a couple hundred vehicles parked at a rural ranch in Quemado, Texas " basically a Trump rally without a Trump, but with plenty of hucksters selling MAGA merch and grifting the easily grifted.

Some actually visited the border in nearby Eagle Pass, Texas, and were surprised to not witness the invasion they had been promised.

Convoy-goer Misty Gregory told MSNBC: "It's not what I expected, but then again I don't know what I expected. I can tell you it's not as bad as what I thought, so that's kind of eye-opening in itself."

Abbott and about a dozen other pro-razor-wire GOP governors were in Eagle Pass on Sunday, hollering and whatnot. Some residents said the recent invasion of Trump supporters from the convoy had been downright scary.

"We are constantly being told that we're being invaded, and that never felt true until today, when the convoy came to town in anticipation of the governors' event," Jessie F. Fuentes told WOAI NBC News Channel 4. "This is political theater by outsiders. The reality is that it has brought dangerous, violent groups into our beautiful, peaceful city. Eagle Pass is safer than most cities in America if you look at crime statistics. This is just a fact. We don't appreciate these staged events that dramatically misrepresent our reality on the border and that invite extremist groups that pose a real danger to people in our community."

www.usatoday.com

#7 | Posted by qcp at 2024-03-05 01:11 PM | Reply

Border agents are being used to process migrants.
#1 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Link?

From the site:

"The bulk of this money goes to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). With a budget of $17.5 billion in fiscal year 2023 and more than 63,000 personnel, CBP is the largest law enforcement agency in the country, and more than 85 percent of the agency's Border Patrol agents (i.e., 16,878 of 19,648) are concentrated on the southern border."

So I would assume that many of those 63,000 employees are being used to process migrants, while the other 16 - 20 thousand agents are still working the actual borders. Even with shifts and time off, I think there should be enough agents for coverage.

This is an exercise in thought. Not an exercise in pulling excuses out of your posterior.

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 01:12 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Didn't say that border was completely void of border patrol agents.

You morons can't figure out that Border Patrol agents are used to process migrants and being pulled from the border just have your head in the sands.

#9 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:16 PM | Reply

Again Whatsleft ignores Biden flying in 300000+ migrants into the country.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:17 PM | Reply

If you had ever been to south Texas, you'd know that and see them.
#2 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Eagle Pass is in Texas, right?

We talk about there being no border patrol agents on patrol because they're all processing migrants, but in all seriousness, this email to agents in Eagle Pass last night shows not one agent is on patrol!
twitter.com

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:19 PM | Reply

Not an exercise in pulling excuses out of your posterior.

#8 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Seems like you and Sycophant are the only ones pulling excuses out of your posteriors.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:20 PM | Reply

Without proof ONEIRONAUT claims that the 16000 agents ARE NOT working at the border.

And then ONEIRONAUT fails to acknowledge that these 320000 were migrants who followed the rules by applying for asylum through the CBP One app, before entering the US.

Trumpers only know how to do half truths and lies. For Trumpers, no reform will be good enough unless Trump wins in November.

Instead of this BS, why don't you call Mike Johnson and tell him to bring bipartisan immigration reform up for a vote?

#13 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 01:34 PM | Reply

It occurs to me that facts are chasing Conservatives like ONERAT constantly but they run away so much faster.
#3 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Seems like you're running away faster.

#14 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:35 PM | Reply

Without proof ONEIRONAUT claims that the 16000 agents ARE NOT working at the border.
~ WhatLeft

This is false, I claimed Border patrol agents were processing.

And then ONEIRONAUT fails to acknowledge that these 320000 were migrants who followed the rules by applying for asylum through the CBP One app, before entering the US.

They aren't applying asylum, its a parole program they have two years and work authorization.

#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:36 PM | Reply

Trumpers only know how to do half truths and lies.
~ Whatleft

Only person being dishonest with half truths and lies is you.

Nothing about Eagle Pass? Nothing about Lukeville proving my point that Border patrol agents are being pulled to process?

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:38 PM | Reply

The program was part of Biden's expansion of the CBP One app, which kicked off at the start of last year.

Migrants were able, under Biden's expansion, to apply for asylum using the app from their home countries.

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 01:40 PM | Reply

agents are being pulled to process?

#16 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Okay, serious question... If that's true, who is pulling them? And since the CBP already has another 40,000 employees besides agents, why?

I expect an answer with an actual and reliable link/source.

#18 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 01:44 PM | Reply

#17

Incorrect, they apply for the parole program
The parole program allows for two-year periods of legal status during which adults are eligible for work authorization

Here is what CBPOne app does ... .

CBP One app to schedule appointments at land ports of entry
www.cbp.gov

Keep swinging Whatsleft.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:46 PM | Reply

If that's true, who is pulling them? And since the CBP already has another 40,000 employees besides agents, why?

If true? research yourself what happened at EaglePass and Lukeville.

Why? Because all hands are on deck "processing" migrants rather than stopping illegal entry, that's why.

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:48 PM | Reply

" Instead of this BS, why don't you call Mike Johnson and tell him to bring bipartisan immigration reform up for a vote?

#13 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2024-03-05 01:34 PM | FLAG: "

The House passed a border security bill almost a year ago yet it's been collecting dust on Schumer's desk.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-05 01:49 PM | Reply

IAMRUNT cheered as his child-raping hero snuffed out migrant toddlers.

www.newsweek.com

#22 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-05 01:49 PM | Reply

Alaska National Guard to head to border for rotation to help U.S. Customs, Border Patrol
mustreadalaska.com

Crazy right ...

