Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, April 23, 2024

A Palestinian Fatah TV anchor reported that Hamas had attacked aid workers, stolen food and water and caused food prices to skyrocket in the Gaza Strip. "It attacked them and killed some of them for two reasons: Firstly, to prevent any activity by any [other] party in the Gaza Strip; and secondly, to ensure Hamas control over the aid and its storage, which of course leads to these crazy and unreal prices that no one can pay in the shadow of this destruction. A woman in the enclave complaining that "the aid isn't reaching all the people" because the aid "is all to their [own] homes. Let Hamas catch me and shoot me and do what they want to me."

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Where my Hamas-Lovers at? Y'all got some spinning to do.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 09:42 AM | Reply

Palwatch, LOL. Keep posting that blatant Zionist propaganda, Crusader! It really helps your cause.

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#2 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 11:00 AM | Reply

Palwatch, LOL. Keep posting that blatant Zionist propaganda, Crusader! It really helps your cause. #2 | Posted by pumpkinhead

So, you're saying that wasn't a Palestinian Fatah TV anchor, and he and the old Palestinian woman weren't blaming Hamas?

I don't speak Arabic, so I'm counting on you to enlighten me if I was misled by the English news article and subtitled video.

#3 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 11:33 AM | Reply

"So, you're saying that wasn't a Palestinian Fatah TV anchor"

Didn't FATAH once fight a civil war with HAMAS? Anyway, I'm sure his comment was purely objective and based on unadulterated evidence formally requested from the IDF, he-he.

Everyone has an opinion, Crusader. But propagandists like you tend to amplify certain ones to divert focus from or cover up the ongoing Palestinian genocide by a bunch of ethno-supremacist psychopaths. With this post, combined with your reputation as a monger of red herrings, it becomes obvious that you routinely scour obscure hasbarist sites for suitable offerings on the Drudge back page. Have at it, Crusader!

#4 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 11:54 AM | Reply

[...] the ongoing Palestinian genocide by a bunch of ethno-supremacist psychopaths. [...] #4 | Posted by pumpkinhead

So, you're attacking Hamas too? "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." Hamas Charter, 1988

#5 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 12:02 PM | Reply

These are zealots on both sides... expecting anything other than the atrocities we see is irrational.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-23 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These are zealots on both sides
- CorkyTheBigot

Is anyone yelling at a protest "there is only one solution, slaughter the Palestinians"?
twitter.com

Perhaps you have a video?

#7 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-23 12:11 PM | Reply

Everyone has an opinion, Crusader.
- pumpkin head

Perhaps but they aren't in the streets intimidating, with threats of violence the other side.

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-04-23 12:13 PM | Reply

These are zealots on both sides... expecting anything other than the atrocities we see is irrational. #6 | Posted by Corky

I just get a kick out of the pro-Hamas folks (not you, Corky) revealing themselves for what they are.

I was assured when this all started that no one was pro-Hamas. And now they come out of the woodwork championing Islamist jihad, the destruction of Israel, and the murder of the one-third world population of Jews that live there. Only for starters, though. I'm sure that their version of divine retribution will require them the finish the job worldwide.

If nothing else, what I have seen has shown me why the Jews need Israel and should fight till the last man to protect it. Because they world hates them and will turn on them as soon as it suits their needs, as we see with the Democratic party and liberals outright blaming the Jews, or at least both-sidesing this.

#9 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 12:18 PM | Reply

"These are zealots on both sides... expecting anything other than the atrocities we see is irrational."

I think those who pay more attention to what others DO rather on what they SAY are the ones who will have the correct understanding of this situation, and right now, the Zionists are the ones perpetrating the genocide.

There are no "two equal sides" to this conflict; there is an occupier and an occupied. Yes, there are actions that violate humanitarian law committed by those in Gaza and even moreseo by those in Israel, and both are to blame for attacking civilians, but by no means are there two equal sides to this conflict. They are not equal in power, agency, military force or in suffering/casualties.

#10 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 12:23 PM | Reply

and right now, the Zionists are the ones perpetrating the genocide.

#10 | POSTED BY PUMPKINHEAD AT 2024-04-23 12:23 PM | FLAG:

Then why do they suck at it? They just spent 7 months rampaging an army through a place with 2 million people and only managed to kill 34,000.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-23 12:41 PM | Reply

"and right now, the Zionists are the ones perpetrating the genocide. #10 | POSTED BY PUMPKINHEAD"

Then why do they suck at it? They just spent 7 months rampaging an army through a place with 2 million people and only managed to kill 34,000. #11 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Trying to save money on bullets. You know how those people are.

