So, we have a number of people who have committed crimes who are either already detained (generally speaking those that have committed violent crimes) or are released with limits (generally for non-violent crimes).

It is presumable that the new deportation plan will prioritize these people.

So, I ask, how will this be accomplished? How does one square the stated goals with a system wholly inadequate to provide for the administration of this process while also respecting the rights of the people. I'd imagine that even at least some of the hardline immigration opponents would think that people are entitled to due process prior to deportation, that way people being deported meet the stated parameters for deportation.

I would also be curious to know what specific criteria will be used to determine who will be deported. I have heard various things. I have heard the President and VP-Elect state that in their opinion even some legal immigrants (like the Haitians in Springfield OH) are here illegally. I have heard they will deport people regardless of their status including US citizens. I have heard plans to ignore their rights.

Who is here legally and who is not? Who will make the determination? What rights' protections will be afforded each individual?

Then there is this:

Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

This is birthright citizenship. The president elect has in the past and has promised in the future to attempt to remove this right. And to be perfectly clear this includes children and adults who have known no other home and may have lived here for decades.

He has used the justification that the immigrants are an invading force (thus his violent rhetoric describing immigrants-despite the fact that the VAST number of immigrants are not criminals whatsoever-with the exception of possible criminality of entering illegally-asylum being an obvious exception to criminality).

Thus, it is very likely he will attempt to deny US citizens of their birthright citizenship as they are an 'invading force'.

So, we could have the end goal of removing 10s of millions of people (those are the President Elects figures) subject to deportation including people here legally or with birthright citizenship being stripped from them.

Is this what you voted for?

Can you explain how something of this magnitude could be accomplished without massive human misery? In 2017 the former president separated around 5,000 children from their parents and the outrage was enormous. We are talking several magnitudes worse in the number of people. We are talking 10s of thousands of images like the jackbooted thugs pointing a gun at Elian Gonzalez (a child) cowering in a closet.

Do you not believe it will happen? Do you not believe the misery will occur? Do you want the misery?

Then there is the threat of this article. The proposed head of this deportation is threatening to keep funding appropriated by Congress from the states. If that is not a usurpation of Congress' power I don't know what is.

BTW that is yet another of the president elect's plans-Impoundment-LOOK IT UP>

All good questions. We will need a huge federal bureaucracy to write all the procedures and implement the policy. So, instead of DOGE the first order of business for the Trump administration will be to expand the federal footstep.

#2 | Posted by mattm a

They already exist. Well within the existing framework. There is a whole process to detain, process, try and deport or grant asylum to undocumented immigrants. The problem exists because there is a massive backlog to processing the cases, because the border bill was scuttled.

The current framework may change dramatically if some of what has been promised occurs including ignoring legal immigrants (asylum seekers, those with temporary protected status) as those will necessarily be extra legal or if they just grab people and fly them to another country-a blatant disregard for their basic rights.

a very, very powerful weapon that the Democrats, when they're in power, use against Republican administrations, state and local, all the time

Did he provide any examples of that?

#3 | Posted by REDIAL

Of course not, because he lives in the fever dream swamps of right wing grievance politics.

FTA

Trump transition team spokesperson Karoline Leavitt has also said the president-elect "will marshal every federal and state power necessary to institute the largest deportation operation of illegal criminals, drug dealers, and human traffickers in American history while simultaneously lowering costs for families."

Like, ummm, what?

Here is some advice, when someone speaks to you like this, they are lying-full stop.

As an aside, what this statement actually says is that they will deport criminals, drug dealers and human traffickers while making crime, drugs and human trafficking cost less for American families.

"I'll say this: President Trump has made it clear, we're going to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats right out of the gate [because] they pose the most danger to this country. What governor or mayor doesn't want public safety threats and national security threats out of their neighborhoods, out of their communities?" Homan said Sunday.

"That's their number one responsibility. So you can hate Trump all you want, but you gotta love your community more than you hate President Trump," he added.

And this is the tell at what their game is.

They are posing a nonsensical choice. Protest the removal of the worst of the worst and you are anti-American. That will justify their use of force against those protestors which will justify further and harsher deportation

When the reality of the situation is that there are no public safety threats or national security threats that are being ignored. That is an out and out lie.

The reality is that this incoming administration can either respect the rights of people OR they can do mass deportation, they CANNOT do both.

And to be clear the rights of the people extend FAR broader than the nasssty criminals and nassssty national security threats.

Danni raises another great point.

Many of the Central and South American countries' economies rely on money sent home by the migrant workers. Not only will the people deported have no work when they return home (thus taxing their social safety nets), those countries' economies will be seriously hit, causing a stronger incentive for migrants to come back to America for work.

And yet ANOTHER side effect of mass deportation

Immigration officials have avoided arresting parents or students at schools. Since 2011, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has operated under a policy that immigration agents should not arrest or conduct other enforcement actions near "sensitive locations," including schools, hospitals and places of worship. Doing so might curb access to essential services, U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas wrote in a 2021 policy update.

But the Heritage Foundation's policy roadmap for Trump's second term, Project 2025, calls for rescinding the guidance on "sensitive places." Trump tried to distance himself from the proposals during the campaign, but he has nominated many who worked on the plan for his new administration, including Tom Homan for "border czar."