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Monday, April 01, 2024

President Joe Biden said Arab countries including Saudi Arabia were prepared to "fully recognize Israel" in a future deal as he and his Democratic predecessors Bill Clinton and Barack Obama pushed back on critics of his Middle East policies at a campaign event Thursday.

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... Biden's comments came during a discussion with his fellow presidents at a star-studded fundraiser at Radio City Music Hall in New York intended to display Democratic party unity ahead of a general-election rematch with Republican Donald Trump. The presidents, though, were interrupted at least four times by pro-Palestinian protesters, highlighting the tensions within the party over Biden's handling of Israel's war with Hamas and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

"I've been working with the Saudis and with all the other Arab countries, including Egypt and Jordan and Qatar. They're prepared to fully recognize Israel," Biden said after one such interruption. "There has to be a post-Gaza plan, and there has to be a trade to a two-state solution. It doesn't have to occur today. It has to be a progression and I think we can do that." ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-01 12:09 AM | Reply

OK, some things come to mind here....

- political posturing? Or a real measure of progress in the Middle East?

- OK, prior Democrat Presidents, going back, how many decades, on stage and in agreement?

When will the Republican Party have a similar display of unity?

More importantly, can the Republican Party have a similar display of unity?

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#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-01 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, is he following the considerable success of the Abraham Accords or is he going to repeat the failures of his party on this issue?

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-04-01 12:18 AM | Reply

@#3 ... So, is he following the considerable success of the Abraham Accords or is he going to repeat the failures of his party on this issue? ...

Time will tell.

But it is worthy to note that Pres Biden was working towards a peace agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and that Iran did not seem to appreciate those discussions, which likely resulted in October 7.

For example...

Biden's Grand Bargain to Remake the Middle East (February 2024)
foreignpolicy.com

... The Biden administration is laying the groundwork for an ambitious grand bargain that would tie rapprochement between Israel and Saudi Arabia to substantial steps toward Palestinian statehood, according to nine analysts and former U.S. government officials familiar with the plans. The long-shot diplomatic gamble could remake the Middle East and define U.S. President Joe Biden's foreign-policy legacy, but it faces staggering challenges that many fear will be insurmountable.

The plan the administration is working on builds on preexisting efforts to strike a U.S.-Saudi defense pact, a top Saudi foreign-policy priority. In exchange, Saudi Arabia, the most influential Gulf Arab state, would establish diplomatic relations with Israel, with all parties agreeing to forge irreversible steps toward Palestinian statehood.

Despite Israel's punishing war in Gaza, which has drawn widespread condemnation across the Arab world and beyond, Saudi officials never renounced efforts toward normalization. Officials in Washington still see it as the best way to shake up the intractable status quo in a region where decades of U.S.-led peace efforts have failed to bring tensions between Israelis and Palestinians to an end or create a functional, sovereign Palestinian state.

Brett McGurk, Biden's top White House Middle East aide, is spearheading the effort, according to those familiar with the talks, with the administration set to announce the proposed plan in the spring. ...



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-04-01 12:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even if the countries agree - the people do not. THAT is a key issue you can not negotiate your way out of.

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-01 11:53 AM | Reply

Peace in the Middle East will only come from the Arab and Iranian Moslem states that recognize Jewish people's right to coexist and if some of these states wish to do this we should all get behind them now. Those that use innocent people of Gaza as human shields and constantly attack Israeli by using these people in Gaza need to go. And, that will end this war. Stop Iran from spreading disinformation that seems to be sucked up by not only the people in Gaza in their grammar schools and public institutions but also by the KKK, Neo Nazi's and many far left people that really have a limited ability of critical thought process if you ask me. It seems like a giant disconnect to reality with Western academia these days on this conflict. How can you support someone that wishes you dead or only good for sexual slavery? And that would be Hamas(Iran),the Taliban, ISIS and Al Qaeda yet here you are using their propaganda as truth. "30,000 dead women and babies"? Not one so-called soldier? Only "women and babies"dying in this war? Give me a break.

