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Searing statement from the ABA accuses the Trump administration of failing to respect the law and Congress.

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The ABA condemns recent remarks questioning the legitimacy of courts and judicial review. Read the full statement: www.americanbar.org/news/abanews ...

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-- American Bar Association (@abaesq.bsky.social) February 11, 2025 at 4:04 PM

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See? This is why Trump stiffs his lawyers all the time, they hate him!

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-11 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


This is why Trump stiffs his lawyers all the time, they hate him!
#1 | POSTED BY CORKY

Nation of Litigation!

The rise of the Lawyers, is whats wrong with America. So this makes sense.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-12 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not to worry.

This will all blow over and everything will be fine.

Just you wait and see.

#3 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-02-12 10:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

The rise of the Lawyers, is whats wrong with America. So this makes sense.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut

Moronic s&^%bags like you are what's wrong with this country.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-12 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#4 | Posted by jpw

Odorous is bound t' be one 'a them ferrin agitators you's always hearin' about on th' FOX news...

#5 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-02-12 11:35 AM | Reply

We don't need no stinking lawyers to learn us bout no Constytushun we got Fox News hosts to learn us everthang we needs to know! It should be noted here that we have posters here THd s from Trump Univercity!

#6 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-12 01:48 PM | Reply

Co-equal branches where the courts somehow always supersede the other 2 branches on virtually everything. Make it make sense.

#7 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-02-12 02:54 PM | Reply

Co-equal branches where the courts somehow always supersede the other 2 branches on virtually everything. Make it make sense.

#7 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-02-12 02:54 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court that established the principle of judicial review, meaning that American courts have the power to strike down laws and statutes they find to violate the Constitution of the United States. Decided in 1803, Marbury is regarded as the single most important decision in American constitutional law.[1][2] It established that the U.S. Constitution is actual law, not just a statement of political principles and ideals. It also helped define the boundary between the constitutionally separate executive and judicial branches of the federal government.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-02-12 03:00 PM | Reply

" Marbury v. Madison. This is a key principle that is taught in the first year of law school."

Trump was and still is too stupid to get into law school.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-12 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

An industry dominated by Liberals upset by Republican President's actions. Checks out.

#10 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-02-12 07:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Death to Nazis.

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-12 09:56 PM | Reply

Who has standing in this case?

I think only the Congress does, no?

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-12 10:32 PM | Reply

Who has standing in this case?

What case? This is the ABA pointing out the effects of the Buffoon's stupid.

Btw, the ABA is not the "legal profession's U.S. governing body." It's basically a trade association. The only thing is governs is its members. I dropped mine in the nineties when I got tired of reading journal articles about dei issues instead of legal issues. Lawyers are governed by their state bar associations not the ABA.

#13 | Posted by et_al at 2025-02-12 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A big part of Putin's war on the world is bot-farms. One wonders how many of the useful idiots posting for Putin on this site (and other sites) are actually on his payroll. Saudi Arabia does the same $#!+. And Trump's disembowelling the government and filling it with loyalist lackeys, just like North Korea

#14 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-02-13 11:25 AM | Reply

How many military divisions does the bar command? None? Anyway...

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-02-13 08:12 PM | Reply

How many military divisions does the bar command? None? Anyway...

#15 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2025-02-13 08:12 PM | REPLY

That's pretty seig heil of you

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-13 08:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re: #16 Truthhurts

Might makes right, amirite? /s

#17 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-02-13 08:25 PM | Reply

How many military divisions does the bar command? None? Anyway...

Strange that your response to the ABA commenting on legal issues, dead in the middle of their wheelhouse, is military divisions.

I bet you think the way to "improve the country is kill all the lawyers." Although that Shakespearean scene doesn't mean what you think it does.

#18 | Posted by et_al at 2025-02-13 11:27 PM | Reply

Et Al,

I can conjure up a number of jokes about the benefit of killing lawyers and you'd probably find them humorous.

While I think we are an overly litigious society, I do fall back on one adage - everyone hates lawyers until they need one.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-13 11:51 PM | Reply

Here's a tissue.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-14 12:02 AM | Reply

... until they need one.

Then they want a really good one. The kind that can take down the Buffoon's stupid. The kind from Shakespeare's scene.

#21 | Posted by et_al at 2025-02-14 01:00 AM | Reply

How many military divisions does the bar command? None? Anyway...

