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Thursday, February 01, 2024

Interesting dive into statistics on Republican voters who say they will not vote for Trump.

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I am almost, but not quite, ready to count out Nikki Haley. As Trump becomes realer and realer in the eyes of many Republicans, the more of them I believe will defect to an alternative.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-02-01 08:52 PM | Reply

Let me guess - they're better educated.

#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-01 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's the thing. These are the people that Speak Softly and others like him consistently and repeatedly insult, broadbrush and label as enemies. What is your gameplan? Just hope enough of them stay home to move the needle? That isn't good enough. Biden needs to win these people over.

#3 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-02-01 09:53 PM | Reply

Independent swing voters prefer democracy to Trump's authoritarianism.

That's his real problem.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-01 10:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If 10% of Republicans don't vote for Trump it's game over.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-02-01 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The RINOs that won't vote for Trump has 1 thing in common: they prefer WW3 over mean Tweets.

They are called RINOs, like ------- Liz Cheney, the McCain -----, and Mitt Romney because they are being surgically excised from the party. The GOP used to be the party of Religious Nutjobs, the top 0.1% of the Corporate owners, and people that loved America going to war.

For the most part, the corporate owners and war mongers have migrated over to the Dems or have been kicked out of the GOP. They hate that they were kicked out of the party that they think they founded - but, we that joined the GOP because of Trump, have now taken over the party and made it the pro-worker, pro-America First, pro-Freedom party. The war mongers, censorship nuts, and gender confused are all Democrats now along with the 0.001% corporate overlords.

#6 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-01 11:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#6 ... The RINOs that won't vote for Trump has 1 thing in common: they prefer WW3 over mean Tweets.

Why does your current alias proffer that assertion?

What evidence does your current alias have to justify its assertion that , "They hate that they were kicked out of the party that they think they founded?"

Is it the same level of evidence that your current alias did not provide for its assertion that back in March 2023 the US was in a recession?


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-02 12:05 AM | Reply

@#3 ... These are the people that Speak Softly and others like him consistently and repeatedly insult, broadbrush and label as enemies. ...

I want to reply to your comment, but it is so ambiguous that I cannot.

Lemme explain...

... These are the people that Speak Softly ...

Who are these people who speak softly?

... consistently and repeatedly insult, broadbrush and label as enemies. ...

How so?

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-02 12:08 AM | Reply

"Why does your current alias proffer that assertion?
#7 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER"

You write like a reddit neckbeard trying to sound intelligent. As such, I cannot take you seriously.

#9 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-02 01:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now let's wander over to the chaos counter and see what the American electorate might be in for: Imagine if Trump is greatly weakened two weeks after the March 5 primaries, Super Tuesday...what then? If enough states refuse him a place on the ballot, will he continue with a hopeless candidacy, or would he withdraw? What if Nikki Haley has to withdraw and then Trump is indicted for real?

#10 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-02-02 06:03 AM | Reply

= For the most part, the corporate owners and war mongers have migrated over to the Dems

One of the most delusional things ever claimed here.

And that says a lot.

Those people are still in charge of the GOP, only now they have one of their own, a billionaire global corporation himself in charge, having conned you into guzzling his Koolaid.

His deficit based tax cuts benefited himself and his ilk far more than they did working people, who always have been and still are the soul of the Dem party.

Leo Leonard is the GOP, perhaps you should find out who he is before you make such ridiculous claims.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-02 06:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I hate to be the harbinger of bad news,
but the real threat is neither Trump (directly)
nor Nikki Haley, but Joe Manchin.

Joe Manchin (curse his name) is very likely to
jump into the Presidential fray, just to spite
Biden and the Democrats, with hopes of becoming
either POTUS, if Trump's indictments weigh him down,
or at least Chief Spoiler to tilt the election towards
Trump and away from Biden and the democrats.

I have WARNED the Democratic Caucus repeatedly against
this very thing happening, and now it looms like a dark
cloud over the election.

Being from WV and knowing the fake democrat that Joe Manchin
has been, I'm pretty sure I know what he intends to do.
Wait until the last minute, when Haley has dropped out, and
Trump is weighed down as more and more legal decisions are
decided, to suddenly announce his candidacy at the last minute.

THAT is the true threat to Biden getting reelected...

#12 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-02-02 06:36 AM | Reply

Republican voters who say they will not vote for Trump.

The problem with that "data" is that many of those people either (1) are too embarrassed to admit they will vote for Trump but will be doing so anyway, or (2) think today that they won't vote for Trump but after watching 8 months of propaganda they will feel compelled to so so.

Dems shouldn't even be thinking about this nonsense; it's what got them burned in 2016.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-02 07:44 AM | Reply

#8 playing with your chatbot again? It is so obvious when you let it take over.

#12 Manchin? Interesting. Cheney hasn't ruled out a third party candidate run, and Kennedy can't win but he can be a serious disrupter.