#12 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 12:49 PM | Reply

"Then why do they suck at it? "

At what point was the Holocaust considered a genocide? When 500 Jews were killed? When 50,000 Jews were killed? When 500,000 Jews were killed? When 5,000,000 Jews were killed? When did the Nazis stop sucking at genocide and start to do well? Tell us, Sitzkrieg.

Or was it when the Nazis formally decided that the Jews were not welcome and must be eradicated? Just like the Zionists' formal decision to eradicate everyone in their "promised land" some 100+ years ago, based on a bunch of snuff-porn from their genocide-promoting scripture?

#13 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

At what point was the Holocaust considered a genocide? [...] #13 | Posted by pumpkinhead

Maybe once they start targeting the 20% of Israeli citizens who are Muslim?

The Israelis should take genocide lessons from the Palestinians. The Palestinians seem to have done a bang-up job ensuring that zero Jews exist in land that they control.

#14 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 12:53 PM | Reply

"Maybe once they start targeting the 20% of Israeli citizens who are Muslim?"

So the Jews in Germany that helped enable the Nazis kill their brethren in the Holocaust kept the Holocaust from being considered a genocide-- at least until they, too were targeted. Got it.

#15 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More mass graves found (you know, the type of mass graves usually associated with ongoing genocides) uncovered in Gaza.

But our resident crusader denies it's a genocide--at least until they are all killed or effectively "neutralized".

#16 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 01:07 PM | Reply

Yes, Hamas sucks too. Got it.

No one is claiming otherwise.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-23 01:10 PM | Reply

"The Israelis should take genocide lessons from the Palestinians."

Are you joking?

Tell us what you think the people who killed 30,000 civilians might learn from the people who killed 28,800 fewer civilians.

Just tell us.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 01:15 PM | Reply

#7 remains intensely obtuse, no matter the rationality around him.

The very idea that Israeli settlers are not pro-slaughter the Palestinians is absurd, and the fact that more than 30K dead Palestinians, mostly civilian families, hasn't satisfied Israeli blood lust is one side of the zealot coin... and Palestinians attacking the Tiger with a blowgun, thinking their Big Bro neighbor states, who never did squat for them, are going to step in is the other.

There's no good guys in this age old family feud. It's like the Hatfield and the McCoys on meth.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-23 01:15 PM | Reply

""Maybe once they start targeting the 20% of Israeli citizens who are Muslim?"
So the Jews [...] #15 | Posted by pumpkinhead

Your statement was a non-sequitur that had nothing to do with what I said. I realize that English may not be your first language, so I've bolded the pertinent text for you. Maybe talk to some of those Palestinian Jews I mentioned earlier if you need additional language help.

More mass graves found (you know, the type of mass graves usually associated with ongoing genocides) uncovered in Gaza. [...] #16 | Posted by pumpkinhead

Lol! Do you just post whatever Hamas tells you to type up?

"The officials falsely claim the dead were buried in a mass grave by Israeli forces. Despite the claims, the mass grave was not suddenly "discovered," as it has been documented that Palestinians buried their dead at the hospital grounds both before and while Israeli troops operated in the area. Generally, the IDF does not tend to the bodies of slain Palestinians in the Gaza Strip." www.timesofisrael.com

Yes, Hamas sucks too. Got it. No one is claiming otherwise. #17 | Posted by Sycophant
You should read up on what our resident Islamic jihadists have to say on the matter. Maybe start with PumpkinHead's posts here.

#20 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 01:16 PM | Reply

At least there aren't any, or many, trans involved.

They have better things to fight about.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2024-04-23 01:17 PM | Reply

"Palestinians attacking the Tiger with a blowgun"

Really only Hamas doing that.

The Palestinians living under the Hamas terror regime that was backed by Israel for the past quarter century are victims of both Israel and Hamas.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 01:32 PM | Reply

"More mass graves found"

Buy Caterpillar stock.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 01:33 PM | Reply

"Lol! Do you just post whatever Hamas tells you to type up?"

Are Yahoo and CNN secretly Hamas, Crusader?

#24 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 01:37 PM | Reply

This is Censored the Crusader's big moment! He has uncovered a nefarious plot where both CNN and Yahoo have been exposed disseminating HAMAS propaganda!!

#25 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 01:39 PM | Reply

At what point was the Holocaust considered a genocide?