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:51 PM | Reply

The House passed a border security bill almost a year ago yet it's been collecting dust on Schumer's desk.

#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Another FACT Syncophant, and WhatLeft run away from.

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-05 01:52 PM | Reply

The Repugs killed the border bill like it was a Guatemalan infant in one of Trump's concentration camps.

www.newsweek.com

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-05 01:57 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I guess we all need to start asking for a "link" every time you ------ comment.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 01:57 PM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Yeah, partisan governors in a-----------. What a surprise.

#27 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 01:58 PM | Reply

Border agents are being used to process migrants. They aren't on the border.
#1 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT
Well that's a lie. Many Border agents actually do patrol the border. If you had ever been to south Texas, you'd know that and see them.
#2 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
Of course some do, but sometimes they get pulled.
#4 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Damn...I didn't realize you could go in reverse that fast...

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-05 01:59 PM | Reply

#21

The bill to be presented a few weeks ago was BIPARTISAN. Why did Trump stop it?

#29 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 02:00 PM | Reply

The House passed a border security bill almost a year ago yet it's been collecting dust on Schumer's desk.
#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
Another FACT Syncophant, and WhatLeft run away from.
#24 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Many of the provisions were rolled into the new Border bill...that Republicans were FOR before they were AGAINST.

Any more lies and half truths to toss out?

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-05 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alaska National Guard to head to border for rotation to help U.S. Customs, Border Patrol
mustreadalaska.com
Crazy right ...

#23 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

They can be like the Texas Guard...doing nothing on the border but posing for PR Photos!

Congrats!

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-05 02:03 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Proof is the burden of the claimant. We should never expect a serious or thoughtful answer out of this one. Only partisan crap.

#32 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 02:07 PM | Reply

"The House passed a border security bill almost a year ago"

Do you mean the one which stupidly demands ALL the wall be built? The one which never mentions the hirers?!?

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-05 02:11 PM | Reply

Fentanyl is primarily being brought into the United States through legal ports of entry (official entrances) by US citizens.

#34 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 02:17 PM | Reply

" The bill to be presented a few weeks ago was BIPARTISAN. Why did Trump stop it?

#29 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2024-03-05 02:00 PM | FLAG:

It was DOA in the House before Trump weighed in because the bill was a piece of du g that didn't do didley squat toward enforcement.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-05 04:42 PM | Reply

" I guess we all need to start asking for a "link" every time you ------ comment.

#26 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2024-03-05 01:57 PM | FLAG: "

Here you go:

www.congress.gov

The Senate bill you are trying to play gotcha with never ultimately even made it through the Senatd, unlike the House bill I just linked.

The most recent polling I've seen not only has this as an issue of high priority for 24 but it's an issue where Biden's polling is terrible. That is 100% on him and his horrible policies and enforcement.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-05 04:47 PM | Reply

The Senate bill you are trying to play gotcha with never ultimately even made it through the Senatd, unlike the House bill I just linked.

#36 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

BS. See #30.

The Bill was the most comprehensive immigration reform Bill in 40 years. Thanks to Republicans, such comprehensive and bipartisan legislation will probably never get passed again in my lifetime. For the Bill Republicans want, they will require a supermajority in the Senate. But with Trump they will simply get their wishes by dictate, instead of legislation. We will all eventually see if such authoritarianism was worth it.

Republicans simply don't want to give up their wedge issue. And yes, they may very well win on this issue. Biden's polling is terrible by manufactured crisis.

I believe closing the border and finishing the wall will be environmental, humanitarian and economic folly.

What sad times... Republicans are only interested in governing by dictate. Not by diplomacy.

#37 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-05 05:21 PM | Reply

#37. The bill codified illegal immigration at unsustainable numbers. Further, "comprehensive" bills usually suck far worse than narrowly targeted bills. FFS - part of the "comprehensiveness " of it was $60 billion for Ukraine.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-05 05:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The bill codified illegal immigration at unsustainable numbers."

What are the sustainable numbers?

You don't know.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-05 05:43 PM | Reply

Gotta promote the xenophobia of America. Same as it ever was. Sad that be.

#40 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-05 05:53 PM | Reply

Fascists are the dumbest people on the planet.

#41 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-05 08:46 PM | Reply

Anecdotal: I lived on the border for many years and have visited often since and most of the BP types I've run into seem bent on letting folks know they're chip-on-the-shoulder, barely literate goons who have serious attitude problems with Hispanics and pretty much everyone else around them. Not all. But a helluva lot of them.

#42 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-03-06 05:43 AM | Reply

Those border agents aren't just at the border. I see them about once every week or two, set up and waiting for the coyotes. Coyotes are the name given those smuggling in the illegals. I'm an hour or so travel time from the border. It is not uncommon for there to be high speed chases through our area, including through downtown, as well as back roads, and the interstates. Last week, they were working the interstate, where one was stopped and all the illegals bailed once the SUV came to a stop. A month or so ago, tire strips were put out within a block of downtown, to stop a running coyote.

Those border patrols are covering a lot more area than just at the border, by a large factor.

#43 | Posted by BBQ at 2024-03-06 12:04 PM | Reply

Biden will lose over this border issue.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-03-06 03:14 PM | Reply

After Trump loses again Lady B will be blaming mail in ballots. Book it.

#45 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-06 03:22 PM | Reply

Biden will lose over this border issue.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2024-03-06 03:14 PM | REPLY

Nonsense. All he has to do is tell the American people that the Republicans walked away from the border deal so apparently it's no big deal.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-03-06 03:41 PM | Reply

Biden will lose over this border issue.
#44 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

That does explain why Republicans aren't doing anything about the border.