I still feel like there is a complex plan to replace Biden with Newsome

#13 good insight, (2) step back for a moment and think about what these people are viewing. Moderate Republicans don't live in a Fox News bubble. They use their remote controls and mice and view news from various sources. Many of which blatantly demonize and label conservatives which only drives them away. Moderate change the channel when they get called names. Apparently nobody learned anything from the "Deplorables" narrative.

#14 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-02-02 08:21 AM | Reply

As such, I cannot take you seriously.

#9 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-02 01:35 AM | Reply

via GIPHY

#15 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-02 08:30 AM | Reply

(1) are too embarrassed to admit they will vote for Trump but will be doing so anyway,

Right Jeff?

#16 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-02 08:30 AM | Reply

I think Joe is dead on in 13.

Don't buy into these polls.....election day is election day and assume Trump will get more votes from republicans than you think. And where are these moderate republicans who say they won't vote for him? Blue States? None of that matters anyway.

Like always....this will come down to a handful of swing states and getting moderates and swing votes there. And an election with 150 to 160 million votes cast.......a few million in 6 or 7 states will determine the winner.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-02 08:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's the thing. These are the people that Speak Softly and others like him consistently and repeatedly insult, broadbrush and label as enemies.

With this very topic they're showing themselves to not be slavishly devoted to Dear Leader in the Cult of MAGA.

So, I have to disagree with you wholeheartedly on your post.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-02 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

but, we that joined the GOP because of Trump, have now taken over the party and made it the pro-worker, pro-America First, pro-Freedom party.

You try to bill yourselves as that, but you also refuse to acknowledge the fact that the facade never fooled anyone. Not even from day 1.

You're the party (movement is probably a better word) of bitter losers whose anger at not having the life you think you're entitled to leads you to lash out at anyone but the people responsible for that-yourself. As you continue to fall for people taking you for a ride because you're also easily manipulated morons and idiots (which is, in the end, why your life sucks) who keep thinking they're going to let you kick the football this time.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-02 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden needs to win these people over.

#3 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2024-02-01 09:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

He can't. Biden is trying for a bipartisan bill that closes the border and does nothing to advance the dreamers and trump is doing his best to scuttle it. It's like bizarro world.

You can't negotiate with terrorists.

#20 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-02 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is sickening the level of support every POTUS gets from each party. to Dems, Obama was the messiah and could never do anything wrong. To Reps, Trump is the messiah who can do no wrong. And the fact that both parties have already shown their dismay over how old both Biden and Trump are, how the hell are they even still in the running? Both parties finally agree on something and they can't even curb their bias to do something about it.

#21 | Posted by humtake at 2024-02-02 12:23 PM | Reply

to Dems, Obama was the messiah and could never do anything wrong.

Yet another assertion from righties that turned out to be a confession.

That was never remotely true.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-02 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It is sickening the level of support every POTUS gets from each party. to Dems, Obama was the messiah and could never do anything wrong. To Reps, Trump is the messiah who can do no wrong. And the fact that both parties have already shown their dismay over how old both Biden and Trump are, how the hell are they even still in the running? Both parties finally agree on something and they can't even curb their bias to do something about it.

#21 | Posted by humtake

Obama is not a cult leader. He was an inspiring president for many people. But he did not instruct people to deny reality and parrot lies. He did not terrorize his party into obeying his every command.

There is no BOTH SIDES anymore. Only ONE side is a cult. Only ONE side attempted a coup.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-02 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Here's the thing. These are the people that Speak Softly and others like him consistently and repeatedly insult, broadbrush and label as enemies. What is your gameplan? Just hope enough of them stay home to move the needle? That isn't good enough. Biden needs to win these people over.

#3 | Posted by Miranda7

Our gameplan is to stand up for truth and democracy instead of pandering to liars and traitors.

What's YOUR gameplan? Tell fascist morons that they're actually handsome intelligent patriots and that will make them leave their fascist cult that they love more than democracy?

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-02 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

to Dems, Obama was the messiah and could never do anything wrong.

#21 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

I don't know where you Cons get this crap. But to many of us, Obama was simply Bush Lite.

#25 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-02-02 03:55 PM | Reply

He can't. Biden is trying for a bipartisan bill that closes the border

#20 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-02 11:37 AM | Reply |

No one needs to pass a bill to "close the border", just close the border. It's an illegal invasion that Joe Biden, along with the democrats and a good many republicans, have no intentions of stopping. It's the other ------ in the bill they are trying to pass.

#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-02-02 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No one needs to pass a bill to "close the border", just close the border. It's an illegal invasion that Joe Biden, along with the democrats and a good many republicans, have no intentions of stopping. It's the other ------ in the bill they are trying to pass.

#26 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Well...see, we have these things called LAWS. And these other things called REGULATIONS.