#13 | POSTED BY PUMPKINHEAD AT 2024-04-23 12:49 PM | FLAG:

It certainly happened faster than 19 years. People are arguing it's been an ongoing genocide for 78 years.

So.. how incompetent at genocide are the jews? They could have it the Strip depopulated in a few days given their capabilities.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-23 02:03 PM | Reply

"So.. how incompetent at genocide are the jews?"

The idea is to stop them before that question can be answered.

#27 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 02:13 PM | Reply

"So.. how incompetent at genocide are the jews?"

Old Testament much?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 02:35 PM | Reply

This is Censored the Crusader's big moment!
You keep saying that word like it's supposed to be an insult. Maybe amongst the crowd you keep, but not so much in the West.

He has uncovered a nefarious plot where both CNN and Yahoo have been exposed disseminating HAMAS propaganda!!#25 | Posted by pumpkinhead

From your article: "CNN is unable to verify Suleiman's claims and cannot confirm the causes of death among the bodies being unearthed." LOL! Even CNN admits they got nothing to go on besides the words of Col. Yamen Abu Suleiman, Director of Civil Defense in Khan Younis. Now I don't know much about the Colonel, but dollars to doughnuts he has some connection to Hamas.

So yeah, CNN and Yahoo are spouting Hamas propaganda. As are you, but no surprise there.

#29 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-23 03:03 PM | Reply

"So yeah, CNN and Yahoo are spouting Hamas propaganda"

Always a Victim!

It's the hallmark of a Deplorable.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-23 03:15 PM | Reply

We should definitely take everybody in this conflict at face value. That's a completely logical thing to do as none of them ever lie.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-24 08:00 AM | Reply

So.. how incompetent at genocide are the jews? They could have it the Strip depopulated in a few days given their capabilities.

#26 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Yes, and we will be greeted like liberators in Iraq.

If you think its that easy, you missed the last century of warfare.

In addition, that approach would end all of their alliances and support (including financial).

#32 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-24 01:36 PM | Reply

"They could have it the Strip depopulated in a few days given their capabilities."

It's almost like they don't want to be seen as genocidal maniacs and spoken of in the same breath as Nazis.

I wonder why that is.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 01:44 PM | Reply

This is me, being not at all surprised by this "revelation."

#34 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-24 01:48 PM | Reply

Nobody should be surprised when a terror regime does terror regime things.

The thing that is so surprising that lots of people can't quite wrap their head around it, is Israel's support for the Hamas terror regime for the past 25 years. Some people outright deny it. It's unfortunate but understandable. It's like learning that the police have no duty to serve and protect. Even if people know that as a fact, it still doesn't change the way they think about the police.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 01:55 PM | Reply

"There are no "two equal sides" to this conflict; there is an occupier and an occupied."

Which one is which?

As I see it, both have legitimate claim to the land, and more importantly the former owners-the British-split it up between them. The dual concepts of Palestinian and Jewish states are no different than what the Brits did in establishing Pakistan as a homeland for Muslims on the Indian subcontinent. Or was that a mistake as well.

"They are not equal in power, agency, military force or in suffering/casualties."

You clearly have a side you favor, which colors your perceptions. Did you ever wonder why the Palestinians suffer? Do you think it might have anything to do with the tens of thousands of rocket and artillery attacks that have been launched against Israel from Gaza? The actions against Israel by Palestinian militants since the beginning of statehood?

More importantly, what do you think Israel would do if the Palestinians were to surrender unconditionally and lay down their arms? Defeated them with overwhelming force to the point where the Palestinians had the choice of not fight or die. Like Germany and Japan in WWII. Do you think Israel would cleanse the region of Palestinians? I don't.

But I'm pretty sure the Palestinians would cleanse the region of Jews if they were in the same position. Why? Because it's one of their key goals, echoed in one of their key slogans. I can't say for sure, but I think they would probably let the Palestinian Israelis stay. Maybe.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 02:28 PM | Reply

"At what point was the Holocaust considered a genocide?"

Genocide is the intentional extirpation of a society or population.

"From the river to the Sea" is a call for genocide. A call for the elimination of the Jewish state, and the Jews who live within it.

A call to push the Jews into the sea, as stated by at least one Arab leader, and echoed by many more.

It's basically the Palestinian Final Solution to the Jewish question.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 02:31 PM | Reply

"you know, the type of mass graves usually associated with ongoing genocides"

Was the Katyn Forest massacre an example of genocide? If not, why?

