Monday, July 29, 2024

Venezuela's Maduro Declared Winner in Disputed Vote

President Nicols Maduro has won Venezuela's presidential election, according to partial results published by the electoral council.

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The "Opposition" are US stooges. Juan Guido first in line.

Nicolas Maduro won Fair.

The US just doesn't like it.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-29 12:50 AM

Sounds like the Dotard, contesting results.

But they're not just bad losers... because, Soshulism is BAD.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-29 12:52 AM

Exit polls had the challenger winning by a wide margin.

#3 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-29 10:14 AM

Hillary was a Sure Thing in 2016.

So?

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-29 10:23 AM

You're a Russian stooge. That's "so".

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-07-29 10:48 AM

"But they're not just bad losers... because, Soshulism is BAD."

Well, I think it's more like "authoritarianism is bad." Although Bolivarian Socialism is inseparable from authoritarianism.

It's like a left-wing Project 2025.

#6 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-29 11:11 AM

LMD is a better troll than FootPoser. Poser doesn't even try to put any effort into it.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-29 11:26 AM

The exit polls in 2016 were in line with the popular vote. Clinton never got above 49%. The exit polls in Venezuela had Maduro's challenger winning 70% of the vote.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-29 03:51 PM

LIve protests: www.youtube.com

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-29 03:51 PM

Ya know... it's their country... let them run it as they wish... mind your own beeswax.

Hillary was a Sure Thing in 2016.
So?

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-29 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag MEH

Clinton got more votes than your boy... and considering how badly he effed his presidency up.... and his status on job performance way down there at the bottom... his losing the popular vote (both times) is going to be an interesting footnote on this leg of our democratic process... which is always evolving.

Scholars are going to love it.

He will lose the popular vote this time as well... and spend the rest of his life being a victim.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-29 06:46 PM

I hate Trump. You've got my whole political worldview wrong.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-29 08:40 PM

"Ya know... it's their country... let them run it as they wish... mind your own beeswax."

Not sure who this is directed at, but the way it's being run has caused a mass migration of refugees that has been destabilizing many places in South and North America.

#12 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-29 10:02 PM

Not sure who this is directed at, but the way it's being run has caused a mass migration of refugees that has been destabilizing many places in South and North America.

#12 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2024-07-29 10:02 PM | REPLY. MMHHMMM

What about it?
What is the most terrible thing about that?

Please remember I live in a country where its citizens can give their kids an AK as a bonding experience because the kid had"mental problems" and they want a bonding experience... and you want me to worry about people who are less likely to commit crimes than my fellow citizens?

I live in a country that was INTENTIONALLY colonized by criminals and felons... from England... true story. There were also those desperate for change. Somehow it all worked out.

#13 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-30 04:38 AM

800+ billion "defense" budget.

#14 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-07-30 05:42 AM

800+ billion "defense" budget.

#14 | POSTED BY FRESNO500 AT 2024-07-30 05:42 AM | FLAG:

Wow... Thats a lot of resources...there are 8 billion people on the planet what would happen if you divvied that up between all of us rather than use it to keep people in their place?

Nah the rich like to keep us at each other's throats.

#15 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-30 05:51 AM

"Nah the rich like to keep us at each other's throats."

"Ya know... it's their country... let them run it as they wish... mind your own beeswax."

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 07:23 AM

Voting machines can't be trusted. Why do we or others use them? Speed of outcome is not important. A truly auditable outcome is most important. We can never give the establishment power over our elections. See BLACK BOX VOTING.

blackboxvoting.org

We need eligible voters, confirmed identities, voting only once, Mail in ballots have only complicated above. Democracies are lost when elections are not honest and can.not be audited.

#17 | Posted by Robson at 2024-07-30 07:51 AM

Nnnnnkay... let's be stingy spend it on whatever... bombs booze broads sofas... and people will still come across the ever-changing borders and territories just as they have since our species migrated out of Africa... because people will always go where they think their opportunities are better. Just as the Criminals who colonized the Americas and about every other country France, England, and Spain laid claim to for 3 or 4 centuries did.

