The charter doesn't call for the genocide of any people.
It calls for an end of an oppressive State.

"Reread the preamble."

The Preamble doesn't matter in our Charter.
Does it matter in theirs?

"All I'm saying is the response to every single offer has been the same: Our counter offer is to kill you, kill your family, and absorb any and all of your assets."

That's the same offer both sides are making.

Israel forced Israel to exist, the Palestinians didn't do that.

All the problems in Israel and Palestinians can be traced back to The West creating a European Colony followed by a massive influx of foreigners.

"The original Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and described its members to be god-fearing Muslims raising the banner of Jihad (armed struggle) in "the face of the oppressors." The charter defines the struggle to be against the Jews and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in all of former Mandatory Palestine, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel."

This is the same thing Ben Gvir and Likud and the Zionists are selling, to the Jews. It's called Eretz Yisrael with no signs of letting up.

They're dissolving Gaza as I type this.

They've been dissolving the West Bank since Bill Clinton played his saxophone on the Arsenio Hall show.

It's really weird that smart people can't acknowledge this simple fact.

"Again, no heroes. Just an intractable situation without an answer until Hamas is out of the picture"

No answer until Zionism is out of the picture.

"instead of, say, education and infrastructure."

Israel would just destroy the schools and the infrastructure.

It's what they did in 1948 and it's what they do in 2025.

Because that's how ethnic cleansing works.

Danforth, you can't possibly be so clueless you think Netanyahu believes there is a possibility for a negotiated solution to achieve Likud's expansionist goals.

Stop defending the terrorist apartheid state of Israel.

"Israel largely left them alone"

Only because Israel thought they were safe.

Israel was wrong, and it led to the largest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.

"Israel largely left them alone"

But now, Israel has killed 50,000 civilians.

How does that even address Hamas, Danforth?

Tell us how that has anything to do with the billionaires who run Hamas from a thousand miles away.

Explain it, since you're up here justifying it.

"October sure showed them, huh?"

It showed them genocide is the only solution to the problem they caused when they created Israel.

"For the record, I believe both sides' leaders should be tried for war crimes."

For the record, I've never once heard you condemn any action taken by Israel, but maybe I just wasn't listening.

I never heard you say Israel should withdraw from the West Bank, West Jerusalem, Gaza, Golan Heights, and southern Lebanon, and return to 1967 borders.

I never heard you condemn Israeli killing with the same gusto you condemn Hamas killing.

I never heard you say the Israeli charter is just as much a hurdle to peace as the Hamas charter.

I never once heard you say Hamas only came into existence as a reaction to the ethnic cleansing being carried out by Israel.

But maybe I just wasn't listening, Danforth.

"Hamas is totally wrong in this."

Wrong in what, resisting the European colonizers?

You know where Zionism was born, Boaz? Europe.
You know who the first leaders of Israeli government were born? Europe?

European Zionists are colonizers.

"Israel does too much to help Hamas"

Israel once supported Hamas in the early days in an attempt to weaken the PLO. Classic divide and conquer move.

But you don't think Israel can do anything wrong, including firing on the USS Liberty.

Ben Gurion: "We Must Expel the Arabs and Take Their Place"

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Ethnic Cleansing.

On the eve of the UN Partition Plan Resolution of 29 Nov 1947, according to the report, there were 219 Arab villages and four Arab, or partly Arab, towns in the area designated for the Jewish state, with a total Arab population of 340,000 Arab residents. By June 1, 180 of these towns had been evacuated, with 239,000 Arabs fleeing the areas of the Jewish state. A further 152,000 Arabs, from 70 villages and three towns (Jaffa, Jenin, and Acre), had fled their homes in the areas designated for Palestinian Arab statehood in the Partition Resolution. Thus by June 1, according to the report, the refugee total was 391,000, with an error of 10 to 15%.

"Palestine will be free from the river to the sea." It is a refrain familiar to most Americans by now. It can be heard on college campuses, at Black Lives Matters protests, and all across social media. Ten words that that describe a liberated nation and a territory with clearly delineated boundaries. Yet the meaning of these words is fraught with ambiguity and controversy.

Does it mean that a free Palestine throughout what is now Israel and the Occupied Territories will be a democratic state with a robust civil society, where every individual lives in security, and is equal before the law? Or does it imply the creation of a state called "Palestine," a Palestine that is Judenrein, where Jews will literally be chased into the river and the sea? The slogan, in and of itself, can certainly be interpreted to mean either, along with various shades in between.

I don't think Israel needs to be dismantled. It just needs to stop ethnic cleansing.

Like is the problem, just as Hamas is the other side of the same problem.

But the fact remains. Had Israel never been forced into the world through violence and ethnic cleansing, there would be nothing for Islamic Resistance to resist.

Any honest conversation about Hamas needs to recognize that Zionism came first, by nearly a century. The Muslim Brotherhood was a reaction to Israel, and Hamas was a reaction to the Israeli occupation in 1987.

Because this didn't start on Oct 7:

Likud Party Votes Against Palestinian State
May 13, 2002

"It is clear now that we cannot reach any kind of solution at all with the Palestinians," Netanyahu told the delegates.

"Maybe you were too busy avoiding my repeated question of how you'd respond to a negotiator who has just answered your LBF offer with a quoting of the Preamble, for the 399th time in a row since 1948."

What negotiation?

Hamas is a reaponse to Israel abandoning the two state solution.

Why can't you accept that truth?

"how you'd respond to a negotiator who has just answered your LBF offer with a quoting of the Preamble, for the 399th time in a row since 1948.""

There was an Israeli offer?
What was the Israeli offer?
Did the offer grant Palestine equal status as Israel?
You're lying if you say yes.

Israel doesn't want peace. Zionism never wanted peace. Zionism is a philosophy of conquest, military conquest if needs be. It's getting what it wanted.

The fact that there is "Islamic Resistance" to the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people by the European Zionists is not really a black mark on the Palestinian people, any more than the Warsaw Uprising in a black mark on the Polish Jews who died. And like the Polish Jews, the Palestinians will meet the same fate.

"Maybe you were too busy avoiding my repeated question of how you'd respond to a negotiator who has just answered your LBF offer with a quoting of the Preamble, for the 399th time in a row since 1948."

Why would Israel enter into a plan that called for two States, knowing full well the Two State Solution would never be accepted by the very people they are Ethnically Cleansing from Palestine?

Because the Zionists never intended in pursuing a Two State Solution, you ------- -------!

You've pulled 77 years of wool over your eyes and you think you're being rational.

Yigal Amir gunned down Yitzhak Rabin for daring to respond to the same Palestinians negotiators you keep trying to browbeat me with.

I'm not sure why you can't connect those dots.

But the fact that Israel was born into war was Israel's choice, and Israel's choice alone.

And just like Putin, they could stop at any time.

And just like Putin, they have no real reason to.