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 02:33 PM | Reply

"It's almost like they don't want to be seen as genocidal maniacs and spoken of in the same breath as Nazis."

What Israel is doing now isn't much different than what the western allied did to their adversaries in Germany and Japan during WWII. Much more recently, the western coalition fighting against the Islamic State leveled several major cities in Syria and Iraq, along with numerous smaller cities in those countries.

Was that Genocide?

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 02:38 PM | Reply

I suggest everyone read Raphael Lemkin's legal explanation of what constitutes genocide, which was used to formulate the UN's 1948 Genocide Convention.

Using that legal definition, by all objective measures, what Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people over the past three generations overwhelmingly points to it being a genocide.

.

#40 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2024-04-24 02:41 PM | Reply

Was that Genocide?
#39 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

If the answer is yes, will you say Israel is engaged in genocide?
LMFAO

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 03:01 PM | Reply

"A call for the elimination of the Jewish state, and the Jews who live within it."

I'm not so sure about that last part...

Either way, Zionists in the Knesset have called for the establishment of Eretz Yisrael. Is that a call for genocide?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 03:05 PM | Reply

#40. No it isn't.

Israel is protecting its own interests. In 1948 the Jews took control of the region from the outgoing Brits.

Not a single Palestinian family was displaced. Not a single grain of sand changed owners ... . There wasn't even rumors those things were going to happen.

The Palestinians (who have never had self rule in the region, unlike the Jews) had a choice. Accept the country as it was now, and work to ensure their voices were heard and assist in the forward movement of the country and its government.

Well they chose option 2 which was immediately vow to try and kill the entire Jewish population, join the armies of Egypt and Syria, and then storm back in to try and take the country by force.

The Palestinians are solely responsible due the Jews having been on a war footing, solely responsible for the Israeli government to need to consolidate its power and control land to improve its defensive posture.

They did this. They should have waited to see what new government would bring but no. They are murderous thugs that only know violence. They pushed Israel into this defensive posture, the Palestinians and Egypt/Syria who have all vowed to annihilate the Jews, are the problem.

#43 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-24 03:08 PM | Reply

"As I see it, both have legitimate claim to the land, and more importantly the former owners-the British-split it up between them."

Israel has expanded since then, into the West Bank, Golan Heights, etc. So, should Israel shrink back down to the borders given to them legitimately by the British split and the UN Resolution?

If not, why bring it up?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 03:08 PM | Reply

Gaslighting.

The Israeli's have No Intention of ever giving Anything back Ever.

Thousands of acres of Palestinian land in the West Bank just approved for new Settlements in the last month alone.

This is the final push to "finish it" in Trump's words.

Fast or slow it's obvious the Israeli's want to cleanse"Samaria" and "Judea" of Philistines, I mean,uh, Palestinians.

This obvious to anyone not Gaslighting to delude the simple.

Apartheid alone is bad Enough, but Apartheid and Murder on industrial scale is NAZI behavior.

People who deny this are Liars.

#45 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-24 03:25 PM | Reply

"The Palestinians (who have never had self rule in the region, unlike the Jews) had a choice."

If they never had self rule, then they didn't have much of a choice.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 03:34 PM | Reply

Of course they don't. That land they expanded into came as a result of being attacked. Immediately after they began their existence. They now sit sandwiched between countries who's stated diplomatic objective is to obliterate them.

Those parcels of land make the country more defensible.

#47 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-24 03:35 PM | Reply

46: sort of. The lack of self rule in history means the region was never "there's." They lived there, sure. But that doesn't mean they have an ancestral right to govern themselves there.

The Jews at least can claim historical self rule.

#48 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-24 03:37 PM | Reply

The Palestinians have zero moral high ground.

If they had chosen to participate in the new government and not immediately turned to violence ... . They would. But they forever gave that away to the Jews by being the first to violence. The first to throw decorum out the window and be blood thirsty savages. This is the history they wanted, and got.

#49 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-24 03:40 PM | Reply

"The Jews at least can claim historical self rule."

Ancient history is not the basis for Israel's legitimacy as a state.

Unless you're a Zionist who says Israel belongs to Jews because G-d said so.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 03:43 PM | Reply

And if you say that, you are also saying Jews get all of Palestine and much of Syria too.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 03:43 PM | Reply

Were they invited to "participate" in the new government?

Or were they immediately considered second class and pushed around?

The Irgun were killing Palestinians before 1948. I think you have an ax to grind.

More gaslighting? Perhaps.