Just in my lifetime... US borders changed twice... could change again before I leave the planet.

No one owns the earth.

#18 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-30 07:55 AM

Our attitudes about menial labor is deeply rooted in our slave history.

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-30 08:03 AM

Your comments appear to be nothing more than a deflection for Maduro.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 08:14 AM

Your comments appear to be nothing more than a deflection for Maduro.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 08:14 AM | Reply: YAWN

Really? Well we do have some things in common being born out of European colonization... which was financed on the booty garnered by the slaughter of Jews and Muslims... and founded on law-abiding slave traders and resettled felons from their country of origin.

I really have no opinion of him... is your objection he's said to be a socialist and you're afraid of pinkos?

Communist revolutions arise out of economic inequality... every time... it's an easy fix.

I laugh because Capitalism and Socialism have a very symbiotic relationship in the business world and global economy that has made both systems a whole lot of money.
The capitalists depend on cheap (slave) labor and the communists count on the capitalist's endless supply of cash.

Grow up

#21 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-07-30 11:12 AM

Speed of outcome is not important.

#17 | Posted by Robson

HA HA HA HA HA

That's not what Republicans said in 2020.

"STOP COUNTING THE VOTES!"

But lets face it. This is an excuse for Red States to make urban voters wait 8 hours in line to vote.

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-07-30 11:12 AM

Chvez was good for Venezuela, and good for the world. It was great seeing him calling out Shrubby for war crimes. Maduro is just a dictator, and a bad one at that, he has no idea how to run a country.

That said, the US is not helping with the idiotic sanctions. They've had the obvious effect of forcing Venezuela to cozy up to Russia, which is NOT something we need right now. The best thing we could do is end them immediately.

#23 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-07-30 11:58 AM

And apparently an accented "a" doesn't work here.

"Chavez" isn't really correct, but it's the best you get.

#24 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-07-30 12:00 PM

It gets stripped when posting.

Speaking of Chavez, the protesters just tore down one of his statues like he's Saddam.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-30 01:58 PM

They don't necessarily display their happiness.

Finns have a reputation for being the most staid populations in the Western world.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-07-30 03:39 PM

"Really? Well we do have some things in common"

Nice to know you focus on what you have in common with him.

Now do Putin, Xi, Kim and Khan.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 06:22 PM

If Venezuela was not subject to general Sanctions that destroyed their economic base they would be fine. Venezuela is sitting on a sea of Oil.

If they could trade freely.. they would be fine.

Like Cuba would be as well.

The poverty in Venezuela is not from Socialism, it is from Western Sanctions against them.

Cuba too.

The American policy is to destroy their economy and then say that Socialism is why it failed, but that's a damn Lie.

China has Socialism. Their economy is now bigger than ours.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-30 07:02 PM

Getting fired up on politics doesn't mean you know how to run an drilling rig and can afford to replace those that do, with people that have no experience. They killed their own economy.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-30 07:11 PM

That's an educational challenge. It could be surmounted.

It's not socialism that's causing the economic collapse.

It's SANCTIONS.

It's closing the Western economy to them with targeted Malice as a way to discredit and remove the current Political system.

Maduro has been subject to this for many years.

The poverty in Venezuela is a consequence of American Policy.

They are being Stepped on as a matter of long standing policy, like Cuba too.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-30 07:20 PM

Lots of countries have socialist systems, even 'western' ones. Trying to claim we hate their socialism is gooberism on the same level as they hate our freedumb.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 07:35 PM

It's no wonder Putin apologists are also shilling for Maduro. Venezuela is also aiming to annex over half of one of their neighboring countries.

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 07:41 PM

What does it say when America has become a place where freedom of thought or disagreement is no longer acceptable?

Loss of jobs, being black listed and all sorts of nasty things if you dont smile and accept EVERYTHING.

