If public schools don't reverse the downward trend in performance then doing the same thing is going to be challenged.

This is what voucher support is about. Yes, Musk would benefit but the focus is on families trapped in poor schools and have a way out.

I get the reasons against vouchers but it's going to be a more hot debate because it's going to lure left wingers over to the right if THEY can benefit from it.

Eventually this is going to be the excuse ... .."at this point, we're willing to try anything"

-Oligarchs buy politicians to write favorable tax laws for them

Yes but I don't think oligarchs care about school vouchers.

-give them Gov Contracts,

What bothers you corky? That our government gives contracts at all or who wins those contracts?

Seriously ... ..what part of that system would you change and how?

You bitch day and night that our government needs way more money. Fair enough. But has it occurred to you that if you got your way and we expanded the size of the government ... ... how would that impact the number and size of government contracts? Oligarchs lined up at the trough.

Do you want more of what we have or less of what we have?

This is true (Musk getting that money) but it's not a good reason.

Let me put it another way, experts in public education have fought against vouchers forever and I understand why.

How long before some of them start to say "we tried everything else, we're willing to consider anything"?

-The US school systems don't need more money. They need to teach.

It's being spent like shit. No question.

And I should clarify my point. Oligarchs might support vouchers and choice but not for themselves personally. The vouchers they might receive.

Which is Talarico's point.

And it works because look who it lathers up here.

-They aren't being 'won' they are being bought with bribes.

Which ones?

All of them?

There are hundreds of thousands of contracts with tens of thousands of different contractors.

It's a big system. How much of it is won due to "bribes"?

-Except for fully funding pre-natal care and pre-K development.

I'm sure there is more they haven't done besides that.

Education experts can speak for themselves.

I'm just concerned that's what they'll eventually say after they've said "more money" enough with no measurable improvement.

-Try not to be a 1Nut... one is more than enough.

I was about to tell Danforth not to be another corky but you sort of stole my thunder.

I'm full of shit, of course. I wasn't about to do that.

-the reality of political donations (ie; Bribes) being used by Oligarchs to purchase their own lawmakers and their own laws and Gov contracts.

Of course I realize that.

But you want more of it, seemingly.

I've asked plenty of reasonable questions......of which you can't remotely muster up the ability to answer.

just "oligarchs bribe others" which is true but you don't know how much or where or who. It's just an abstraction to you.

And where does understanding that get you any closer to a solution?

Oligarchs do what they can and when the trough is in the hundreds of billions.......WTF do you expect?

What do you want? (I know what you want....but I want you to have the balls to say so for yourself)

Put yourself in the shoes of a superintendent or even the city&county government, and state legislature (specifically legislators from the worst performing school districts)

You're staring at years (hell decades) of continual poor performance....worsening performance actually.

At the same time, you've argued for money to be directed here and there and firmly said no to vouchers.

And you give a shit about kids and getting them the best education you can. Sooner or later, they're going to say "we've tried everything else......I don't know how to say no to it".

"it doesn't mean subsidizing a school that is religious based and has as its base an established religion."

so you're saying there is a difference here between a religious based school and a non-religion based private school?

I don't think that's what you mean. A secular private school is the same threat to a public school with regards to vouchers. Don't stand on principal you clearly don't have.

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Talarico should be saying that instead of dramatizing an insignificant benefit to Musk.

Has Talarico pointed out what you just did? called conservatives racists who don't want black and brown children learning?

-racists who don't want black and brown children learning?

my point is that eventually liberals are going to see vouchers as a way to get some black and brown kids a better education.

"Public schools are broken because conservatives don't want to support black and brown children learning.
Racism is the root cause of why America is failing."

Are there any leading democrats who say that? Not in DC necessarily....but on a state level?

I get Talarico can't say anything like that right now because that will turn off the middle and he can't afford that right now but incumbents?

Hell, superintendents? school boards?

"Public schools are broken because conservatives..."

I had to remind Danforth recently of something he was conveniently forgetting....that democrats win elections in this country.

In many many horrible school districts, the school board and ultimately the administration (hired by the school board) are represented entirely by liberals and minorities.

It doesn't seem to matter in any meaningful way that democrats win elections. The outcome is still unsatisfactory and it's not their fault.

-Perhaps you missed that part.

LOL

I'll stop asking you to prove you have a room IQ

It suck's when I interrupt your pity party

-Everyone is dumber from reading your posts.

You're half right.