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-24 03:46 PM | Reply

"If the answer is yes, will you say Israel is engaged in genocide?"

If the answer is yes, then everyone is doing it. The US (and western Europe) in the former fight against the Taliban, the current fight against ISIS, and the allied fight against both Germany and Japan during WWII.

Russia is engaged in genocide in Ukraine. Ukraine is conducting genocide against Russians. And the Islamists are conducting genocide against their foes in Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq...just like they did with the Yazidis. Hamas is sitting back waiting for the moment they find themselves free to join the genocide club as well.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 03:52 PM | Reply

"Israel has expanded since then, into the West Bank, Golan Heights, etc. So, should Israel shrink back down to the borders given to them legitimately by the British split and the UN Resolution?"

Those areas were captured because they were key terrain utilized by the Syrian Arab Army during a massive attack on Israel. Giving it up to the Syrians would give them a decided battlefield advantage if they ever chose to attack Israel again.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 03:55 PM | Reply

"Ancient history is not the basis for Israel's legitimacy as a state."

Then how could the Palestinians claim it as an ancestral state?

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 03:56 PM | Reply

"Those areas were captured because they were key terrain utilized by the Syrian Arab Army during a massive attack on Israel. Giving it up to the Syrians would give them a decided battlefield advantage if they ever chose to attack Israel again."

If the security situation was untenable, then Israel should have rejected the UN partition, like the Palestinians did.

You want Israel to have their cake and eat it too.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-24 04:01 PM | Reply

"Were they invited to "participate" in the new government? Or were they immediately considered second class and pushed around?"

Some maybe, but the vast majority were encouraged by Israel to stay in their homes and move forward with the new arrangement. But senior Palestinian leaders encouraged them to flee the war zone, giving the Arab armies maneuver space to eradicate the Jewish population, after which the Palestinians could return and split the spoils of what was taken from the Jews.

Of course, the war didn't pan out like that. The Arab armies were forced into retreat, and the Palestinians who fled lost their land.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 04:01 PM | Reply

Why would they do that?

Israel is so well behaved and such a good neighbor. No problems at all.

Israel was forced on the locals. At the point of a gun. They weren't asked their permission.

Usurpers came, and killed and stole. How are the Usurpers in the right here?

The Usurpers got "Permission" from the British, whose only claim to Palestine was Violence.

That makes Israel Illegitimate from birth. The fruit of a poisonous Imperial tree.

Bastards.

#58 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-24 04:02 PM | Reply

#56

The bottom line is that the Golan heights would still be Syrian territory, had they not used it to conduct strikes against Israel.

As a side, Israel did capture the entire Sinai Peninsula, which doubled the amount of Israeli territory. They gave it back to Egypt as part of a peace agreement.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-04-24 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The bottom line is that the Golan heights would still be Syrian territory, had they not used it to conduct strikes against Israel."

That argument gives Israel a claim to all of the Levant; they just haven't taken it yet. But when they do, you'll say it's justified to ensure Israel's security.

If the war has gone the other way, would you support the loss of Israeli territory in the name of Syrian Jordanian and Egyptian security?

Or is there a "you started it" thing happening here?

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:05 AM | Reply

That is such a load of crap.

The number one thing Palestinians always say is: "this has always been our land".

Well yes.

You've lived there. But never ruled it.

The Jews have ALWAYS lived there as well. And they at one point ruled it. So who has the stronger claim to take it over as the Brit's withdrew?

Well, an international body consulted on that very thing and decided that the Jews claim was the strongest.

They could have waited to see what the new government meant for them. But they didn't. They had no idea if it was going to be second class status, full and equal rights, complete annihilation ... . They knew NOTHING. instead of just being patient, and not violent ------, they attacked and vowed to murder their very neighbors before the ink was dry.

And it's more than them just given the Syrian and Egyptian armored maneuver room. Many Palestinians joined those two armies and attacked their own country!

They caused the reactionary Jewish response. It can't be denied. The root cause of this falls squarely at the feet of the Palestinians. There is no reasonable debate about that.

#61 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-25 02:27 PM | Reply

"The root cause of this falls squarely at the feet of the Palestinians."

Palestinians didn't cause Theodor Herzl to be born.
Zionism is European Colonialism for Jews.

"Herzl formed the Zionist Organization and promoted Jewish immigration to Palestine in an effort to form a Jewish state." --Wikipedia

The root cause of this is Western Nation Building, along very familiar British Divide And Conquer lines.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 02:47 PM | Reply

Oh, so now the difference is made by the birth of one person?

