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Tuesday, April 30, 2024

Kennedy's plan for government-backed mortgage bonds will do to housing what federal student loans have done to college tuition.

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No way that would go off the rails.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-30 08:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Make home loans like school loans"

With interest rates set by Congress, and the money being disbursed by Uncle Sam?

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-30 08:29 AM | Reply

In response to this crisis, Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has proposed a new federal home loans program, aiming to provide government-backed 3 percent mortgage bonds to anyone unable to afford a house.

Yeah, because the reason homes are overpriced is because there isn't enough money chasing a limited supply of homes.

Anyone who actually wants to decrease the cost of homes needs to favor allowing building more homes, whether condos or SFH, by decreasing regulation that impinges on construction for no good reason (e.g., onerous and unnecessary environmental restrictions).

But homeowners won't do that because it would cause their home values to plummet. And policy-makers don't want that because it would take down the unsustainable scam that is the current American economy ("America needs to change how we think about housing - Ever-increasing home values are a Ponzi scheme" theweek.com).

#3 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-30 08:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Anyone who actually wants to decrease the cost of homes needs to favor allowing building more homes"

I don't see how that is supposed to work.

New homes are far more expensive than existing homes.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-30 09:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What incentive is there to build affordable homes? There isn't one. It makes more sense to build expensive homes.

Does Ford make money selling the Ford Escape or the Ford F-150?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-30 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anyone who actually wants to decrease the cost of homes needs to favor allowing building more homes, whether condos or SFH, by decreasing regulation that impinges on construction for no good reason (e.g., onerous and unnecessary environmental restrictions).

#3 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Yeah...because THAT'S the reason they aren't enough homes and people can't afford existing ones.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with high interest rates, major investors buying out starter homes, and companies underpaying workers.

It MUST be environmental regulations somehow...

#6 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-30 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah...because THAT'S the reason they aren't enough homes and people can't afford existing ones.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with high interest rates, major investors buying out starter homes, and companies underpaying workers. It MUST be environmental regulations somehow... #6 | Posted by Sycophant

From the article I posted:
"Editorial: CEQA is too easily weaponized to block housing and slow environmental progress In the latest example of CEQA run amok, a California appellate court is considering whether noisy college students are an environmental impact, akin to pollution or habitat loss, that should be addressed before UC Berkeley can build a new dormitory to ease its student housing shortage. "

So yeah, for example, when colleges are prohibited from building dorms to house their students, those students put pressure on housing for everyone else.

From another article: "In a surprising decision, the First District of the California Court of Appeal upheld approval of a 43-unit residential project following years of "not in my backyard" obstruction, government resistance and numerous court challenges.
Though it acknowledged that the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) was meant to serve noble purposes, the Court expressed frustration that the legislation had devolved into a "formidable tool of obstruction," particularly against projects that increase housing density."

Another case, housing was delayed for years under claims that it could not be built because it would cause shadows.

When you can't build, that harms the poorest because the rich will just pay more to obtain that finite resource.

And this isn't an attack on environmental laws. The environmental laws are just the cudgel abused by existing homeowners to stop building. Because it benefits them.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-30 10:59 AM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY CENSORED

You're talking about a small issue here or there that affects maybe 1% to 0.1% of housing developments.

Worse, your "Another Article" would have happened with or without any environmental regulations because the initial argument was the County relying on a stipulated judgement when petitioners claimed they didn't have to.

Worse yet, your "Another Case" is literally about a National Register Historic District with 1,000 people, not environmental protection laws. And it wasn't about shadows. There were a host of claims.

The reality is there are tons of developments with open lots throughout the country that aren't being built on because of demand factors. And there have always been lawsuits against new developments. But the housing issue only because a serious issue in the last 10 years.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-30 11:39 AM | Reply

Isn't this buying votes? At the very least, this sounds an awful lot like SoShUliZm!!

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2024-04-30 11:46 AM | Reply

[...] The reality is there are tons of developments with open lots throughout the country that aren't being built on because of demand factors. And there have always been lawsuits against new developments. But the housing issue only because a serious issue in the last 10 years. #8 | Posted by Sycophant

Are the developments where people want to live (i.e., where there are jobs)? There are many reasons for the housing crisis, but one of them is overly restrictive zoning. And that's an issue nationwide. And that's the way existing homeowners want it.