#15 | Posted by visitor_

How much stupid s*&^ are you full of? A metric ton.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-14 01:04 AM | Reply

Excuse me. The kind feared in Shakespeare's scene.

#23 | Posted by et_al at 2025-02-14 01:06 AM | Reply

An industry dominated by Liberals upset by Republican President's actions. Checks out.

#10 | Posted by Bluewaffles

Any industry that's dominated by duhhhhh LiBrULz!! requires an actual brain.

Of course, they're against POTUS' bulls*&^,

If you weren't such a worthless sack of s(*& you'd understand that and wouldn't be so butthurt by it.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-14 01:07 AM | Reply

Strange that your response to the ABA commenting on legal issues, dead in the middle of their wheelhouse, is military divisions.

How else do you think those s*&^&stains envision a solidification of their power?

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-14 01:10 AM | Reply

Or, at the very least, the preferred mechanism for taking vengeance on those they think kept the life they feel entitled to from them?

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-14 01:12 AM | Reply

Clearly, there is no legal precedent for the executive branch to do a lot of what its done. Congress oversees of these agencies that are being storm-troopered by DOGE and close without due process. If a president wants to disestablish any one of them, he would in neatly all xases need Congress to make that happen.

What is unclear is whether DOGE, an unauthorized Executive Branch creation is legally empowered to do anything with congressionally established departments or agencies. Further, Congress has the sole power to appropriating funds to government's departments and their agencies. So, could the president legally create and fund and empower something like DOGE?

On the surface, it seems that the Jan. 20 Executive Order that created DOGE www.whitehouse.gov is legal even though DOGE appropriates to itself all of the funds previously appropriated to the executive branch's US Digital Service (USDS) agency, because the Executives Order simply renames and repurposes USDS.

This is where DOGE's legality is questionable. The replacement of the Congressionally approved and funded USDS should be legally challenged on the grounds that the mission of DOGE is incredibly different from USDS's, which was to make federal agencies' software and internet systems more customer-friendly and effective. agencies This isn't Trump's Executive Order's purpose for DOGE. What DOGE is doing is almost certainly not what any previous Congress appropriated budget funds to USDS to do.

But since the previous Congress only promised to fund government under a continuing resolution, does the Executive Branch have power to repurpose USDS in the current fiscal year( FY) and then bet that the final FY-2025 budget bill will appropriate USDS's previously authorized funding to the EO created replacement - DOGE.

Congress could challenge the misappropriation of USDS's funding and de-facto disestablishment of USDS with an entirely repurposed agency. But would the current (Trump-cowering) GOP-dominated Congress stand up to Trump when it finally approves a FY-2025 budget bill?

It probably won't. But Congress pass an Omnibus spending bill and that Project 2025 creators like and that Trump will sign into law. So the only ways to erase DOGE from existence will be either: 1) explicit action by Congress to require DOGE to restore USDS's original mission functions for it to be funded (fat chance!); or 2) for the courts to determine that DOGE is a misappropriation of funds specifically intended to carryout the mission of USDS. Could a Dem caucus file such a lawsuit without some GOP support? Probably, but a) could Congress's GOP majority then retroactively pass a law approving the demise of USDS's mission and the appropriation of 2025 funds to DOGE's mission? Probably, and this is DEFINITELY what the Democratic leadership must force the GOP caucus into doing.

So, if a FY 2025 budget law is passed that misses the step to retroactively repurpose USDS's funds to serve DOGE's specifically & legally delineated purposes, call your senators & Congress members and insist that the administration be sued for misappropriating federal budget monies. It could eventually force Congress to vote on DOGE's new mission, which probably would not erase DOGE, but it would force it to be created legally by Congress and give Congress a say in its mission and give Congress oversight over USDS's successor entity.

#27 | Posted by Augustine at 2025-02-14 05:26 AM | Reply

Clearly, there is no legal precedent for the executive branch to do a lot of what its done. Congress oversees of these agencies that are being storm-troopered by DOGE and summarily closed without due process. If a president wants to disestablish any one of them, he would in nearly all cases need Congress to make that happen.

What is unclear is whether DOGE, an unauthorized Executive Branch creation is legally empowered to do anything with congressionally established departments or agencies. Congress has the sole power to appropriate funds to departments and their agencies. So, could any president legally create and fund and empower something like DOGE?