But for him, it wouldn't be the right thing to do? No one else would have come along after ww2 and seen the retreating British and thought? Hey you know what works be a good idea after the Jews were almost exterminated? Give them their ancestral homeland that just so happens too be vacant and in need of a leadership structure?

Stop it.

The Jews have legitimate claim. They now own it and have a right to exist. They have the right to exist PEACEFULLY.

The Palestinians could be enjoying full citizenship liner millions of Israeli Arabs, but nah. They think it's just so much more fun to be murderous pigs.

#63 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-25 03:29 PM | Reply

"But for him, it wouldn't be the right thing to do?"

It wasn't the right thing to do... but it was his idea.
The Israeli Constitution gives him credit but you can't?

"Hey you know what works be a good idea after the Jews were almost exterminated? Give them their ancestral homeland"

"Give them" is exactly the problem.

What makes it Britain's to give?
What makes that part of the Middle East Europe's, to give to a bunch of European Jews?

It's a colony of Jews, founded by outsiders. It shouldn't be surprising the indigenous population feels slighted. Because they were.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 04:48 PM | Reply

"Give them their ancestral homeland that just so happens too be vacant"

That is a lie.
"A land with no people, for a people with no land"
Is a Zionist fairy tale you should have outgrown by now

Palestinian villages were bulldozed by Israelis.
Do you really not know that!!??

That is shocking that you don't know that.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 05:04 PM | Reply

The Palestinians could be enjoying full citizenship liner millions of Israeli Arabs.
#63 | POSTED BY ABH

No they couldn't.

About half a million Palestinians fled in terror of, or were forced to flee by, the Zionists.

You probably do know that Israel says the Palestinians who were rum off the land do not have any right to return.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 05:14 PM | Reply

"They have the right to exist PEACEFULLY."

You wouldn't know it.

They have been forcibly, violently expanding into the West Bank for decades.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 05:16 PM | Reply

It's embarrassing for you how poor your reading comprehension is.

They have been NOW. BUT THEY WEREN'T WHEN THEY ATTACKED!

Their violence put Israel on the defensive. Their attempt to wipe out the Israel and murder all Jews in the region while eliciting Syria and Egypt to swear to kill then to the last man scared then to their core.

You don't think they get to react to that? They don't get to defend themselves?

It's ridiculous to think otherwise.

The Palestinians instantly attacked after losing nothing. Violence is their first last and only choice. Israel has been on the DEFENSIVE ever since.

That doesn't mean I agree with all their tactics. But they have a right to exist. They have a right to rule Israel. The Palestinians are petulant murderous children.

That's the only way to look at it. They deserve no sympathy.

#68 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-25 06:26 PM | Reply

"Their violence put Israel on the defensive."

Israel was born of Zionist violence.

Exhibit A: King David Hotel.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:30 PM | Reply

"That's the only way to look at it. They deserve no sympathy."

That's a great way to look at 30,000 dead Palestinian civilians, 30,000 of whom were born into a situation not of their making.

Your cop attitude is showing.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:33 PM | Reply

"You don't think they get to react to that? They don't get to defend themselves?"

Do the Palestinians get to react to Britain turning Palestine into a homeland for foreign European Jews?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:36 PM | Reply

"The Palestinians instantly attacked after losing nothing."

Nothing?
They lost half their homeland by UN declaration in 1948.
As you said above, it was given away by Britain to people who didn't even live there.
And you even said it was given because of events that happened in Europe.

Why that should be a burden on Palestinians people is not easy to answer, which is why you fell for the lie that it was a land with nothing in it.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:40 PM | Reply

"Israel has been on the DEFENSIVE ever since."

Sure.
The defensive killing of 30,000 Palestinian civilians.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 06:41 PM | Reply

A referendum before creating Israel in 1948 would have been a good idea.

Even the Russians go through the motions of that.

But not Britain or the US, even the UN was too certain it would fail miserably to get enough local support.

So they created Israel by Imperial Fiat.

Nobody was asked their opinion, just told how it was going to be.

Then the Israeli's Were SHOCKED that there was violence after that.

Not so shocked that they hadn't been doing it for years before "Statehood" was bestowed by their benefactors.

GTFOH with the peaceful intentions BS about the proto-Zionists.

They've been bloodthirsty terrorists since long before 1948.

#74 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-25 06:57 PM | Reply

They lost nothing. They lived in their house, Britain was in charge.