#6 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-04-01 03:22 PM | Reply

#6 Israel doesn't recognize Palestine's right to exist in Pre-1967 borders.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-01 03:26 PM | Reply

"Jewish people's right to coexist"

If only it were that simple.

They're not demanding the co-existence of the Jewish People.

They're demanding the co-existence of an exogenous Jewish State, dreamed up by Europeans and imposed by the British and the West.

You need to understand that.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-01 03:55 PM | Reply

They're demanding the co-existence of an exogenous Jewish State, dreamed up by Europeans and imposed by the British and the West.

That's what the Jews want.

The Palestinians are demanding the extirpation of the exogenous Jewish state, along with the expansion of the exogenous Palestinian state to replace it. The same one also dreamed up by Europeans and imposed by the British and the west.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-01 04:06 PM | Reply

"How can you support someone that wishes you dead or only good for sexual slavery?"

Great question.

Here's Neyanyahu answering your question.

Netanyahu: Money to Hamas part of strategy to keep Palestinians divided
m.jpost.com

Who's the bigger bad guy here, the bronze age goat herders or the well-heeled Jews financing them.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-01 04:06 PM | Reply

"That's what the Jews want."

#NotAllJews

Plenty of Jews knew creating Israel would be a disaster.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-01 04:09 PM | Reply

The Palestinians are demanding the extirpation of the exogenous Jewish state, The same one also dreamed up by Europeans and imposed by the British and the west.
#9 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Not even close.

The Two State Solution is a solution to what problem, exactly?

Israel.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-01 04:14 PM | Reply

"You need to understand that."

That's a vital thing to understand. That the Palestinians want to un-do the creation of the Jewish state. The goal of Hamas is to conduct genocide and ethnic cleansing, to the point where the Jewish populatios in Israel look a lot more like the Jewish populations in the other Arab states. In other words, non-existent.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-01 04:15 PM | Reply

"That's a vital thing to understand. That the Palestinians want to un-do the creation of the Jewish state."

Meanwhile, that's why Netanyahu supports Hamas. To un-do the creation of the Palestinian State.

You don't seem to be able to understand that.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-01 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The goal of Hamas is to conduct genocide and ethnic cleansing"

This is the Zionist goal too. They obviously had some success or there would not be a country called Israel.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-01 04:20 PM | Reply

Israel is a colonization. It is made up.

#16 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-04-01 09:02 PM | Reply

The goal of Bibi and the Israeli Parliament is to conduct genocide and ethnic cleansing, to the point where the Palestinian populations in Gaza and the West Bank look a lot more like the Palistinian populations in the rest of Israel. In other words, practically non-existent.

#13 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

FTFY

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-04-02 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The goal of Hamas is to conduct genocide and ethnic cleansing,

They're doing a horrible job of it.

Perhaps they can get some advice from Israel on how to conduct a successful genocide.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-04-02 02:04 PM | Reply

"The goal of Hamas is to conduct genocide and ethnic cleansing"

Ethnic re-cleansing, perhaps.

It is not hard to understand the point of view that Israel, as an exogenous Western construct, should be de-constructed.

And the land returned to the people who lived there before the mass importation of European colonialists by the British.

You don't have to agree, but you are lying when you say you don't understand.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-02 02:11 PM | Reply

They're demanding the co-existence of an exogenous Jewish State, dreamed up by Europeans and imposed by the British and the West.
That's what the Jews want.
The Palestinians are demanding the extirpation of the exogenous Jewish state, along with the expansion of the exogenous Palestinian state to replace it. The same one also dreamed up by Europeans and imposed by the British and the west.
#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-01 04:06 PM

The what? Is that a thing? I thought that was the entire point of accords, agreements and meetings for decades now - to deny recognizing a Palestinian state. It's worked so well up until now.