I know I know. You are a Trumper so you don't believe such things exist.

But us living in the REAL world do pay attention to them....or we end up with 92 felony counts.

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-02 04:37 PM | Reply

No one needs to pass a bill to "close the border", just close the border.
#26 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Yeah, just close the border that sustains $300,000,000,000 annual trade with Mexico.

You are either economically illiterate or financially suicidal.

Actually, no reason you can't be both.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-02 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds

It's not an invasion, moron.

STFU and stop using words you think you know the meaning of because some-------- told you to.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-02 09:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

twitter.com

Debunking the Media's Claim That All of Trump's 2020 Election Challenges Were 'Baseless'

An Election Integrity review conducted on 92 court challenges filed over the 2020 election found that a clear majority of the cases decided on the merits were ruled favorably for the plaintiffs; particularly, the Republican Party and the Trump campaign.

The election review noted the cases decided on the merits and those that were dismissed for lack of standing or other procedural issues.

"Some Non-Merit reasons for stopping lawsuits from going forward are for: a) Standing, b) Timing [Laches], c) Judicial authority [Jurisdiction], and d) Moot (e.g. not enough malfeasance to make a difference)."

The list of court cases decided on the merits, meaning "the Plaintiff was able to argue the facts of the case, and, if applicable, given opportunity to present evidence via Discovery," as well as the links to the case information, can be found below.

"You're gonna wanna bookmark this," remarked Arizona Sun Times reporter
@Rach_IC
.

"This is a compilation of all of the 2020 election challenges and what became of them. Despite the MSM lies that 60+ election challenges found no evidence of wrongdoing, there were actually 92 cases, with only 30 decided on the merits, and of those 30, Trump and/or the GOP plaintiff prevailed in 22 of them."

The case entries, many linking to Stanford's Healthy Election Project, confirm the statuses and the rulings.

It is debatable whether affirmative rulings in all of the cases would have been sufficient to lead to Donald Trump being elected instead of Joe Biden.

The pivotal lawsuit may have been the Texas case brought by AG Ken Paxton contending that a number of swing states made unconstitutional election changes, because they did not go through the state legislatures. This case was denied by the Supreme Court, despite the Constitution stipulating its original jurisdiction.

Furthermore, many states have since decided that 2020 election practices such as the inclusion of privately funded "Zuckerboxes" were either illegal or were subsequently outlawed.

It is up for debate whether any particular lawsuit would have been the deciding factor, but the critical underlying point is that the election challenges were legal and valid. The sum of these lawsuits paint the picture that the "fortified" 2020 election was highly flawed and undemocratic, since it did not abide by fundamental practices of election integrity.

Thus debunks a widespread narrative: Trump's legal challenges to the 2020 election were all "baseless"

#30 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-02-03 07:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

No one needs to pass a bill to "close the border", just close the border.

If you don't need to pass a bill then wasn't illegal immigration solved when Trump was president? Existing law is enough right?

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-03 08:09 AM | Reply

*why wasn't

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-03 08:09 AM | Reply

"According to new data published last month, the Biden Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has removed a higher percentage of arrested border crossers in its first two years than the Trump DHS did over its last two years. Moreover, migrants were more likely to be released after a border arrest under President Trump than under President Biden."
www.cato.org

Gosh, it's almost like "Biden's open border" is a completely fake story that only retarded people believe. Congratulations!

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-03 08:19 AM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY THEBULL

So I looked into the first lawsuit listed as a green win for Trump on the chart that the tweet links to:

"3. RNC/Trump v. Miller, No. 06571 EQCV095986 (Iowa District Court, Linn County)"

It was one of the 23 identified as being decided on the merits in the chart:

"Note: Trump and/or the GOP plaintiff prevailed in 23 out of 31 cases decided on the merits"

election-integrity.info

I followed the link to STANFORD-MIT HEALTHY ELECTIONS PROJECT COVID-Related Election Litigation Track and got more info on the case:

healthyelections-case-tracker.stanford.edu

The case was filed and ruled on in August 2020 with a final Iowa SC ruling in October 2020 which upheld the original ruling. At issue was 3 Democratic counties in Iowa sending our absentee ballot request forms that were pre-populated with voter info like name, date of birth and pin number. Voters needed to review the request form and then send it back into to the county in order to get the actual absentee ballot. The courts ruled that absentee ballot request forms could not be pre-populated in this way but must be sent out blank and all forms that were sent out that way (thousands of them) must be invalidated. All this happened prior to the November 2020 election and was indeed a win for Trump and the Republicans, but because this victory occurred well before the election in November, implying this case is some kind of proof that voter fraud occurred which affected the presidential election is ludicrous.

The linked to tweet states:

It is up for debate whether any particular lawsuit would have been the deciding factor, but the critical underlying point is that the election challenges were legal and valid. The sum of these lawsuits paint the picture that the "fortified" 2020 election was highly flawed and undemocratic, since it did not abide by fundamental practices of election integrity.

