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Putin's bitch will do whatever Vlad tells him to do.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-03 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

... Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Donald Trump should come forward with his plan to quickly end the war with Russia, warning that any proposal must avoid violating the nation's sovereignty...

Well, I'd suspect that fmr Pres Trump's plan does not include anything that Pres Zelenskiy might say or want, and everything that Pres Putin dictates.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-03 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many repug congressman are spending the 4th of July in Moscow this year?

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-04 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course, when fmr Pres Trump says he has a plan, you can be fairly sure he does not.

Candidate Trump on healthcare...

Feb 17, 2016
We're going to have great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

Nov 13, 2016
It will be better healthcare, much better for less money. Not a bad combination.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-04 03:42 PM | Reply

Trump's plans?

Disband NATO.

Hand Ukraine to Russia.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-04 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#5 ... Trump's plans? ...

That's more just following orders than an actual plan.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-04 04:09 PM | Reply

Zelenskyy should address any questions to his ambassador and furthermore stop trying to make deals directly with our legislative branch employees, regardless if they want to make deal with him. Likewise Trump should not speak to him either, besides I expect Trump's plan does not involve any consent on Zelenskyy's part.

(2) That while the President as the Chief Executive is the sole spokesman of the nation in the field of foreign relations, the Con- gress as the law-making body may prescribe the policy to be fol- lowed, and the President in dealing with foreign nations must keep within that policy.

#7 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-07-04 04:13 PM | Reply

Putin endorsing Trump, whatever his idea is.

www.youtube.com

1 min

Which Trump, like Chamberlain, has already said... give the aggressor what they want.

Maybe they'll be satisfied with what they have already by murdering thousands of civilian men, women, and children to get.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-04 04:34 PM | Reply

@#7 ... Which Trump, like Chamberlain, has already said... give the aggressor what they want. ...

If Pres Putin gets what he wants, there won't be a Ukraine. That's my guess about what fmr Pres Trump's "plan" is, just give Pres Putin what he wants.

Pres Zelensky was totally correct in asking fmr Pres Trump what his plan is.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-04 05:58 PM | Reply

The daughter-boning orange pedo is a Russian stooge.

#10 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-04 06:17 PM | Reply

And what is Biden's plan to end the war in Ukraine? Keep sending just enough help to keep it going, but not enough to actually win it. The Military Industrial Complex thanks you for your generous contribution.

#11 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-04 06:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#11 ... And what is Biden's plan to end the war in Ukraine? Keep sending just enough help to keep it going, but not enough to actually win it. ...

Sending enough aid to actually end it, may well start a larger war between Russia and the US (and NATO).

That's the problem the US (indeed, NATO) has. How to help Ukraine without expanding the scope of the war.

Fmr Pres Trump, on the other hand, seems to want to just reward Pres Putin's aggressive tendencies, ceding Ukraine to Russia. At which point, the question becomes... what country is next for Pres Putin's aggression?


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-04 06:50 PM | Reply

EXACTLY! I couldn't agree with you more. It is a very difficult problem, dancing with Putin isn't the solution and that is Precisely what Biden has been doing, starting with THIS ... ..

www.reuters.com

Why has there been virtually NO diplomacy?

#13 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-04 06:56 PM | Reply

Why has there been virtually NO diplomacy?

#13 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Why are you ignorant when educating yourself is sooooooooooooooo easy?

en.wikipedia.org

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-04 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#13 ... Why has there been virtually NO diplomacy? ...

The article you cite is from 2022.

Is it still relevant?

If so, what part?


But my view of why there has been little diplomacy s due to the following...

Pres Putin, ~give me all of Ukraine and the war will end.~

Pres Zelensky, ~No.~


The Obstacles to Diplomacy in Ukraine (April 2024)
www.foreignaffairs.com

... Russia's Extreme Demands -- and Ukraine's Desire to Survive -- Make Negotiations Unlikely ...


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-04 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cadet Bone Spurs encouraged Putin to do whatever the hell he wanted.

#16 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-07-04 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A better question for Zelensky is, what is his plan to do something for Trump. And it needs to be better than what Putin plans on giving Trump to look the other way.

Should Trump be elected.

#17 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-07-04 07:24 PM | Reply

@#17

Yup.

Fmr Pres Trump is transactional.



#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-04 07:25 PM | Reply

#15 Note, I said "starting with" to cite that two year old article, because that's exactly when Biden defined his wish washy weak- ass position towards Putin.

Diplomacy? What has the Biden administration done besides say, "Pretty Please, President Putin"?

#19 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-04 07:59 PM | Reply

@#19 ... What has the Biden administration done besides say, "Pretty Please, President Putin"? ...

Well, for starters, that is not what the Biden administration has been saying.

Diplomacy is a two-way street.

If the entity on the other side of the diplomacy table, i.e., Pres Putin, is not willing to negotiate, do not blame the Biden administration.

Or do you side with fmr Pres Trump and say negotiations should just cede Ukraine to Pres Putin?