From NPR - There's never been such a severe shortage of homes in the U.S. Here's why:
"There's another very big roadblock to home construction. "Land," says Claus. "I was just trying to buy a piece of land to build five homes on it. Unfortunately, that land went to somebody else that may put one or two on it."Claus says he wants to build more attached townhouses, or smaller homes on less land. That's what many first-time homebuyers can afford to buy. But in many places, zoning rules won't let you buy land and divide it up " you can only build one house with a big yard.

Overly restrictive zoning is a big problem nationally, says Robert Dietz, the chief economist with the National Association of Home Builders. "In certain neighborhoods you simply cannot build townhouses." "You have to build single family units on lots that are bigger than the market wants," Dietz says. "This is not a free market choice. It's a government-imposed rule.""

#10 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-30 12:01 PM | Reply

"In certain neighborhoods you simply cannot build townhouses."

And who lobbied the local government to create those rules?

Developers.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-30 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And here's an example of how we could solve our housing problems if we actually cared:
The
Eixample District in Barcelona:
Eixample-district-Barcelona-small

But, of course, existing homeowners would hit the roof.

#12 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-30 12:31 PM | Reply

Re 12

Wow. That looks like a close up of a computer chip. Don't think I would like living in a computer chip.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-30 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Kennedy's plan for government-backed mortgage bonds will do to housing what federal student loans have done to college tuition."

Like make it impossible for homeowners to declare bankruptcy?

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-30 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 That looks like a cookie sheet pan full of cereal to me.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-04-30 12:54 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-04-30 12:51 PM | FLAG:

Everybody knows what he means lol. It's the inflation of education costs greatly exceeding normal inflation that came with govt loans.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-30 01:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That looks like a close up of a computer chip. Don't think I would like living in a computer chip.
#13 | Posted by donnerboy

Even if you got to live the Tron life?

#17 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-30 01:43 PM | Reply

Wow. That looks like a close up of a computer chip. Don't think I would like living in a computer chip.
#13 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Barcelona is very livable.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-04-30 01:48 PM | Reply

The problems driving up home prices is primarily Private Equity chasing homes for investments. I know someone who has a portfolio of nearly $500 million in homes. He has a management company and rents them - that's about 1600 homes for the record. He's small potatoes in this area from he has told me.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-04-30 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

$500 million is nothing. It's a $47 trillion market at least. The root cause is always a supply issue. Most HOAs here, in one of the largest and still fastest growing metros in the world, forbid rental properties, and the metro expands mostly in a circle so there is an increasing amount of prior farmland converted to mixed residential, commercial, and light industrial areas which gives it a better supply situation than most. Private equity has the biggest impact where you have the most problems, areas that are geographically and politically constrained so you can't build outwards and building upwards is a colossally expensive project. NY does it mostly through building conversions instead of new construction but the upward prices constrained population growth compared to metros with areas to expand that flourished.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-30 06:22 PM | Reply

and RFK massively expanding demand is going to make it way worse without massive regulatory reforms all the way down to local levels. That's not realistic.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-30 06:23 PM | Reply

In certain neighborhoods you simply cannot build townhouses."

And who lobbied the local government to create those rules?

Developers.

#11 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Im not sure that that's a bad thing.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-01 12:32 PM | Reply

Make home loans like school loans? We already see how well that is doing for the students. When they should be nearing a time to buy a home they are still paying for their education loan and have little or nothing saved for a down payment for a house. Going by that, you'll never pay off your mortgage loan as it will be a near endless payment. Thanks but no thanks.

#23 | Posted by BBQ at 2024-05-01 01:32 PM | Reply

needs to favor allowing building more homes, whether condos or SFH, by decreasing regulation that impinges on construction for no good reason (e.g., onerous and unnecessary environmental restrictions).

#3 | Posted by censored at 2024-04-30 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

So much for the New Green Deal....

#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-05-01 04:11 PM | Reply

it's interesting how many self-made wealthy people will brag about going bankrupt several times before hitting it rich...

It is really a fancy way of saying I stiffed a whole lot of people on my way to the top.

#25 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-05-01 11:46 PM | Reply

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