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Tuesday, March 19, 2024

A government investigation into a Boeing 737 Max 9 plane's door-plug blowout has been hampered by a lack of repair records and security camera footage, the National Transportation Safety Board's chair told US senators. Boeing was "unable to find the records" and told the NTSB that the security camera footage was overwritten.

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... "To date, we still do not know who performed the work to open, reinstall, and close the door plug on the accident aircraft," NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy wrote Wednesday in a letter to leaders of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee. "Boeing has informed us that they are unable to find the records documenting this work. A verbal request was made by our investigators for security camera footage to help obtain this information; however, they were informed the footage was overwritten. The absence of those records will complicate the NTSB's investigation moving forward."

A Boeing spokesperson told Ars today that under the company's standard practice, "video recordings are maintained on a rolling 30-day basis" before being overwritten. The NTSB's preliminary report on the investigation said the airplane was delivered to Alaska Airlines on October 31, 2023, after a repair in a Boeing factory. On January 5, the plane was forced to return to Portland International Airport in Oregon when a passenger door plug blew off the aircraft during flight. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-18 12:32 AM | Reply

I have an opinion here...

... "video recordings are maintained on a rolling 30-day basis" before being overwritten. ...

My first impression is, what is Boeing trying to hide with such a short retention policy for such critical safety-related videos?

I mean, I retain images of my driveway for more than 30-days.

And I have a follow-up question -- what were the reasons why that short retention policy was put into place?


As I said, my opinion....


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-18 12:37 AM | Reply

"video recordings are maintained on a rolling 30-day basis" before being overwritten

That is not unusual. We only ran ours for 2 weeks before they overwrote.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-18 12:38 AM | Reply


@#3 ... That is not unusual. ...

I'd say it depends upon the criticality of the industry.

A major player in the airplane industry retaining such documentation for only 30 days indicates to me that something might be covered up. And, given the current incident, I can see why such short retention might be a corporate policy.


Why wouldn't they want to retain such video (or other records) for a longer period?

I mean, a 18TB hard drive is only $350 nowadays.
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From the article, "... "To date, we still do not know who performed the work to open, reinstall, and close the door plug on the accident aircraft," NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy wrote Wednesday in a letter to leaders of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee. ...


That is not good.

And as I have previously opined, it looks intentional.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-18 01:36 AM | Reply

Why wouldn't they want to retain such video (or other records) for a longer period?

Its a security video, not quality control.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-18 01:44 AM | Reply

@#5 ... Its a security video, not quality control. ...

All the more reason to have a longer retention period.

Boeing builds airplanes.

Security of the manufacturing facilities should be first and foremost.

Until and unless that occurs, anything else is moot.

So, my first question would be... why save the security videos for only 30 days.?

The answer to that question would speak volumes about how Boeing looks at the security of their manufacturing facilities.

Unfortunately for Boeing, the current evidence apparently seems to point towards a company that is more concerned about saving money than safety.


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-18 02:17 AM | Reply

why save the security videos for only 30 days.?

In my experience most, security breaches are discovered well before 30 days.

Also in my experience, the videos are usually pretty useless anyway due to distance, bad angle or lousy frame rates.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-18 02:22 AM | Reply

"documentation for only 30 days"

Considering the importance of the work -- these planes fly for decades --
Seems like a deliberate policy to avoid accountability.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-18 02:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The security video is a red herring. The fact that someone took out that door plug and put it back in and they have no record of who did it? Now that is a problem.

No work order? No purchase order? Some mysterious contractor did it on a whim for free? Makes no sense.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-18 02:43 AM | Reply

@#7 ... In my experience most, security breaches are discovered well before 30 days. ...

Yeah, but as we are seeing here, investigations that could use those videos may (and usually) take place after 30 days.

So there does seem to be a reason to over-write the security video for some companies.

I mean, 18TB of disk space for $350?

... Also in my experience, the videos are usually pretty useless anyway due to distance, bad angle or lousy frame rates. ...

Current video is quite good.

Indeed, the security footage of my driveway is 1080-HD.

And the current video compression algorithms do an impressive job of preserving the detail.

So, all this leads me back to my current question...

For an industry as critical to public safety as Boeing seems to be, why the lackadaisical attitude towards security?