#20 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-04-02 05:30 PM | Reply

Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia were back-channeling like crazy within almost no time after the 1967 war. Recognition of statehood was on offer. The problem lay in Israeli rejection of UN Security Council Resolution 242. But now? After Netanyahu sought to dismiss his own incompetence and responded to horrific provocation by Hamas by conducting genocide in Gaza? Dream on, Joe. Your unreserved, old-school support for a fascistic Netanyahu and his weird band of lunatic enablers is probably going to bite you in the butt.politically and geopolitically You've got my vote. (You're running against Trump, fer chrissakes.). But the mileage on this one may vary.

#21 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-04-03 05:15 AM | Reply

"Israel is a colonization. It is made up."

Israel (Judea) was a state going back thousands of years.

There has never been a "Palestine." At least not before the British created it at the same time they created Israel.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-03 01:16 PM | Reply

"the British created it at the same time they created Israel."

Yep, that's the problem all right.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 01:21 PM | Reply

"Israel (Judea) was"

It shoulda stayed that way.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 01:24 PM | Reply

There has never been a "Palestine."

It's weird how committed to the Zionist propaganda you are. Are you an Orthodox Jew?

Indeed, the United Nations debate in 1947 over the creation of the state of Israel was described in terms of the "question of Palestine." The U.N. even explained in its official summary that "It is recognized that Palestine is the common country of both indigenous Arabs and Jews, that both these peoples have had an historic association with it," adding that "Palestinian citizens, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine." It's hard to hold legal citizenship of a place that doesn't exist.
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#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 01:31 PM | Reply

#25

Can you name me a historical king of Palestine before 1947? A president maybe? Something?

You seem committed to the Team Tik Tok notion that Palestine was a country that was invaded and subjugated by the Israelis, without acknowledging that both Israel and Palestine (and Jordan) were creations of the British (and the French, sort of), a few years after the end of WWII.

Sorta like Pakistan was created as a homeland for Muslims in India.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-03 02:16 PM | Reply

"It shoulda stayed that way."

It shoulda stayed what way?

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-03 02:17 PM | Reply

"both Israel and Palestine (and Jordan) were creations of the British"

Right, that's why the local non-Jews don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state.

It's also why the Jewish European immigrants don't recognize Palestine as a legitimate state.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 02:20 PM | Reply

It shoulda stayed what way?
#27 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Past tense.
"Israel was."

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 02:30 PM | Reply

#25
Can you name me a historical king of Palestine before 1947? A president maybe? Something?
You seem committed to the Team Tik Tok notion that Palestine was a country that was invaded and subjugated by the Israelis, without acknowledging that both Israel and Palestine (and Jordan) were creations of the British (and the French, sort of), a few years after the end of WWII.
Sorta like Pakistan was created as a homeland for Muslims in India.

#26 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It was part of the Ottoman Empire until the British encouraged the Arabs in the area to join a larger revolt with other Arab areas under the promise to let them create their own Arab State(s) after the war.

Then it was Mandatory Palestine because the British along with the rest of the Western world refused to honor their commitment to the Arabs in the area that helped them win World War I.

It went something like this, "Thanks everyone for fighting and dying to fight off the Ottoman Empire and help us win World War I. But we changed our mind and are giving a huge portion of the land you bled for to a new land called Israel. Suckers!"

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-03 02:32 PM | Reply

"Right, that's why the local non-Jews don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state."

Even the non-Jews who live in Israel?

I think it's ~20% of the population or so?

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-03 02:40 PM | Reply

#30

I'm not totally sure what you're talking about, but I'm guessing when you say "Arabs in the area," you're referring to the Arabs farther to the east in Iraq, who rose up against the Ottomans with British support.

In any case, the same outcome that created Israel also created Palestine and Jordan-both as Arab states. Additionally, the French created another Arab state, Syria. Iraq was created along similar lines after the British defeated the Ottomans.