The next day, they lived in the exact same house, and the Jews had taken over. No one lost one grain of sand out of their yard ... .. and yet it was death and murder time!

I'd have nothing but sympathy for them if this situation had played out like it has but the Palestinians had never attacked, never vowed to murder all the Jews, and their neighbors can't joined them in some blood thirsty frenzy.

That's how they could have obtained the moral high ground. But they are just too bloodthirsty.

#75 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-25 08:39 PM | Reply

#75 is Zionist mythology they teach Jewish children.

You're denying this happened:

The Nakba (Arabic: an-Nakbah, lit.'The Catastrophe') was the ethnic cleansing[1] of Palestinians in Mandatory Palestine during the 1948 Palestine war through their violent displacement and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society, culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations.
en.m.wikipedia.org

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 08:49 PM | Reply

Like, you are obviously not dumb, so what gives?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 08:50 PM | Reply

Come on.

The operative words are:

"During the war"

During ... .as in, they had already attacked for no reason whatsoever ... ..

But it was a swell try.

#78 | Posted by ABH at 2024-04-25 08:53 PM | Reply

"That's how they could have obtained the moral high ground."

As a secular construct of the West, Israel ought to have held the moral high ground from the start.

Israel has not lived up to that potential.
They especially have not since 1967.
It got worse after 1995.
It got worse still after Oct 7 2023.

Make all the excuses you want. There's no moral high ground in responding to the outrage of the killing of 1,200 civilians by killing 30,000 civilians.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 08:55 PM | Reply

"they had already attacked for no reason whatsoever .."

You sound as brainwashed as those who said 9/11 came out of nowhere.

Was the King David Hotel attacked for no reason whatever? Then state the reason.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 08:56 PM | Reply

The UN created Israel, they can dismember it too.

They should force the settlements out of the West Bank.

If Israel is found guilty of Genocide that should be the sanction.

If NATO can dismember Serbia, why can't the UN dismember Israel if they commit genocide?

NATO created Kosovo to save the Albanian drug gang KLO.

The UN should stick up for the Palestinians, they're being abused and killed.

Hamas shouldn't be a reason not to Sanction Israel severely.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

#81 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-04-25 09:00 PM | Reply

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#15 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 01:00 PM
So the Jews in Germany that helped enable the Nazis kill their brethren in the Holocaust kept the Holocaust from being considered a genocide

Your link to www.tabletmag.com - The Jews Who Fought for Nazi Germany doesn't say anything in it or has any claimed relationship to "enabling" Holocaust (1942-1945) or supposed claimed "genocide" of Arab "Palestinians." Germany's wars in Europe and draft started in 1938-1939, with Sudetenland, way before camps.

Just a few excerpts, to show what a nonsensical "conclusion" from said article would be "helped enable the Holocaust":

|------- ... Some believed they could save their families by serving. ... A few, especially on the Russian front, would claim later that while they served in Hitler's army, they helped save the lives of other Jews in lands where they fought and conquered.

... Some ... applied for special dispensation. Hitler could make anyone an Aryan by fiat. He did just that with the Field Marshal Erhard Milch, General der Flieger Helmuth Wilberg, and others who had proved their military value.

... What else could they have done? Refusing to serve ... would have sent one more member of the family to Auschwitz. A Wehrmacht lieutenant maintains that ... military service was the only hope for survival.
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Here is another book by the same author, about Ritchie Boys, German-born American Jews fighting against Germany as spies because of perfect knowledge of German language, accent and manners - the program has only recently been declassified.
lithub.com - Ellen Feldman on the Fascinating Story of the Ritchie Boys | How the History of German-Jewish Refugee Soldiers During WWII Shaped My Novel | 2021-09-10

|------- Then in 1942, the Army realized it was sitting on a gold mine. These "enemy aliens," whom the military and the country at large suspected and shunned, not only spoke the enemy's language, they also understood German customs and psychology. Camp Ritchie, a top-secret camp, second in security only to the Manhattan Project, was set up in rural Maryland to train these young men for intelligence work. ...
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As to how to declare and execute the genocide as an official policy of the governing body of state or territory, one can watch movie Conspiracy (2001, 1hr 36min) with Stanley Tucci and Kenneth Branagh. Or can read about it here (! spoilers alert !) - en.m.wikipedia.org(2001_film) - it describes actual planning of actual genocide in Wannsee meeting in 1942.

In 1942 the rate of extermination of Jews by German Nazis was about 15,000 a day. You would think the Israelis knew how to do it by now, if they ever had any interest in it?