Russia, China absent as world leaders meet for Ukraine peace conference (June 2024)
www.aljazeera.com

... China's non-participation in Switzerland summit raises questions over point of event, which Russia dismissed as futile'.

World leaders are gathering in Switzerland for a summit aimed at pressuring Russia to end its war in Ukraine, but the absence of powerful allies of Moscow such as China is expected to blunt its potential impact.

United States Vice President Kamala Harris and the leaders of the United Kingdom, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan are among those who joined Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the summit starting on Saturday. ...




#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-04 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zelensky can brush up on his Russian language skills for all I care.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-07-05 10:35 AM | Reply

This is code speak for "what's in it for me?"

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-07-05 12:01 PM | Reply

Trump to Zelensky: How is the investigation of the Biden Crime Family progressing?

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-07-05 12:16 PM | Reply

#20 No, I don't side with Trump. I realize this thread is about Trump, but it is certainly fair to ask what Biden plans to do about the war in Ukraine, which appears to be more of the same which isn't working either.

It is rather frustrating that the only response to criticism about Biden (who has been the actual present for the past 3-1/2 years) isto contrast him with Trump.

#24 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-05 02:09 PM | Reply

If Trump abandons NATO, and just gives Ukraine to Russia, does ANYONE actually believe Russia will stop with Ukraine?

#25 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-07-05 02:15 PM | Reply

If trump had a plan that could end the war with Ukraine the victor his withholding it is no different than holding back medicine from a dying man.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2024-07-05 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaking if withholding medicine from a dying man.....During the runup to the 2020 election, Biden frequently touted that he had a plan to get the COVID pandemic under control. The really wierd thing is that he did not reveal his plan. It seemed we had to elect him first before he would reveal it to us. That was a defining moment for many people I knew. The remark was, "If he has a plan to end this, what is he waiting for? Why is he keeping it a secret? People are dying."

I will look for a link, but I remember that clearly.

#27 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-07-05 07:25 PM | Reply

Malarkey.

There was no "secret" plan.

Biden's plan: Doing what the public health experts have been saying all along.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-07-05 07:43 PM | Reply

Biden's plan: Doing what the public health experts have been saying all along.
#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This is false.

He mentioned a plan during debates, but lacked details.

I don't believe the experts had $1.9T spending in the cards.
reason.com

#29 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-07-05 08:03 PM | Reply

I believe Trump's plan is simple like the man.

He negotiates directly with Putin.

Come to terms, stop sending dollars to Ukraine.

NATO follows.

#30 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-07-05 08:05 PM | Reply

Trump's plan is the first Hotel Building Permit he gets from either Moscow or Kiev gets to keep Ukraine.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-05 08:15 PM | Reply

Zelenskyy should address any questions to his ambassador and furthermore stop trying to make deals directly with our legislative branch employees, regardless if they want to make deal with him. Likewise Trump should not speak to him either ...

Unless Zelenskyy is finally ready to sign off on that made up dirt on "The Biden Crime Family" that twice impeached convicted felon Trumpy had demanded from him in exchange for the military help already authorized by Congress against Russia in the now infamous "perfect phone call".

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-05 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#32

THIS!

Sorry, but it's just so nice when I see actual history being posted.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-05 09:51 PM | Reply

what is Biden's plan to end the war in Ukraine? Keep sending just enough help to keep it going, but not enough to actually win it. The Military Industrial Complex thanks you for your generous contribution.
#11 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Russia has a finite supply of military armaments. They can't keep up their humiliating aggression for much longer. Which is why Putin's greatest strategy is for Trump to win the election.

Republicans couldn't shut up about how Great War is for our economy when BushJr had us in Afghanistan and Iraq. The military industrial complex fuels our nation and economy.

But helping the Ukraine trounce Russia is just too much for republicans to handle.

By the way, no comment about the billions given to Israel?

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-05 10:02 PM | Reply

Seems like the only war republicans don't support is against Russia.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-05 10:02 PM | Reply

There 10's of TRILLIONS in rare earth metals, lithium, titanium, and iron and coal, etc. in Ukraine. Lots of it in Donbas region. Ukraine has the highest concentrations in all of Europe.

Do you want Ukraine to have control of it, or do you want Russia to take it by force, obliterating all the cities and people? Putin doesn't care one bit about Ukrainian people, their buildings, their history, their lives. If Ukraine loses the coal access, that will severely restrict energy generation.

Russia only has one major export: Petroleum. Everything is riding on them getting resources they don't have. Otherwise they're going to die as petroleum exports continue to decline.

www.washingtonpost.com

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2024-07-05 10:14 PM | Reply

I don't really think Zelensky is operating from a position of strength to be asking Trump of his plans for ending the war. He'll take whatever deal Trump gives him.

#37 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-07-05 11:50 PM | Reply

"During the runup to the 2020 election, Biden frequently touted that he had a plan to get the COVID pandemic under control. The really wierd thing is that he did not reveal his plan."

The American economy has rebounded from COVID stronger than anyone else.

That plan?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-07-06 07:37 AM | Reply

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