The country of Israel today is a tiny sliver of that area.

Oh, and if you can find something showing that Palestinians, or Arabs in general were involved in the Sinai-Palestine campaign during WWI, please share. The orders of battle I can find show the usual suspects. The UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-03 03:01 PM | Reply

Right, that's why the local non-Jews don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state."

This is false, the Druze actually fight in the IDF and are highly decorated.

#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-03 03:19 PM | Reply

Even some of the Jews who live in Israel think Israel was a mistake.

Y'all really didn't know this? You bit hard on the Zionist propaganda.

Neturei Karta is an Orthodox Jewish Haredi sect that takes an anti-Zionist stance. Its members who live in Israel say they do not vote, run for office or take assistance from the government, while openly supporting the return of all of Israel to Palestinians.

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#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-03 03:28 PM | Reply

#30
I'm not totally sure what you're talking about, but I'm guessing when you say "Arabs in the area," you're referring to the Arabs farther to the east in Iraq, who rose up against the Ottomans with British support.
In any case, the same outcome that created Israel also created Palestine and Jordan-both as Arab states. Additionally, the French created another Arab state, Syria. Iraq was created along similar lines after the British defeated the Ottomans.
The country of Israel today is a tiny sliver of that area.
Oh, and if you can find something showing that Palestinians, or Arabs in general were involved in the Sinai-Palestine campaign during WWI, please share. The orders of battle I can find show the usual suspects. The UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia.

#32 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Arabs in the area included Palestinians. The entire area rose up.

And yes, it created Jordan. It also created Israel by betraying the agreement with local Arabs (including Palestinians).

"Oh, and if you can find something showing that Palestinians, or Arabs in general were involved in the Sinai-Palestine campaign during WWI, please share."

Again showing your lack of history understanding. The Ottoman Empire's policy prior to WWI had been deportation of Palestinians and Jews in the area. They weren't really known as Palestinians back then. Why would they be? You can figure it out.

Sir Henry McMahon, the first British high commissioner in Egypt, made the promise and put it in writing that the Arab world would be independent if it helped fight the Ottomans. Specifically included was Palestine. The region was to include as far south as Egypt and as far east as Iran. And the Arab community accepted and fought.

But if you want to get specific to the Sinai-Palestine Campaign, Arabs were fighting under Shariff Hussein in 1916. They are the ones who actually liberated Damascus to the north and helped cause the Ottoman retreat. It also allowed the British to control the key railway in the region that went through Damascus. There were additional cities that the Arab Revolt attacked and/or captured as well.

In modern day Palestine specifically, there wasn't much fighting because the area was so decimated that there was hardly anyone still there. The key cities were in ruins and farming all but impossible. The area was looted by the Ottoman's for resources.

We done here?

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-03 03:35 PM | Reply

Can you name me a historical king of Palestine before 1947? A president maybe? Something?

#26 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

So in your view, legitimacy only exists under your definition governmental construct?

#36 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-04-03 06:06 PM | Reply

Can you name me a historical king of Palestine before 1947? A president maybe? Something?

#26 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Sure! His name was King George VI.

Through acts of terrorism, the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization Irgun and others like Haganah bombed hotels and committed untold numbers of terror attacks on the then-British territory of Palestine.

#37 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-03 06:27 PM | Reply

BTW, one of my ancestors, Randall II, was king of Jerusalem when he and Hugh de Payne created the Knights Templar.

Before (and after fleeing Egypt) Jews found Palestine, it was split up into multiple kingdoms.

#38 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-03 06:37 PM | Reply

CORRECTION: My 30th great-grandpa was Baldwin II, King of Jerusalem and co-founder of the Knights Templar.

#39 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-04-03 07:01 PM | Reply

"Sure! His name was King George VI."

You could also include the names of all the Ottoman Emperors, probably going back to just after Baldwin II's days.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-04 10:32 AM | Reply

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