Gen Z Lead the Fight Against Tipping for Bad Service

Thursday, October 10, 2024

A new survey has revealed that Generation Z are most likely to leave an establishment without tipping when faced with poor service, challenging long-held gratuity norms in the U.S.

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You don't want to tip?

Don't eat at a sit down restaurant.

Period.

Don't argue that you aren't tipping because "I don't believe in tip culture" because the wait staff struggling to earn a living don't give a --- about your culture war nonsense.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-10 08:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Gen Z shouldn't be allowed to treat themselves to anything nice, ever, if they can't afford to also subsidize big business's labor expenses.

#2 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2024-10-10 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bad service gets 3 pennies from me. Good service gets 20%.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-10-10 11:14 AM | Reply

@#2 ... Don't argue that you aren't tipping because "I don't believe in tip culture" because the wait staff struggling to earn a living ...

When I used to travel to The Netherlands on business (20 or so years ago), one thing I noticed when eating out. When the credit card slip came for me to sign, there was no line on it for a tip. If I wanted to leave a tip, I'd have to ask for a new zslip with the tip line on it.

But in The Netherlands, tipping is not typically done.

As a result, the wait staff are less anxious to turn tables over to get more tips, so eating out takes on a whole new much more relaxed and unhurried approach. Typically spend the evening, or a good part of it, enjoying dinner.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-10 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Gen Z is the least "white" generation in history. Is this correlated with the poor tipping practices? If you know anyone in the service industry, you already know the correlation.

#5 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-10 10:55 PM | Reply

Younger people are more likely to stiff servers? Isn't that the way it has always been?

#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-10-11 12:50 AM | Reply

"Younger people are more likely to stiff servers? Isn't that the way it has always been?
#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce"

From my survey of waitstaff and bartenders, it is: black people, old people and Europeans in that order for bad tipping.

Young people, especially those that work/worked as waitresses, tend to tip very well.

#7 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-11 01:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From my experience whites always expect a tip despite poorly concealed prejudices.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

#8 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-10-11 04:31 AM | Reply

"From my experience whites always expect a tip despite poorly concealed prejudices.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
#8 | Posted by fresno500"

So you skip on the tip because they are guilty of "working while white". Got it.

But it does bring up an interesting chicken and egg discussion. Due whites poorly conceal their prejudices because they expect no tip from non-whites or did the poorly conceal prejudices come first?

#9 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-11 05:38 AM | Reply

re: Deadman

Hi racist!

#10 | Posted by hamburglar at 2024-10-11 05:52 AM | Reply

I tip generously more since Covid, not because I can, but because it will help someone who works hard and needs it. But I also am feeling some tip fatigue from over expectation. Whats next tipping politicians and physicians?

#11 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-11 07:29 AM | Reply

Gen Z shouldn't be allowed to treat themselves to anything nice, ever, if they can't afford to also subsidize big business's labor expenses.

#2 | Posted by NerfHerder

What nonsense. 9 out of 10 places I eat at are locally owned. One way or another you are going to pay for it.

That said the Credit Card surcharge is driving me nuts. It was built into your pricing for ever (or should have been) and now I have to pay an additional 3% to use my card. Not just Restaurants, oil change places and other places are suddenly charging. I am ready to start busting out the check book on them.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-11 09:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was going to write it is an acronym but, like all things in history, the further back you look the worse it gets. : "The idea that "tip" is an acronym for "to insure prompt service" is an urban legend that has been debunked. The true origins of tipping are rooted in slavery and racism in America.
The word "tip" originated as slang used by criminals over 400 years ago. In the 18th century, a tip was a gratuity given to a servant. The term "to give a gratuity" first appeared in the 18th century.
Some say that the idea of "to insure prompt service" came from a phrase written on the sides of bowls in coffee houses, where patrons could leave money to request prompt service. However, the Oxford English Dictionary says that the story of "tips" meaning "to insure prompt service" is an urban legend. "

#13 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-10-11 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"That said the Credit Card surcharge is driving me nuts. It was built into your pricing for ever (or should have been) and now I have to pay an additional 3% to use my card. Not just Restaurants, oil change places and other places are suddenly charging. I am ready to start busting out the check book on them"

Is this ---- really going on back in the US now too?

#14 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-11 01:13 PM | Reply

And are they charging extra to use debit cards too, or just credit?

#15 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-11 01:14 PM | Reply

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-10 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag: cuck who tips for bad service

You should send me tips for the privilege of reading my awesome posts, you cheapskate.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-11 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I generally tip well.

That said, I do think we need to eliminate the tipping culture in the US. How about if employers simply start paying decent wages?

We, the customers, should not have to reward and/or punish someone's employees. That relationship should be entirely between the employer and their workers.

I frequent a restaurant in Denver that has a no tipping policy. They simply add a 20 percent fee to every check, to be fully distributed among the staff. I've noticed far lower employer turnover at that establishment than most other restaurants that I frequent. And that staff always seems happy and friendly.

US tipping culture is getting out of hand.

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-10-11 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#14 & 15 | Posted by sentinel

Yes and Yes. It really picked up steam this summer.

The other things is a "surcharge" on your bill to help with rising costs - credit or not. They hit me with this one every place we went in Chicago it seemed. Some places let you choose not to pay it - if you can believe that.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-11 02:54 PM | Reply

#4 | Posted by LampLighter

I like that about Europe in general. No rush, great service normally and even better food.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-10-11 02:57 PM | Reply

I always tip no matter what. If I get really exceptional service, I leave at a minimum of 20%, and I usually give it to the server in cash. If the server can't even be bothered to refill my iced tea, I still tip. But usually leave less than a dollar.

I in no way feel obligated to enable a ------ employee.

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-11 03:11 PM | Reply

Whats next tipping politicians and physicians?

#11 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-11 07:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

It got to that point in old Rome. That's why they had the coin clippers.

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-11 03:12 PM | Reply

"And are they charging extra to use debit cards too, or just credit?
#15 | Posted by sentinel"

Why wouldn't they? The bank charges between 1-3% to process the transaction if you use a credit card or debit card. This is not money that the merchant keeps, you are just making the banks rich. I would just prefer them to be transparent - there should be a cash price that is 1-3% less that I would pay because I see no point in giving banks my money as fees on every transaction I make. Dumb credit card users are willing to pay 3% more for the 'convenience' of not carrying cash, it is like a tax on the stupid that has now been applied to everyone.

#24 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-11 07:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm sure some of this has changed with the advent of electronic transactions, but when I was a server, each employee had a minimum of 10% of their sales added to their W2 as tip income whether they made it or not.

For terrible service, I tip 10%, because the server has to pay taxes on that, and I certainly don't expect a server having a lousy day to actually pay the IRS for the privilege of waiting on me. "Bad service" is often beyond the server's control (kitchen issues, short staffed, no colverage for breaks, etc) Don't punish them.

"Black people don't tip"is a racist lie and self fulfilling prophecy. When you treat a customer with disregard, like you don't expect them to tip you, they can tell, and they won't.

#25 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-10-11 08:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#17

That's still a problem.

Prices should be honest. Tacking an extra 20% on when the bill comes is just plain shady.

#26 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-10-11 08:50 PM | Reply

""Black people don't tip"is a racist lie
#25 | Posted by Miranda7"

Take it up with NPR and Cornell University:

www.npr.org
"The average tip from a black customer is about 13 percent of the bill. The average tip from a white customer is about 16.5 percent of the bill," says Dr. Michael Lynn, the study's author.

#27 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-11 09:25 PM | Reply