Im a little long in the tooth but isnt this what we put on communist countries in the past?

Our veterans fought for this state of affairs?

#33 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-07-30 08:32 PM

You slipped out of character again. Or posted from the wrong handle?

#34 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 09:55 PM

"The "Opposition" are US stooges. Juan Guido first in line.

Nicolas Maduro won Fair.

The US just doesn't like it.
#1 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER"

There you are again posting lies and propaganda you lousy rotten stooge.
I live in a Latin country with almost 1 million Venezuelans have entered undocumented many tens of thousands of them and they would like to have a word with you. They tell me what's up about their country and it is like nothing that you write. Facts are better than fiction as well over 8 million Venezuelans spread out in Latin America that were not allowed to vote in this election. Maduro also tossed the opposition campaign manager into prison just because. Chile just cut ties with these -------- over the fake count in this election and Boric the president of Chile is a hard leftist. I have tapes of these Venezuelans crying and screaming in agony from this fake election in my barrio that are pretty sad and I keep telling them to go home and take up arms against these criminals who are not communist but criminals. You just keep spreading your disinformation and someday your karma will catch up with you jerk traitor.

#35 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-07-30 10:09 PM

The effete trolls never met a despot they didn't like.

#36 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-30 10:21 PM

"That said, the US is not helping with the idiotic sanctions. They've had the obvious effect of forcing Venezuela to cozy up to Russia, which is NOT something we need right now. The best thing we could do is end them immediately." DARKVADER

Well, most of your post was correct but Chavez was cozying up to the Russians, Cubans and Chinese durning his tenure. Without their help Maduro would not be able to hold onto power. He really needs to go and when he does Putler will suffer some problems for it and the Chinese too will have more issues getting that oil. I have taught and played sports with many of my Venezuelan neighbors coming into Santiago, Chile since 2015. The first four years I was teaching engineers, doctors, lawyers and nurses and then the next wave of folks from there were the semi illiterate and many of them are just straight up gangsters who along with the the Colombians have flooded Latin America with weapons(mainly smuggled in via Texas) and Chile never had gun issues before but now every teenager is armed and robbing everyone else. We also now have 38 car jackings per day. Kidnapping for extortion is now a thing and there is even shanty towns that the Haitian immigrants started all over the country with some of them having up to 15,000 people crammed into their makeshift towns within cities. Vigilanteism is all the rage and criminals that get caught by neighborhood people robbing and hurting get serene rapped to telephone poles after a beating and salt poured on their wounds until the cops finally get off their asses and show up. Now, the newer immigrants with their gangs from Venezuela
and Colombia have taken up residence inside the Haitians communities and have their own cemeteries where they bury their kidnap victims of the families that could not pay up the ransom. These people steal the water, electricity and anything not nailed down from the poor Chileans who live in legal housing nearby and Chileans have had it with Venezuelans and Colombian gangster who also have thousands of barber shops all over the country now(eight within two blocks in my barrio alone) where they wash drug money. They also control the migrants who sale stuff on the street by renting them sidewalk space and murder and robe and rape with no thought to the locals and within the migrant communities. Loud all night criminal parties destroy the peace of the neighborhoods and people have become xenophobic with good reason towards them. The congress here has made a new law especailly for these criminals that they catch that attempt to play stupid and have no legal identification to prove who they are so now if they get caught and play that game they stay in jail until they can legally prove who they are and from where they come. Some of the criminals decided to leave but the countries of Peru and Bolivia, which they came through to get to Chile, refuse to let them back in and Maduro refuses the Chilean air force to fly them back into Venezuela after they kick them out. I am an old airborne soldier and tell people we can put parachutes on these deported criminals and drop them off with a strong back breeze into that gawd awful country two hundred at a time from Ecador or Colombia. I will even teach them to land as I am so sick of them. My sister in law has been robbed five times by Venezuelans
and many of my other friends and family also has been robbed and hurt by them. All because Maduro has to stay in power.