Thus debunks a widespread narrative: Trump's legal challenges to the 2020 election were all "baseless."


What is baseless is claiming the above case, which Trump won and which was resolved in his favor prior to the election, is proof that "the 'fortified' 2020 election was highly flawed and undemocratic, since it did not abide by fundamental practices of election integrity."

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-03 10:06 AM | Reply

News accounts of the above mentioned case:

In a Victory for Trump, Iowa Judge Orders Thousands of Absentee Ballot Requests to Be Voided

On the day he accepted the Republican nomination for a second term, President Donald Trump won a legal skirmish in Iowa over the legality of how absentee ballot request forms were handled by a local election official. August 27, 2020

www.courthousenews.com

Iowa Supreme Court sides with GOP over absentee ballot request forms
October 15, 2020

Iowa's highest court upheld a state directive Wednesday that was used to invalidate tens of thousands of absentee ballot requests mailed to voters pre-filled with their personal information.

The Iowa Supreme Court issued its ruling in favor of President Donald Trump's campaign and Republican groups as Trump held an evening rally in Des Moines.

The court rejected a Democratic challenge that argued the directive issued by Republican Secretary of State Paul Pate was unconstitutional.

Pate instructed county elections commissioners in July that all absentee ballot request forms they mailed to voters must be blank in order to ensure uniformity statewide.

Auditors in three counties defied Pate's guidance and mailed forms to thousands of voters with their names, addresses, dates of birth and voter pin numbers already filled in. Voters just had to review, sign and return the forms, which the three auditors said were intended to make voting by >mail as easy as possible during the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cbsnews.com

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-03 10:08 AM | Reply

Right, because Iowa was about to turn blue.

"The court rejected a Democratic challenge that argued the directive issued by Republican Secretary of State Paul Pate was unconstitutional."

This sounds like what Republicans are hoping to be declared unconstitutional by attacking Chevron.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-03 10:12 AM | Reply

I particularly liked this exchange between Bull's tweeter Kyle Becker and some other tweeter who told him he needed to organize his material better:

uniparty
@CLOWNWORLDNFTs

Ya gotta summarize it better

This is all over the place man

Complete with full spreadsheet screenshots

Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker

I am not going to do your research for you. If I overly summarize, it will be "missing context."

twitter.com

Missing context indeed. Either Becker has been too negligent to dig into the context himself, or he is counting on other people being too lazy to do so.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-03 10:19 AM | Reply

"Note: Trump and/or the GOP plaintiff prevailed in 23 out of 31 cases decided on the merits"

Okay, so I looked at the next two of the 23 cases on the list that Trump won.

The first case involved Trump asking to have absentee ballots that were postmarked before the deadline but received after the deadline to be discarded:

8 Donald J. Trump for President v. Simon, No. A20-1362 (Minn. Supreme Court)

The judgement of the Minnesota district court that Secretary of State Simon could extend the deadline to receive absenttee ballots is reversed and remanded. The court found that the Secretary extended the deadline for receipt of ballots without legislative authorization; thus the court orders the reversal of the district court's denial of preliminary injunction and remand so that the district court can enter an injunction to segregate and preserve all ballots received after Election Day.

healthyelections-case-tracker.stanford.edu

What that meant for MN voters:

Five Days Before the Election, a Federal Court Moves Minnesota's Mail-In Ballot Deadline Up a Full Week

A federal appeals court invalidated Minnesota's mail-in voting procedure Thursday evening, ruling that mail-in votes had to be received by the close of polls on Election Day, not simply postmarked by then, in order to be counted. Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon, in response to a different lawsuit this summer demanding an extension, agreed in July that mail-in votes would need to be postmarked by Nov. 3, with a seven-day window afterward for the vote to arrive and be counted. The state subsequently sent out some 1.7 million requested absentee ballots with specific instructions explaining just that. Months later, just five days before the election, the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals weighed in and changed the rules. Nearly 400,000 of the absentee ballots have yet to be returned, according to Simon.

slate.com

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-03 12:46 PM | Reply

The third case involved Trump asking for an extension of polling hours in some Clark County NV polling sites due to voting machine problems. The extension was granted:

9 Donald J. Trump for President v. Gloria, No. A-20-824153-C (NV District Court)

Plaintiffs, Donald J. Trump for President and Nevada Republican Party, sought injunctive relief from Clark County to keep open poll locations affected by voting machine malfunctions until 8:00p.m.

healthyelections-case-tracker.stanford.edu

Again, neither case supports the claim that "the 'fortified' 2020 election was highly flawed and undemocratic, since it did not abide by fundamental practices of election integrity." Neither case supports the claim that Trump really won the election, but it was rigged against him and stolen from him.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-03 12:54 PM | Reply

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