Since 2007 - after Gazans voted for Hamas terrorists to become their governing authority and they promptly threw members if Palestinian Authority from the roofs - Hamas and Israel had 15 negotiated "cease-fires" - that's approximately 1 a year. Hamas broke 15 of them, firing rockets into Israel from residential areas and buildings, then claimed to be the victims and relying on propaganda in the US and "international community" to stop retaliation.
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#82 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-04-25 09:47 PM | Reply

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#13 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2024-04-23 12:49 PM
Or was it when the Nazis formally decided that the Jews were not welcome and must be eradicated? Just like the Zionists' formal decision to eradicate everyone in their "promised land" some 100+ years ago, based on a bunch of snuff-porn from their genocide-promoting scripture?

If that's ever been an official Israeli government policy, instead of a wet dream of few nuts, like our "Moscow Marjorie" Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, fake "socialist" Bernie Sanders et al, then they are clearly doing it wrong - populations of Arabs in Palestinian territories grew manifold and >20% of Israel's population are Arabs and/or Muslims (exempt from mandatory military service, having their own political parties and serving in Knesset and at all levels of government, including Supreme Court), and Israel attempted at least 4 time to make Palestine a free state (or states, if they could ever sort out Gaza-West Bank "Two states solution") which Russian-Iranian-"Palestinian government" axis refused to accept in favor of "From the River to the Sea."

But blaming "some 100+ years ago Zionists" for today's Palestinian people problems and ignoring modern history of Russian and Iranian support of Palestinian and worldwide terrorism is not an original concept, especially considering that Hamas - and before that, until 1993**, Yasser Arafat's (KGB code name "Aref") Fatah / Mahmoud Abbas' (KGB code name "Krotov/Mole") PLO - actually have it in their charter a genocide of Jews and destruction of Israel.

Founder of Fatah and al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, Yasser Arafat was an Egyptian, born in Cairo and attended King Fouad I / now Cairo University, but KGB created a fake "Palestinian" certificate of birth in Jerusalem, which allowed Arafat to study in Egyptian schools without payment. To many, his constant images in keffiyeh on TV made him just another socialist hero "Che" Guevara.

www.ynetnews.com - The KGB's Middle East Files: Palestinians in the service of Mother Russia
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** Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's right to exist in peace and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people. Despite the Israel - PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition, in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced "terrorism and other acts of violence" against Israel, the PLO continued to engage in militant activities, particularly during the Second Intifada (2000 " 2005). On 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel, and subsequently halted all forms of security and economic cooperation with Israeli authorities until Israel recognizes a Palestinian state on the pre-1967 borders.
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#83 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-04-25 09:48 PM | Reply

"Yasser Arafat was an Egyptian, born in Cairo and attended King Fouad I / now Cairo University, but KGB created a fake "Palestinian" certificate of birth in Jerusalem, which allowed Arafat to study in Egyptian schools without payment. To many, his constant images in keffiyeh on TV made him just another socialist hero "Che" Guevara."

You have touched on the precise reason Israel has been supporting Islamists in the tradition of the Muslim Brotherhood as early as the 80s.

To drive a wedge between the secular, pro-Soviet PLO and the religious fanatics.

We did the same thing in Afghanistan, creating Al Qaeda and appealing to religious extremism to counter the Godless Soviet.

I'm sure you know all this.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:14 PM | Reply

You talk and talk and have nothing new to say.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:15 PM | Reply

"In 1942 the rate of extermination of Jews by German Nazis was about 15,000 a day. You would think the Israelis knew how to do it by now, if they ever had any interest in it?"

Follow up question:

You think Israrl doesn't know how to defend from 1,200 Jews killed in one day, if they had any interest in it?

Respond when you're willing to acknowledge Netanyahu is the #1 butcher of Jews in our lifetime.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:20 PM | Reply

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#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:15 PM
You talk and talk and have nothing new to say.

My last post was 11 days ago, you've had hundreds of them in that time. Projecting much?

You talk and talk and have nothing new to say.

I've just posted relevant facts many people on this site never saw or heard of. You keep repeating the same fantasies and pablum over and over. Projecting much?

Good night.
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#87 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-04-25 10:46 PM | Reply

COL JESSEP (Netanyahu):

You need me on that wall!

Cut to OCT 7

NARRATOR (Morgan Freeman):

When the time came that they needed him the most, he was not on that wall.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-25 10:58 PM | Reply

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