I mean, 18TB of disk space for $350?


It does not seem to be a monetary problem.

It does not seem to be a technical problem.

So, then, why does Boeing seem to have such poor (abysmal?) security for their manufacturing process.

And, for the record, it is not just security video. From the article...

... "Boeing has informed us that they are unable to find the records documenting this work. ...

Boeing cannot find records documenting their work.

Wow.

Let that sink in.

Boeing cannot find records documenting their work.

imo, this is not looking good.

Yeah, the next time I fly, I want to be on a Boeing plane.

Not.




#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-18 02:43 AM | Reply

@#9 ... The security video is a red herring. ...

Possibly, but also indicative of a larger problem.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-18 02:45 AM | Reply

No work order? No purchase order? Some mysterious contractor did it on a whim for free? Makes no sense.

#9 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Maybe they think that's less embarrassing than the reality that nobody messed with it and it simply failed?

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2024-03-18 09:13 AM | Reply

what is Boeing trying to hide with such a short retention policy for such critical safety-related videos?

How do you know it's short? How do you know it's about plane safety?

My guess is these are work safety videos, documenting a workplace accident.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-18 10:12 AM | Reply

Standard retention times are 30-90 days across all industries. This is civil aviation, not military production.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-18 03:00 PM | Reply

what is Boeing trying to hide with such a short retention policy for such critical safety-related videos?

How do you know it's short? How do you know it's about plane safety?

My guess is these are work safety videos, documenting a workplace accident.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut

Maybe trump used the same guy he sent to delete the security tapes at mar a lago.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-19 12:49 PM | Reply

My first impression is, what is Boeing trying to hide with such a short retention policy for such critical safety-related videos?
I mean, I retain images of my driveway for more than 30-days.
And I have a follow-up question -- what were the reasons why that short retention policy was put into place?

As I said, my opinion....

#2 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

You know why.

They keep the minimum so they can say they are retaining stuff as required and have plausible deniability in court when the records get over-written due to the policy.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-19 01:16 PM | Reply

We are living where decisions by Democrats in Biden land are failing us, while every important element in business and America goes to pot and without accountability. No one is ever fired by Biden even though every failure from Afghanistan to Epstein to Libya is due to leadership and chain of command policy failures. The MSM covers it up to protect Biden and the Dem regime.

We need real accountability and we need those who fail that aspect to be held to account and out of office.

#17 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-19 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We need real accountability and we need those who fail that aspect to be held to account and out of office.

#17 | Posted by Robson

But not if someone tries to overthrow democracy right?

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-19 08:44 PM | Reply

We are living where decisions by Democrats in Biden land are failing us, while every important element in business and America goes to pot and without accountability. No one is ever fired by Biden even though every failure from Afghanistan to Epstein to Libya is due to leadership and chain of command policy failures. The MSM covers it up to protect Biden and the Dem regime.
We need real accountability and we need those who fail that aspect to be held to account and out of office.

#17 | POSTED BY ROBSON

Jesus. What alternative reality do you live in?

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-03-20 10:12 AM | Reply

"every failure from Afghanistan to Epstein to Libya"

You forgot Katie Britt's trafficked Mexican woman. Gotta blame Biden for that, too!

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-20 10:19 AM | Reply

Maybe trump used the same guy he sent to delete the security tapes at mar a lago.
#15 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You mean Hillarys bleach bit guy?

They were all friends back then.

Strange isn't it. Trumps, Clinton all hung out together for decades.

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-20 10:38 AM | Reply

I agree with Lamplighter. Corporations and government make security and record retention policy based on law, criticality, and self need and CYA. In this case CYA overruled need and thus the video and records destroyed.

#22 | Posted by Robson at 2024-03-20 12:45 PM | Reply

You mean Hillarys bleach bit guy?

They were all friends back then.

Strange isn't it. Trumps, Clinton all hung out together for decades.

#21 | Posted by oneironaut

Ex secretarites of state have a very good reasons to destroy their phones.

Trump only had a criminal reason to destroy the security tapes at mar a lago.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-20 01:01 PM | Reply

I'm booking a last minute flight this weekend and I'm specifically excluding Boeing flights from my search. I can't be the only one.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2024-03-20 01:15 PM | Reply

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