#37 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-07-30 10:38 PM

Nicolas Maduro won Fair.

The US just doesn't like it.
#1 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER"

There you are again posting lies and propaganda you lousy rotten stooge.

Effy is a 1000% russian bot.

#38 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-07-31 09:15 AM

Effete is the laziest troll I've ever seen. No matter what the issue is, it always takes the position that the US and 'the west' are bad. Bad if they don't do business with thugs and dictators, bad if they do. Bad if they expand agreements with other countries, but also bad for not inviting an unstable Russia to join NATO immediately after the Cold War. I guess all the problems around the world are fault of 'the west' bogeyman.

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-31 10:14 AM

Most are clearly made worse by the "Western Boogeyman"

Colonialism and Nukes top of the list.

Also Militarism and Aggressive War.

#40 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-31 10:58 AM

Russian trolls who are ignorant of history are unintentionally funny.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-31 12:24 PM

"The poverty in Venezuela is not from Socialism, it is from Western Sanctions against them."

Two sentences ago, you literally made the claim that Venezuela was bad off because the west was preventing it from engaging in capitalism.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-31 12:40 PM

BTW, prior to Chavez, Venezuela had one of the strongest economies in South America. Not so much anymore.

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-31 12:41 PM

prior to Chavez, Venezuela had one of the strongest economies

Was that before all the sanctions?

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-31 12:44 PM

"It's no wonder Putin apologists are also shilling for Maduro. Venezuela is also aiming to annex over half of one of their neighboring countries."

Venezuela is a safe harbor, literally and figuratively, for the pariah nation that few others in the region want anything to do with.

It's been a while, but at one point Russia was courting Columbia to provide them with combat aircraft for their air force. And more importantly...the logistics tail essential to support it. The US did not want to provide them with anything at the time due to Leahy vetting. Columbia still opted not to take Russia's offer.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-31 12:45 PM

"Was that before all the sanctions?"

This was before the Chavez.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-31 12:47 PM

SANCTIONS are the problem. Everything else comes from that.

Socialism doesn't mean isolation and economic strangulation, that would be Sanctions.

The US has used economic strangulation on Cuba and Venezuela to try to force their own way on those countries. It has failed to bring US friendly governments into power.

It's vindictive and counterproductive in every way.

#47 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-31 05:57 PM

Also an act of War on countries too weak to resist effectively.

The US bullies anyone they can. Especially in the Western hemisphere.

Russia... US.... Both are bullies of their neighbors. Both demand total fealty to their demands.

Russia at least is rational about it.

The US has "the Donald". Lol.

Or senile Genocide Joe. Which is less funny.

#48 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-31 06:06 PM

Doesn't even bother to update the script.

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-31 07:15 PM

What script?

Dude you're a Bozo. You don't know what's going on. Obviously.

Opinions are like --------.

#50 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-31 08:18 PM

"SANCTIONS are the problem. Everything else comes from that."

Sanctions didn't turn Venezuela into a failed state. Chavez started the process. Maduro made sure it kept going.

But, by all means, feel free to move to Venezuela. Enjoy some of that socialism you speak so highly of.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-08-01 01:26 AM

North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Iraq before the Bush Invasion, Iran, Yemen.

Countries that are Sanctioned or Worse for just not getting with the "program".

Israel, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Australia,countries that are with the "program".

What is this "program"?

What holds this all together like a bow?

Feckless US foreign policy.

It's actually kind of mysterious how Friends are Selected and Foes identified.

Is it done by committee? Darts?

It's not chosen by human rights commitments, or Democratic government.

Usefulness? Or pure Expedience?

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-08-01 03:19 AM

That's an educational challenge. It could be surmounted.

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-30 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, it's institutional knowledge issue that takes decades to accumulate.

There is no short term scenario where it can be surmounted and have a functional industry when you fire everybody that knows what is going on and replace them with political appointees.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-08-01 09:12 AM

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