#28 | Posted by Augustine at 2025-02-14 05:33 AM | Reply

Superficialky, it seems that the Jan. 20 Executive Order that created DOGE (www.whitehouse.gov) is legal even though DOGE takes for itself all the funds previously appropriated to the executive branch's US Digital Service (USDS) agency, because the first paragraphs imply this to be an organizational name change.

This is where DOGE's legality is questionable. The replacement of the Congressionally approved and funded USDS should be legally challenged on the grounds that the mission of DOGE is incredibly different from USDS's, which was to make federal agencies' software and internet systems more customer-friendly and effective. This isn't Trump's Executive Order's purpose for DOGE. What DOGE is doing is almost certainly not what any previous Congress appropriated budget funds to USDS to do.

#29 | Posted by Augustine at 2025-02-14 05:41 AM | Reply

Since the previous Congress ended its session under a continuing resolution, does this Executive Branch have power to repurpose USDS's mission and to use USDS's previously authorized funding?

Congress could challenge the misappropriation of USDS's funding and de-facto disestablishment of USDS with an entirely repurposed agency. But would the current (Trump-cowering) GOP-dominated Congress stand up to Trump when it finally approves a FY-2025 budget bill?

#30 | Posted by Augustine at 2025-02-14 05:49 AM | Reply

Congress will likely eventually pass an Omnibus spending bill and that Project 2025's creators will generally like and that Trump will sign into law.

So the only ways to erase DOGE from existence would include either: 1) explicit action by Congress to require DOGE to retake USDS's original mission in order for DOGE to be funded in this fmFY (fat chance!); or 2) for the courts to determine that DOGE is a misappropriation of funds specifically intended to carryout the mission of USDS. Could a Dem caucus file such a lawsuit without some GOP support? Probably, Congress's GOP majority might then retroactively pass a law approving the demise of USDS's mission and the reappropriation of 2025 funds to DOGE's mission? This is DEFINITELY what the Democratic leadership must force the GOP caucus into doing.

Why? Because, if a FY 2025 budget law is passed that misses the step to retroactively repurpose USDS's funds to serve DOGE's specifically & legally delineated purposes, call your senators & Congress members and insist that the administration be sued for misappropriating federal budget monies. It could eventually force Congress to vote on DOGE's new mission, which probably would not erase DOGE, but it would force it to be created legally by Congress and give Congress a say in its mission and give Congress oversight over USDS's successor entity.

#31 | Posted by Augustine at 2025-02-14 05:56 AM | Reply

Normal conclusion of Citizens United. Going to be interesting how this plays out.

#32 | Posted by fresno500 at 2025-02-14 09:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump Attacking Constitution and Rule of Law

"I will abide by the courts ruling"
~Trump

He didn't say I have a pen and a phone did he?

What is everyone hand wringing about?

#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-14 11:33 AM | Reply

does this Executive Branch have power to repurpose USDS's mission and to use USDS's previously authorized funding?

He didn't repurpose it.

USDS was about making the government more efficient using computers. Obama ran on cutting waste.
m.youtube.com

Why are Lumpers arguing against saving money? I mean I understand why the apparatchik are upset, the grifters will lose money.

But why would a poster here on the DR be upset by it?

Its a losing argument to oppose it, the better option is be like Microsoft, embrace and extend.

#34 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-14 11:40 AM | Reply

What is unclear is whether DOGE, an unauthorized Executive Branch creation is legally empowered to do anything with congressionally established departments or agencies. Congress has the sole power to appropriate funds to departments and their agencies. So, could any president legally create and fund and empower something like DOGE?

#28 | Posted by Augustine

The answer here is a clear NO.

Probably is Congress under the current sycophantic Jamestown level GOP is sleeping on its oversight job even more than they were on their oversight of Congressionally created agencies.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-14 11:44 AM | Reply

Clearly, there is no legal precedent for the executive branch to do a lot of what its done.

What has it done exactly? Investigated the executive branches own books?

Didn't Clinton offer a buyout option? Eventually 370,000 Fed employees left the federal government?

What has Trump done that is "new"?

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-14 11:44 AM | Reply

"I will abide by the courts ruling"
~Trump

He didn't say I have a pen and a phone did he?

What is everyone hand wringing about?

#33 | Posted by oneironaut

Because we're not idiots being "fooled" by Trump for the millionth time.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-14 11:44 AM | Reply

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